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Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Verx Interis on 08/11/2008 02:14:16 What I mean by the question is the space that you find Serpentis rats in belts is really small. In addition, all but 3 of the best systems with serpentis rats are in Fountain. The other three are: A2V6-6 - Outer Ring YVA-FO - Outer Ring XZH-4X - Cloud Ring Only XZH has a station in it, the other two are NPC controlled and are 16 and 14 jumps from the nearest station, respectively. This is an image showing the size of each NPC pirate's patrolled space. This image is the same but put over an outdated eve influence map (so you can see the actual space and compare) Blood Raiders and Sansha are lumped together since they're both Amarr rats and in most aspects are the same. Which rats control which 0.0 regions: Regions with Serp rats: 5 Fountain Fade Cloud Ring Outer Ring Syndicate Regions with Angel rats: 12 Feythabolis Omist Impass Teneferis Immensea Wicked Creek Scalding Pass Insmother Detroid Cache Great Wildlands Curse Regions with Rogue Drone rats: 8 The Kalevala Expance Colbat Edge Oasa Malpais Perrigen Falls Outer Passage The Spire Regions with Blood/Sansha rats: 8 Delve Querious Period Basis Catch Stain Providence Esoteria Paragorn Soul Regions with Guristas rats: 8 Venal Tenal Branch Pure Blind Deklein Tribute Vale of the Silent Geminate Not only do other NPC's have several more regions, they have many more good systems, and those system are more distributed. It makes sense that Angels have a lot more, since they're supposed to be more powerful, but there's no explanation as to why the Serpentis are so small. Fountain is really the only region with Serp rats that's worth a damn in terms of money. tl:dr version - there is almost nowhere with serpentis rats, see images. This be wrong. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Moonbat Indabrane Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:20:00 - [2] Edited by: Moonbat Indabrane on 08/11/2008 02:19:57 this is a good question... although i must admit i chuckled quite a bit at the title. :D edit: FIRST! twitch!
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:21:00 - [3] I asked Sarpati about this just the other day, and he claims it is because space is so very cold.
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:23:00 - [4] Fine with me. Serp salvage is awful, although they give you 1600 plate and large hybrid drops out in their nullsec regions. Also OP is missing the Empire regions where Serp rats occur. Miscellaneous Gallente regions IIRC.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Fine with me. Serp salvage is awful, although they give you 1600 plate and large hybrid drops out in their nullsec regions. Also OP is missing the Empire regions where Serp rats occur. Miscellaneous Gallente regions IIRC. I intentionally left out non-0.0 regions because 98% of rats in those places are worth s**t. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:27:00 - [6] You are as well asking why amarr space is so big. Its cos the game is made that way. Serpentis are so weak (militarily) they have to hire the angels to protect them ffs (gaurdian angels). Serpentis officers are in fact angels. (I want to know how i can get missions from them in curse but only kill them in fountain). Thay have more regions than bloods or sanshas, who are totally different in all aspects other than damage types. The background has them as far less powerful than the angels or guristas. You are right that their best space is very focussed in Fountain, but then its probably the best region in the game.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Clinical Experiment	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:31:00 - [7] Serpentis are so small because i'm Amarr, pure and simple My opinions represent the opinions of my corporation completely. I'm the CEO damnit.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Doddy You are as well asking why amarr space is so big. Its cos the game is made that way. Serpentis are so weak (militarily) they have to hire the angels to protect them ffs (gaurdian angels). Serpentis officers are in fact angels. (I want to know how i can get missions from them in curse but only kill them in fountain). Thay have more regions than bloods or sanshas, who are totally different in all aspects other than damage types. The background has them as far less powerful than the angels or guristas. You are right that their best space is very focussed in Fountain, but then its probably the best region in the game. I wonder why they don't direct the money from the angels to expanding more and becoming more powerful. Meh As for Amarr having so much space, that has an explanation. They expanded rabidly during the Reclaiming, but it had to stop when they got their asses handed to them by the Jovians and the Minmatar rebelled. They still hold much of the space they took. I don't know the details of Sansha vs Blood loot or salvage, but they'll both give Amarr loot, their faction modules are lasers and armor tanking, they do the same damage types. The only real difference is the Nightmare vs the Bhgallhorn (however you spell it). Nightmare (and other Sansha ships) are shield tanking missile using maurader-esque ships. The Blood ships get web and neut bonuses and use lasers and armor tank. However that is irrellevant to actually killing them. In terms of that, the only noticable difference is that Bloods use nosferatu and Sansha use TD's. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Sniper Wolf18 Gallente Apocalypse Ponies H E L I C O N	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Sheriff Jones Serpentis are so small because i'm Amarr, pure and simple Yeah, theyre all on their backs laughing at the immensely nerfed lazors instead of being farmed by carebears/chinese isk farmers!
