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Kalipoli
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.04 18:48:00 -
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Last night I started up a couple of T2 manufacturing jobs, to get my list of needed materials since i didnt have the BPC with me so i typed in the name and linked it, when it opened it was the T2 BPO not the BPC.
What i noticed was that the BPO unresearched at 10% waste is still almost twice as efficient as an invented BPC at -4 -4. Decryptors aside, This means that the invented BPC is close to 20% waste.
I guess my gripe is that CCP should bring this more into balance. Say for instance change the -4 to be 10% waste to make it close to the level of an unresearched BPO.
I believe T2 BPO's have a place in EVE, in fact it would be awesome to have one. At the same time I believe that invention needs a bit of a kick and CCP needs to stop punishing industrialist for inventing. |
Kalipoli
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.04 19:40:00 -
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I understand that there are not many T2 BPO's out there but that still doesn't explain a reasoning behind why Invention of a T2 BPC is so much more inefficient than an unresearched T2 BPO.
The T2 Lottery happened, I accept that i was not around for it and probably wouldnt have gotten one had i been around for it
Im not actually looking to gripe about T2 BPO's, I think that T2 BPO's have a place in this game but the price and availability is out of whack for almost anything in eve.
It isn't really an issue of competing with someone producing my T2 item via BPO vs BPC it is an issue of the invention process being just a little askew in terms of waste. I believe an invented BPC at -4 should be as efficient as the corresponding T2 BP unresearched
The fact that even with the right decryptor the BPC is still not as efficient as the corresponding unresearched BPO. It is the fact that no matter what invention always results in a very inefficient BPC
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Kalipoli
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:03:00 -
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The risk is already there, do you calculate you're invention/datacore losses into the profitability of said item?
I have no problem making profit off the items i invent as well and have had some success with selling invented BPC's for a fair price.
It really isn't a gripe its more of a quandary as to why there is such a disproportional amount of waste in an invented BPC vs a BPO. |
Kalipoli
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.04 20:40:00 -
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Stella. good point.
The change in efficiency would not equate to anything at all other than a decrease in the items across the board but no improvement profit wise.
I guess that answered my question, it is by design and working as intended not to compete with T2 BPO's but instead to keep the market viable.
"Edit - People in general will never stop asking for more, why stop at 10% waste on invented BPC? Next thing ou know people will be asking for positive ME/PE." - If you give a mouse a cookie.
thank you for the good replies. |
Kalipoli
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.04 21:06:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:I see your point. And I certainly would no mind seeing the invention changed so that the ME/PE of the BPC used for the invention influenced the T2 BPC ME/PE.
Considering how much mats are expected to go up this summer it would help to reduce the amount of inflation we will see in T2 production.
Even if it was crazy low like 100 ME gives +1 ME on the T2 invented BPC. researching a BPO to 300 ME could be a worth while investment if it resulted in invented T2 BPC's with ME 0.
I also like that idea, it would help justify over researching BPO's.
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Kalipoli
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:50:00 -
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The game is just fine the way it is. Leave the T2 BPO's, Leave invention the way it is. I make plenty of isk the way the game is currently designed. CCP please just focus on fixing all the UI bugs and leave the whole invention and T2 BPO thing alone.
Close this thread please! |
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