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Anslo
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Anslo on 06/11/2008 15:42:00 I believe I and my fellow pilots have put up with this long enough. Before I continue I will say I am not begging nor am I asking for handouts, but this must be brought to light.
I have been monitoring and noticing a highly steady increase in GTC prices over the last few months. Before the 30 and 90 day GTCs were pulled off the market, general price levels of these GTCs remained constant. 120mil for 30, 250mil for 60 and i believe 500mil for 90, or around this general area.
As of now, 60 day GTC prices have been raised from 450mil 2 months ago, to 500mil last month, and now sellers are asking for 600mil. The isk price of these GTC's are not proportionate to the normal price CCP has set out. So I must ask, just what the hell are you bastards thinking? I do not refer to CCP, I do not refer to those buying the GTCs, I refer to to the sellers gouging their prices needlessly. I have yet to see a viable reason that this little group has to be raising their prices in such an audacious way. Many players cannot afford to use real cash so they rely on isk to do this. Now, players only play to pay for their damn cards, they cannot even afford new ships or equipment.
If this is left unchecked, the players base for this game could potentially and drastically drop, which inevitably will affect market prices in game, which will inevitably lead to a crash where it will cost 100,000 to buy 100 pieces of Uranium M.
Don't let this game go the way the real world did when oil companies needlesly raised their prices for gasoline. We all saw where that lead to, and was nearly disasterous. This GTC price gouging could also lead to disasterous ingame and company effects.
Stop the Price Gouging.
Stop greedy Merchants. *Note* my apologies for the text wall
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:40:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 06/11/2008 15:46:42 Dude...
WALLOFTEXT!!! ARRRGH!!!
Line breaks between paragraphs are your friend. Hit the "edit" link and fix that please.
EDIT: Thanks man. MUCH more readable.
Also, I will have to disagree with your line of reasoning. The reason that prices are so high is due to a dearth of GTC sellers in the market. Once more GTC sellers enter the market, prices will drop. It's basic supply-side economics at play.
Heck, the GTC market is SO sensitive that I'll bet you as little as 5 guys entering the market to sell GTCs could drop the price by 25% without even trying, and by HALF if they actually tried to. Tactical Logistics using the last T1 Frigate hull!
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Bimjo
Caldari Domination. Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:42:00 -
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who the hell are you to tell GTC sellers what their price should be ? If you don't like it then go and pay real cash for a change,instead of the free isk you have made in the game
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Steintz
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:42:00 -
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Suply and demand ?
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Anslo
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:44:00 -
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Edited by: Anslo on 06/11/2008 15:44:16
Originally by: Bimjo who the hell are you to tell GTC sellers what their price should be ? If you don't like it then go and pay real cash for a change,instead of the free isk you have made in the game
I can still afford to pay for isk, as I said I am not begging. But I have been obtaining recent messages and conversation about this problem. I know the beginning group that has already had to leave EVE due to these prices. They simply cannot afford real money And who the hell are you to defend them? One of them perhaps?
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bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: bitters much on 06/11/2008 15:46:39 I¦m the one gauging the GTC prices and drinking your tears while my wallet grows fast.
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Bimjo
Caldari Domination. Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: Bimjo on 06/11/2008 15:46:45
Originally by: Steintz Suply and demand ?
yes correct.
remember when vagabonds were selling for 200 mil ISK ? with a build cost of 50 million(ish) ? now it's all ok for us to have paid 200 mil for a HAC(probably sort of thing OP has made his ISKies on) but when the shoe is on the other foot the whiners invade the forums. I hope GTC prices go even higher
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:48:00 -
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If you're a seller, you will get the most the market and your patience allows.
The only way to "stop" this "pricegouging" is either to have EVERYBODY STOP BUYING at those prices (i.e. some people would either have to quit or start paying cash) or SOME START SELLING much cheaper (then I'd have to ask who would be stupid enough to sell for less than what he could get).
Translation : nothing to see here, move along.