Moonbat Indabrane Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Moonbat Indabrane on 08/11/2008 02:37:21 Originally by: Verx Interis Nightmare (and other Sansha ships) are shield tanking missile using maurader-esque ships. WTB sansha missile ship twitch!

Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:37:00 - [11] Originally by: Moonbat Indabrane Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Doddy You are as well asking why amarr space is so big. Its cos the game is made that way. Serpentis are so weak (militarily) they have to hire the angels to protect them ffs (gaurdian angels). Serpentis officers are in fact angels. (I want to know how i can get missions from them in curse but only kill them in fountain). Thay have more regions than bloods or sanshas, who are totally different in all aspects other than damage types. The background has them as far less powerful than the angels or guristas. You are right that their best space is very focussed in Fountain, but then its probably the best region in the game. I wonder why they don't direct the money from the angels to expanding more and becoming more powerful. Meh As for Amarr having so much space, that has an explanation. They expanded rabidly during the Reclaiming, but it had to stop when they got their asses handed to them by the Jovians and the Minmatar rebelled. They still hold much of the space they took. I don't know the details of Sansha vs Blood loot or salvage, but they'll both give Amarr loot, their faction modules are lasers and armor tanking, they do the same damage types. The only real difference is the Nightmare vs the Bhgallhorn (however you spell it). Nightmare (and other Sansha ships) are shield tanking missile using maurader-esque ships. The Blood ships get web and neut bonuses and use lasers and armor tank. However that is irrellevant to actually killing them. In terms of that, the only noticable difference is that Bloods use nosferatu and Sansha use TD's. WTB sansha missile ship Meant lasers (doh) --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:38:00 - [12] In the backstory, Angels are actually tasked with protecting the Serpentis, so it would not surprise me if the Serpentis fleet was smaller and ergo roamed less space than other pirate factions. Gameplay wise though the question is valid.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:41:00 - [13] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda In the backstory, Angels are actually tasked with protecting the Serpentis, so it would not surprise me if the Serpentis fleet was smaller and ergo roamed less space than other pirate factions. Gameplay wise though the question is valid. Yeah that was my point, Serpentis provide **-poor space except for Fountain which is like a money printer for PL & co. This is in the same area, but the entire western 0.0 is kinda sttacular. It's tiny, with mostly NPC sov. And almost nothing important ever happens there. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Verx Interis I wonder why they don't direct the money from the angels to expanding more and becoming more powerful. Meh As for Amarr having so much space, that has an explanation. They expanded rabidly during the Reclaiming, but it had to stop when they got their asses handed to them by the Jovians and the Minmatar rebelled. They still hold much of the space they took. I don't know the details of Sansha vs Blood loot or salvage, but they'll both give Amarr loot, their faction modules are lasers and armor tanking, they do the same damage types. The only real difference is the Nightmare vs the Bhgallhorn (however you spell it). Nightmare (and other Sansha ships) are shield tanking missile using maurader-esque ships. The Blood ships get web and neut bonuses and use lasers and armor tank. However that is irrellevant to actually killing them. In terms of that, the only noticable difference is that Bloods use nosferatu and Sansha use TD's. Firstly becuase they are a business, not a military group. If you read up on the background of serpentis there is no reason for them to have more space, or indeed to want more. The background of each faction directly relates to how much space they have, whether you mean have sovereignty over or have rats in. Serpentis are a very small faction made up of the serpentis corporation (a business venture) and a smaller sister corporation, serpentis inquest. It would be unreasonable to expect such a minor group to have direct control over large amounts of space. They have a small angel trained + led defence force and thats pretty much it. You need to look up the nightmare, it hasn't used missiles for a while. The rats still do and armour tank though. They drop the same mods is true, but otherwise there is no relation between the factions and no reason to lump them together unless your question is based entirely around loot.
