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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:18:00 -
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gfldex wrote:It may very well be that the loot drop never was a problem in the first place. What legit miner can compete with a 22 hulk bot operation? It takes about 4 month to become effective as a miner. So at best we will see mineral prices start dropping in 4 month.
LOL!
There are a great many mission-runners out there who could switch over to flying perfect Hulk + Orca fleets tomorrow if mining became more profitable than mission-running or Incursions. There will be no 4-month ramp up time, there will be at most 24 hours that it takes to jump to the mining clone.
Supply of minerals will not stop. There is no monopoly. The only thing that will change is the prices of those minerals, and those changes will apply to everyone: speculative traders will make sure of that.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.05 10:43:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:There are a great many mission-runners out there who could switch over to flying perfect Hulk + Orca fleets tomorrow if mining became more profitable than mission-running or Incursions. There will be no 4-month ramp up time, there will be at most 24 hours that it takes to jump to the mining clone.
I can run 3 hulks and got a orca pilot with maxed leadership skills. But I could never run 22 accounts. Can you?
There is another problem I see that could actually create a shock for the economy. When you do industry in planet Earth and you see component/raw material prices go up while at the same time end product prices rise as well you would quickly talk to your bank to get a short term lone with low interest. We don't got credit in EVE. As a result increasing prices lead to lower capacity of producers if the rise in price overtakes the increase of capital of those who make all the stuffz.
That might even be the cause of the 8 million gold problem.
And in 2012 the whining became ENDLESS. |
Tobiaz
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:23:00 -
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Virgil Travis wrote:This is a good move for the newer players, starting industrialists can now manufacture and sell those meta 0 items and not have to compete with the stuff that mission runners don't melt, which I've been waiting to see since I started. I'd rather see new players benefitting from selling those items than mission runners melting or selling them.
IT... WON'T... CHANGE... A... SINGLE... THING
The T1 market has been healthy already for quite a while, easily making a 25% profit on sales as long as you don't sell in Jita.
But just look at the market for meta1 and meta2 and you'll see how insignificant the input of mods on the market by the mission-runners truly is. They mostly reprocesses everything for much easier sold minerals, except the meta3 and meta4 because those are worth enough to sell because of the T2 invention and some very tight ship-fits. http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Tobiaz/sig_complaints.gif
How about fixing image-linking on the forums, CCP? I want to see signatures! |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:33:00 -
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Ghoest wrote:I havent run any mission lately but i was under the impression this had occurred a year or 2 ago.
They had turned down the amount of loot dropped by rats a year or two ago.
Now, they're turning it down another notch or three.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:33:00 -
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gfldex wrote:I can run 3 hulks and got a orca pilot with maxed leadership skills. But I could never run 22 accounts. Can you
Every botting account that is banned is at least three more actual player accounts that get to make ISK from mining instead. No one player needs to fill the gap, since there will be a half dozen players willing to fill that hole in the economy.
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bldyannoyed
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.04.05 11:56:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:gfldex wrote:I can run 3 hulks and got a orca pilot with maxed leadership skills. But I could never run 22 accounts. Can you Every botting account that is banned is at least three more actual player accounts that get to make ISK from mining instead. No one player needs to fill the gap, since there will be a half dozen players willing to fill that hole in the economy.
So what happens when all these mission runners or incursion bears or so forth that are supposed to leap into hulks the second trit hits 7 isk or whatever the **** it is DON'T because in actual fact mining is so crushingly horribly dull that they would actually literally rather quit than do it?
The market won't stabilise until the mineral supply starts to increase but the assumption that more people will mine as it becomes more profitable is false.
Sense does not rule in game activities. Just because mining becomes more profitable does not mean more people will do it. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.05 12:11:00 -
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Btw. buy Zydrine! And in 2012 the whining became ENDLESS. |
Onchas
EL Bernays School of Strategic Communication
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Posted - 2012.04.05 13:17:00 -
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gfldex wrote:It may very well be that the loot drop never was a problem in the first place. What legit miner can compete with a 22 hulk bot operation? It takes about 4 month to become effective as a miner. So at best we will see mineral prices start dropping in 4 month.
There are a lot of old school players who have hangers full of mining barges and lasers ready to hit the belts once mining becomes worth it again.
People constantly under-estimate the excess capacity for production in the Eve economy.
Quote:Ohh, CCP what have you done! Two big cans of worms at the same time? The whining will be ENDLESS.
Who cares. Seriously. Who really cares? In 9 years of Eve there's never been an ebb in the flow of tears. The whining has already been endless. |
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