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Plave Okice
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:48:00 -
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Be grateful you even have the option to play the game paying with ISK
I have no sympathy for anyone who doesn't pay to play the game
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Bimjo
Caldari Domination. Sc0rched Earth
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Bimjo on 06/11/2008 15:54:10
Originally by: Anslo Edited by: Anslo on 06/11/2008 15:44:16 And who the hell are you to defend them? One of them perhaps?
yes I am,I sell GTC's when I need iskies,unlike the unemployed who play 23/7/365 and make their billions,I work in RL,buy ISKies,through GTC sales, and play a precious few hours a week(as I have a life outside of EVE)
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Don J
Doom Guard
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:51:00 -
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It's not really gouging unless you're implying some sort of cartel exists. If GTC's get snapped up at 550mil then someone is going to try 560mil & as soon as the next seller sees 560mil GTC's selling he'll try his luck with 570mil.
What you are seeing now is variables moving in the course of reaching equilibrium (which is never achieved).
The only way to force the prices the other way is to vote with your wallet. But as it stands it would seem that demand is still outstripping supply. Hence the prices you see. If people are still happily purchasing at the prices shown, no amount of complaining is going to bring down the price.
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Pilot Abilene
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:54:00 -
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Honestly, you were getting them too cheap in the first place. If anything I think people are starting to realize what their money is worth considering the ridiculous amounts of ISK people make in game with ease.
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sg3s
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.06 15:58:00 -
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You made several mistakes, which makes me unsure of whether this is a legitimate whine or a troll... anyway.
1. 60d timecards did not exist before the change 2. 30d timecard median price was more arround 170m 3. 90d timecard median price was more arround 400m-450m 4. Change is just that, change, which means things, ironically enough, change... The price is also subject to change when things get... well... changed...
Price gauging may occur since there really isn't any rule to prevent this... But no one is restraining anyone from jumping in and start selling cheaper timecards here... So why do you think prices are being kept high? It's because the current prices are what people are willing to pay for the current supplies... Supply and demand 101.
Advocating for banning whine topics like these.
Originally by: Tarminic Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.
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FlameGlow
Legio Octae Rebellion Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:00:00 -
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Get a job and pay with subscription? -1 GTC buyer = slightly better price for everyone else. _____________ I don't care what is nerfed, as long as it's not my "undock" button. |
Raimo
Gallente Wrath of Fenris
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Don J It's not really gouging unless you're implying some sort of cartel exists.
Well that cartel exists, or existed a couple of weeks back when they tried to get me to join their channel and comply to sell at their price...
Mind you, I was selling in the first place because of the insanely good EUR/ISK conversion, couldn't resist... ;)
No proof from me however. I have that dude in my block list but it is just too long for me to be able to go through it and remember who it was.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:03:00 -
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So what do you SUPPOSE a "fair" price should be for a 60-day GTC ?
On one hand, the 60 day-card costs 35$, and that's a given. In-game, most incomes range from the miserable to over 20 mil/hour for somebody with decent experience but not too special. In RL, incomes range from as little as 20 cents to 20$/hour for somebody with decent experience but not too special either.
At the bottom, you could argue a "fair" price would be 40 mil ISK for a 60-day GTC (but the again everybody would be laughing at you), but you could also argue a "fair" price would be 3.5 bil ISK. A more realistic approach would be around 1$/hour and 15 mil ISK/hour, for which you get, oh, what a surprise, 525 mil ISK per GTC.
So I fail to see that "price gouging" you are talking about.
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ghost Goat on 06/11/2008 16:05:42 blame the buyers for this , as long as people keep paying these ridiculous amounts, the prices will keep going up .
if people had balls they would have stop paying these prices and let some of there alt accounts expire .
but apparently eve equals ******(addictive drug of the opiate family) and some people will pay anything for game time .
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ghost Goat ridiculous amounts
Who says they're ridiculous ? You ? On what grounds ? Anything between 40 mil and 4 bil is fairly normal. _
Create a character || Fit a ship || Get some ISK |
Evlyna
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Anslo
Don't let this game go the way the real world did when oil companies needlesly raised their prices for gasoline. We all saw where that lead to, and was nearly disasterous.