Artemis Rose Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:48:00 - [15] The less 0.0 regions you control as an NPC pirate faction, the less losses you take from the murderous, greed-driven pod pilots as they take every possible chance to murder you brutally for petty profit. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Doddy Originally by: Verx Interis I wonder why they don't direct the money from the angels to expanding more and becoming more powerful. Meh As for Amarr having so much space, that has an explanation. They expanded rabidly during the Reclaiming, but it had to stop when they got their asses handed to them by the Jovians and the Minmatar rebelled. They still hold much of the space they took. I don't know the details of Sansha vs Blood loot or salvage, but they'll both give Amarr loot, their faction modules are lasers and armor tanking, they do the same damage types. The only real difference is the Nightmare vs the Bhgallhorn (however you spell it). Nightmare (and other Sansha ships) are shield tanking missile using maurader-esque ships. The Blood ships get web and neut bonuses and use lasers and armor tank. However that is irrellevant to actually killing them. In terms of that, the only noticable difference is that Bloods use nosferatu and Sansha use TD's. Firstly becuase they are a business, not a military group. If you read up on the background of serpentis there is no reason for them to have more space, or indeed to want more. The background of each faction directly relates to how much space they have, whether you mean have sovereignty over or have rats in. Serpentis are a very small faction made up of the serpentis corporation (a business venture) and a smaller sister corporation, serpentis inquest. It would be unreasonable to expect such a minor group to have direct control over large amounts of space. They have a small angel trained + led defence force and thats pretty much it. You need to look up the nightmare, it hasn't used missiles for a while. The rats still do and armour tank though. They drop the same mods is true, but otherwise there is no relation between the factions and no reason to lump them together unless your question is based entirely around loot. I edited the post about 10 minutes ago to have lasers. And I didn't specify in the OP (which I should have) I was speaking from a gameplay standpoint, not an RP standpoint. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:56:00 - [17] You changed it while i was typing. From a gameplay point I don't really see what difference it makes how many regions they have to be honest. Unless you have a fetish for sensor booster drops who cares? A far better question (and what i think you are getting at) would be to ask why there are less 0.0 regions in the west than elsewhere, and why those regions are mostly npc sov.
Winterblink Body Count Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.08 02:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Verx Interis This is an image showing the size of each NPC pirate's patrolled space. This image is the same but put over an outdated eve influence map (so you can see the actual space and compare) Serpentis space looks like a velociraptor with double-Ds. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Doddy You changed it while i was typing. From a gameplay point I don't really see what difference it makes how many regions they have to be honest. Unless you have a fetish for sensor booster drops who cares? A far better question (and what i think you are getting at) would be to ask why there are less 0.0 regions in the west than elsewhere, and why those regions are mostly npc sov. I did bring that up in a reply. I actually wanted to ask about it but forgot while I was making the thread. They're almost the same though, because adding more serp regions means adding more western space, and it's probably not going to be NPC sov. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:16:00 - [20] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Verx Interis This is an image showing the size of each NPC pirate's patrolled space. This image is the same but put over an outdated eve influence map (so you can see the actual space and compare) Serpentis space looks like a velociraptor with double-Ds. [/thread]

Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 03:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Verx Interis This is an image showing the size of each NPC pirate's patrolled space. This image is the same but put over an outdated eve influence map (so you can see the actual space and compare) Serpentis space looks like a velociraptor with double-Ds. My god you're right. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Dyaven Interstellar Mining and Research	Posted - 2008.11.08 04:13:00 - [22] Edited by: Dyaven on 08/11/2008 04:13:37 Originally by: Verx Interis Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Verx Interis This is an image showing the size of each NPC pirate's patrolled space. This image is the same but put over an outdated eve influence map (so you can see the actual space and compare) Serpentis space looks like a velociraptor with double-Ds. My god you're right. And Guristas looks like a shark. And Sansha a cat. And Drones a deformed goldfish.
