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Marketa Silverdrill
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Posted - 2008.11.08 05:48:00 -
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i am running an IPO to raise capital for buying the Orca Blueprint and BPC's or BPO's for the cap ship modules to build them. we are planing to buy several prints of the Orca BPO. one for immediate production. 1 for copying and 1 for research. we will swap the prints around as each stage finishes. we are also buying minerals and modules for building the ships. i have access to copying and research facilities and my 3 main accounts all have capital ship production and are in a 250 man industrial corp. i am selling shares to my own corp Silverdrill ... industries for 10 million per share. i have sold 168 shares in the last 2 days but have another 832 available. dividends will be paid out on a weekly basis starting December 1st.
as the cap module BPC's are being gobbled up bye builders i would like to either find others selling BPC's of the researched modules or buying BPO's for those modules so we can make and sell complete Orca Build Sets in addition to finished ships. My corp is based in empire with offices around the galaxy and in the Drone region so we will be selling in both empire and 0.0 Drone space. delivery of ORCA and Orca BPC's will be available in much of the Drone space Regions Blue to " Shadows of XXDeathXX ". this is not a corp raceing to build the First Orca But building High Quality Ships at Reasonable prices.
Contact Gilliana Silverdrill for more information or Marketa Silverdrill to buy shares or to pre order BPC's and Ships.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.08 05:53:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 08/11/2008 05:54:12
 Originally by: Marketa Silverdrill
we are planing to buy several prints of the Orca BPO.
Of course you are.
Judging by your posting history (5 posts) you're spamming the forums. Just between you and me, anyone fell for it?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.08 06:11:00 -
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Edited by: Brock Nelson on 08/11/2008 06:12:54
This is a poorly written IPO. For starters, we have what is called a "Shift" key, it helps you to capitalize the first letter of the first word of the first sentence. Who are you? Why are you using an alt to make this IPO?
Secondly, 10 billion? Are you kidding me? You plan to build 1 Orca as soon as it gets released? Where the profitability in that? Especially in a 10 billion IPO? If you're just going to use 1 blueprint for construction right away and then use the other 2 for research? By the time the blueprint comes out of the cooker, the hype will be over and the best money you can make is maybe up to 50 million in net profit after the price gets settled in.
Thirdly, you haven't done ANYTHING to get you started. You've indicated that you don't have any components to start building 1 Orca. You said that BPC are practically gone from the market, so that leaves you BPO. So, 3 Orca BPO, 4 types of component BPO (If I recall correctly), so all total up to 7 billion. So, that leaves you 3 billion to get materials. 3 Orca worth of material doesn't even reach half of the left over capital.
So, like I said, poorly constructed IPO, no research, no solid business plan. I have no doubt that you can get customers for your Orca but you're just kind of taking a shot in the dark aren't you?
Plus, you're a little late aren't ya? Why didn't you come forward with this earlier? I would talk to Lady of Wrath and see what you can get setup with. She works with a number of other industrialist, especially Orca builders.
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Marketa Silverdrill
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Posted - 2008.11.08 06:18:00 -
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i have posted this in 3 areas relating to industry and markets. the history is small because this is a trade corp character alt for my main characters Gilliana Silverdrill, Roy Silverdrill and Robroy Silverdrill. all are industrialists and cap ship builders in blueprint house. i cant exact be selling thier corps shares to be raising funds for this project so am using my own empire corp for that. this way i can work without being overburdened bye their alliances war decks. i still run an empire industrial and shipping corp with my alts in addition to working for a top end industrial 0.0 corp.
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Marketa Silverdrill
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Posted - 2008.11.08 06:37:00 -
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first point first. i am an industrialist not an English major. i am disabled and live in eve 10 to 16 hours a day and its not unheard of for me to mine a million meters of ore in a single day. and that's not using some screwy farming program. running 4 accounts at a time is not easy. if you don't like my spelling or typing skills then go talk to your mother about etiquette classes and learn to keep your trap shut.
Second i said i plan to build 1 Orca immediately and i do have modules set aside for it. but i don't have BPO's or BPC's for subsequent modules to plan to buy or make them myself. this is a long term project to start a capital ship production with just 1 print it takes5 days for me to build a ship. in that same 5 days with a second print i can make multiple virgin copies to resell or put into production. as research takes weeks we'll have building many ships before this is finished. i have a ready supply of minerals from my neighbors here in the drone regions and see no problem in getting ships built once i get the prints here.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/myrddinstarhawk/orca_stats.jpg
this was taken weeks ago and with my least skilled industrial alt on singularity and the update was well over a month old. so skills were 2 months out of date.
i'll post below the info i posted in my cor's forums.