You seriously have no clue what you are talking about.
The GTC market is sane and based on supply and demand while the real life market is screwed for being rigged, speculative and based on currencies having nothing to back them up. (Among a zillion other reasons).
ktksbye!
P.S.: I'll be nice, buy them at primetime. Now around downtime.
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Faife
Noctiscion
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:09:00 -
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i'm holding out for a billion per gtc --
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sg3s
Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:13:00 -
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Oh btw, OP if you quit, can I have your stuff?
Originally by: Tarminic Because even when EVE sucks, it sucks less than every other MMO out there.
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Ghost Goat
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Ghost Goat ridiculous amounts
Who says they're ridiculous ? You ? On what grounds ? Anything between 40 mil and 4 bil is fairly normal.
i really dont want to get into this circle jerk again . so lets leave it at that .
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Anneka Tong
B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:28:00 -
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isk-farming operations can afford to pay more than normal players for the GTCs.
Many buyers of GTCs appear to be from isk-farming operations.
If you attempt to only sell to normal players, it takes forever to make a sale.
So, the answer to the high prices is to attack farming operations. The more they are disrupted, the lower the prices they can pay are, so the prices that normal players have to pay is reduced.
So go get 'em, tiger.
I like genetic engineering Past projects: The Radioactive Sheep Current project: CyberCow |
Deira Lenia
The Chaotic Order Void.
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Deira Lenia on 06/11/2008 16:29:29 Edited by: Deira Lenia on 06/11/2008 16:28:33 You want to know why your paying half a billion for a GTC?
Simple. The overall USD value corrected itself to other world currency's. For large parts of the world it became ineffective again to buy/sell GTC's for cheap isk because the dollar price returned itself.
The euro to USD value restored itself by 60 USD cents in the past 3 weeks. One of the reasons why many european players stopped selling GTC's.
The supply went down MASSIVLY, and the demand stayed the same.
If you want cheaper GTC's, tell banks in the US to go bankrupt so your USD is worth crapall again. Then GTC's will flood the market from European players again and you can have your cheap GTC.
Prioritys man, Prioritys, do you want a house to live in or cheap GTC's? -- Real men corpse tank Void Forums The Chaotic Order Forums |
Ana Vyr
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:38:00 -
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Edited by: Ana Vyr on 06/11/2008 16:39:31 Edited by: Ana Vyr on 06/11/2008 16:38:48 Some folks must be paying that price. I guess it's worth it to them.
What I can't figure out is that you work all day (presumably) for money...and then you work during your playtime to pay for the game you want to play to relax from real-life work. Why not just pay for a sub with real money, so you can spend your liesure time actually playing the game for fun?
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spud maur
Gallente IBF2
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:41:00 -
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ive sold GTC's in the past not so many 60day codes and i taught 450 was a high price but i still took the isk :), but what i would like to see is CCP set a price for these codes to be sold at with this new system they are introducing, one of my corp mates sold a few 60day codes this week for 600mill each and that is just a rip off so im all For CCP caping the price that can be charges for these
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:53:00 -
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Buy 1000 GTCs, sell them for 300mil each, problem solved. "The Cartel" will either drop out of business or adjust their prices.
Of course, if they're as rich as some may belief, they might just buy out your stock and resell it for the 500-600mil they do now.
-------- Ideas for: Mining
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Mag's
MASS
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:54:00 -
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Credit crunch?
Mag's
Originally by: Avernus One of these days, the realization that MASS is no longer significant will catch up with you. |
Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.06 16:57:00 -
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Originally by: Anslo The isk price of these GTC's are not proportionate to the normal price CCP has set out.
What nominal price? as far as I am aware CCP have never issued any guidelines about the ISK value a GTC represents, I may be wrong and if you can supply an official source please illuminate me.
PS
Stop whining and go farm some ISK for us greedy merchants.
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.06 17:06:00 -
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Until the day where 1 GTC = The amount of isk you can gather in a 2 month period, you really need to crawl back under your rock and just learn to take it. - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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