Haniblecter Teg	Posted - 2008.11.08 07:06:00 - [23] Sansha and Angels are breakaways from a larger empire. Gurista's are a large merc/terrorist force. Serpentis are just the Sapranos...all they got is Jersey. ----------------- Friends Forever
soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.11.08 07:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Doddy You are as well asking why amarr space is so big. Its cos the game is made that way. Serpentis are so weak (militarily) they have to hire the angels to protect them ffs (gaurdian angels). Serpentis officers are in fact angels. (I want to know how i can get missions from them in curse but only kill them in fountain). Thay have more regions than bloods or sanshas, who are totally different in all aspects other than damage types. The background has them as far less powerful than the angels or guristas. You are right that their best space is very focussed in Fountain, but then its probably the best region in the game. this, the serpentis is mainly a drug running corporation, not a para military organization Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.08 08:43:00 - [25] The roleplay makes sense, but from a gameplay standpoint, it's a bit irritating, as is the lack of western regions. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.08 09:10:00 - [26] Originally by: Verx Interis The following post is from a gameplay standpoint, not a roleplay standpoint Which is what I think is your problem, they're "small" because they're a comparatively smaller organization than the others, which itself is centered around a drug development corporation, not a cluster-wide criminal organization (Angels) or the diminished forces of a former Empire Faction (Sansha). They've contracted the Angels to protect them so they can concentrate on their production, distribution and sale of delightfully illicit substances - so they're not as expansive territorially. I think people are too eager to cut out the so-called "roleplay" when trying to make sense of gameplay.
Scagga Laebetrovo Evil Bastards	Posted - 2008.11.08 10:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Verx Interis ... Regions with Blood/Sansha rats: 8 Delve Querious Period Basis Catch Stain Providence Esoteria Paragorn Soul I don't think it's fair to bunch up different factions when trying to make a comparison with a single other faction. After considering this, the Serpentis are on par with sanshas and more prevalent than the blood raiders. Blood Raiders Delve Querious Period Basis Sansha: Catch Stain Providence Esoteria Paragorn Soul Scagga is running for the CSM, see his campaign thread to know of his standpoints!
gfldex Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.08 12:28:00 - [28] The answer to your questin is: 42. -- There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:09:00 - [29] Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo Originally by: Verx Interis ... Regions with Blood/Sansha rats: 8 Delve Querious Period Basis Catch Stain Providence Esoteria Paragorn Soul I don't think it's fair to bunch up different factions when trying to make a comparison with a single other faction. After considering this, the Serpentis are on par with sanshas and more prevalent than the blood raiders. Blood Raiders Delve Querious Period Basis Sansha: Catch Stain Providence Esoteria Paragorn Soul The thing is, in most respsects, they are the same NPC's. The point I'm trying to make is that 1. There is a signifigant lack of western regions 2. there is a lot less serpentis space, making their drops harder to find. If there is another NPC that uses gallente ships and drop gallente stuff and has drone salvage, then I'll gladly group them with serpentis. Just as if there was another one that dropped missile, shield boosters, and has ward consoles. But only guristas do that. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Verx Interis Just as if there was another one that dropped missile, shield boosters, and has ward consoles. But only guristas do that. I don't know about Ward Consoles & Salvage, but I know Angels drop Faction Missile Launchers & Shield Boosters ...



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