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Marketa Silverdrill
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Posted - 2008.11.08 06:46:00 -
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Silverdrill Archiology Salvage and Industries is selling shares for buying the Orca Blueprint when it is released with the quantum rise expansion on November 11th. we are also buying materials and Module BPC's in empire to build the capital components needed to build the orca so we can have all the parts ready to put the ship into production as soon as the blueprint is released. i would like to buy 2 blueprints so we can use one in production while we get the second into research and copy asap so we can also sell BPC's to the masses. while we are building the first ships.
Orca's are expected to cost about 400 mill in capital components and sell for 500 mill once the market settles. the first few ships will probably sell for 750 mill to 900 mill just because of the new demands. expectantly in empire.
stats for the ship can be found here.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/myrddin.../orca_stats.jpg
shares are available at 10 mill each and are available from Roy Silverdrill
talk to him as roy silverdrill, or gilliana silverdrill ingame.
Investors will be given first priority in ship orders, and will be able to order them below market value
QUOTE (Shin Chogan @ Nov 5 2008, 05:33 AM) *
If you don't mind my asking what do you expect the return on investment to be for your investors and in what kind of time scale do you expect the first returns to be ?
to be honest i don't know yet. that depends on how many inverters we get and how many copies of the Orca blueprint we are able to buy. if we build or buy modules before the release date in anticipation of release the first ship will roll off the assembly like as early as 5 days from release. based on the skill of the person doing final assembly. we wont know what the market value of the ship will be untill people are able to place orders on the release date. as this is an empire capable ship the blueprint will be seeded in many stations throughout empire and lowsec. it can be assembled anyplace that you can build a freighter so im most empire systems with manufacturing labs. if we are able to buy more than 1 copy of the print we will be able to put one into imediate production. one into copy for resale of coppies and assembly of multiple ships at a time. and allso some into research for later copy and production to decrease future production costs. initialy i expect orca's to sell for at least 200 mill over manufacturing base cost. possibly as high as 300 or more over the expected 400 to 500 mill material and component bpc cost's. Orca BPC's i expect to sell for around 150 to 250 mill each. on par with freighter prints. later to drop to 100 mill or so after several months.
the intention is that 90% of the profits over the build cost once the ships are made and sold will be divided among shareholders with the initial capital to be reinvested into building the next ship. 10% will be held in reserve to cover unforeseen accidents and losses. Initially we will need to raise 3 to 5 billion to cover 2 or 3 prints and component Bpc's and materials to build the first 3 or 4 ships. i print for immediate production 1 for copying unsearchable and 1 print directly into research would be best. sales of copies or manufacturing from the copies to extradite initial production are ways to quickly recapitalize the initial investment.
if there are any business majors willing to help me work or a business plan for this venture i would welcome the input and assistance as i am a manufacturer not a business planner.
BPO prints will be a billion isk each. but you also have to buy BPC's or bpo's for the capital ship components that go into the build. they tend to be 5 to 8 mill each when in 5 run packets. with cap modules running an average of 4 to 8 mill each after material and bpc costs. the initial modules per ships until we have researched prints will take 81 modules to build a ship. module BPC's will also be at a premium once the Orca hits as demand will be high.
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Marketa Silverdrill
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Posted - 2008.11.08 06:54:00 -
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eventually we would like to own BPO's for the modules but they run well over a billion each even un-researched. but once we get them it will reduce the cap ship production for all blueP caps as the modules are common to all cap ships.
one thing we want to eventually do is buy a high sec POS that we can turn into a research and copy center for cap modules and ship prints. we have pos's for doing that here but much of the BPC market is in empire. an empire pos is a bit cost restrictive to start. i have been offered access to a high sec research corp until then we have the labs here.
empire assembly will be done in stations in empire where we have standings to reduce material waist and cost.
the post about the new patch says they are making changes to the assembly arrays specificaly to help production of battleships freighters and orcas. the corperate hanger is 40,000 M3 and cant be expanded. the hold is 30,000 M3 base. expandable to 90,000 M3. the hanger is big enough to hold a rigged ship under battleship size. large enough for 2 hulks but not a battleship.
logistically this will be nice as a mobile command center for fleet engagements as you can hide it in a safe spot cloaked. and have it carry extra ships packaged. just transfer them into the corp hanger or jettison them into space and let the pilot jump into it and fit the needed modules to go back into the engagements. load its highs with reppers and corp hanger and holds with modules to make repair and refit or rearmament in remote systems where you dont have access to a station or carrier. . with a cloak and covert ops cyno on one of its ships you can slip into a disputed region with a good escort and set up a close command and refit center for both small and cap ships.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.08 06:59:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 08/11/2008 07:03:14
Originally by: Marketa Silverdrill
first point first. i am an industrialist not an English major.
And I am allergic to walls of text so we'll just leave an auditor to corroborate your story, appraise your skills, link the 2 characters you mentioned, etc.
Then we must also take into account the fact that you might be using lent alliance / corporation items to bolster your claims.
So where have you been all this time? How was it possible to ignore MD for so long? I bet you were making a lot of isk by yourself but somehow when it came to allocating 10B isk for this project your pockets are empty.
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Xabier
THE SORORITY
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Posted - 2008.11.08 08:19:00 -
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Edited by: Xabier on 08/11/2008 08:22:04
One serious flaw in your plan.
It takes more than 6 weeks to copy the print and takes less then 6 days to build one.
Not to mention the stats you linked are the old ones and don't have the updated build cost on them.
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Cheopis
Ardishapur Ammunition and More
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Posted - 2008.11.08 09:22:00 -
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Marketa, you are coming into the Orca market late and unprepared.
Other manufacturers have already started similar operations, and are in advance of your preparations.
Investors have already invested in other people's operations, which means that if they invest in yours too, they run the risk of their investments competing against each other and severely depressing their returns.
Additionally, you are not known here, and your corp appears to be based in the Drone regions - at least you indicate that your minerals will come from there. The minerals might be cheaper, but you have to get those orcas to buyers, or buyers will have come to you - one drives up your price, the other drives down the price people will pay you.
I think you are a little late to be jumping on the bandwagon here, and not well positioned even if you were more prepared.
That's not to say that you can't find investors, but you are going to have a hard time doing so.
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Gilliana SilverDrill
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:05:00 -
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my main characters are gilliana silverdrill, roy silverdrill and robroy silverdrill. all have open skill listings on the character pages. i have not bothered with the MD forums before because i was building modules and ships through Blueprint Haus in IRC. now that we have left IRC to join "Shadow of XXDEATHXX" and bought our own stations and systems from xxdeathxx we have far more freedom to mine and build.
most of the ships i will be building i expect will be going to solar fleet, and legion of xxdeathxx for logistics support and to fellow shadow of xxdeathxx corporations for mining ops in their systems. i have had a number of people express interest in buying orca's here from use here in the drone region so much of my industry base will be here.
my original intention was to buy the BPO for the Orca and buy BPC sets for the cap modules. but the prices for BPC copies in jita are extortionist high so i plan on buying originals for the Cap components and making my own BPC packs to build here and sell in empire.
i plant to build some in empire for my own use and for my empire rookie cor's use.
i was not expecting the orca to come out until early December so "i am" catching up. i had been investing most of my capital into stoking the oasa markets with tech 2 modules and ships. my intent was not to compete with empire manufacturing but to sell to others here in the drone regions.
i welcome an auditer to come in and verify my claims as i am making an honest IPO and want to assure everyone that my intents are legit.
I'm Maker Not a Breaker. I make the toys that Other use to go "Boom".
Founder and COO of Silverdrill Archiology salvage and industries
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Roy SilVerDrill
Caldari
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:06:00 -
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true
I am a Breaker not a Maker. I live that to My alts. I smash the rocks together so others can Build the Things That Go Boom.
My alt
Gilliana Silverdrill is the maker. and Capitol ship Builder.
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RobRoy SilverDrill
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Posted - 2008.11.08 11:07:00 -
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true
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Xabier
THE SORORITY
CODE RED ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.08 16:58:00 -
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my eyes are starting to bleed..........
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Enihcam Xes
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Posted - 2008.11.08 17:30:00 -
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First off this is not welfare. Being disabled doesn't excuse you from needing to make clear concise posts if you want to get investors. Open up word and let its grammar correction help you, at least.
We pretty much all knew when the patch was going to arrive. The Dev's sort of project their timeline when you see the frequency of posts increasing and the sorts of changes that take place on sisi. If "you are" catching up at this point it's nobodys fault but yours.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.11.08 19:00:00 -
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At this point, unless you already have a full house of cap part BPOs, or have already built up mineral costs and are mearly seeking public funding FOR the print with it being locked down as collateral (not hard given corp mechanics) so as to build of it.
Any Orca IPO is destined to fail at this point.
Personally, the only ORCA launch I'd ever invest in would be someone who already has an existing and successful capital program (more specifically in freighters and carriers) and at this point the only one to date has been Block. The only reason I haven't jumped at his is that I loathe auction bonds. |
Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.09 06:45:00 -
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Yeah? I'd think that Lady of Wrath would have a successful capital production but I wouldn't go as far as saying that she has ownership of the capital production program due to how her organization is structured.
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Nuttski
Blueprint Haus
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.11.09 11:16:00 -
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Don't waste your time here Roy, keep it in house.
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Marketa Silverdrill
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Posted - 2008.11.10 00:40:00 -
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i agree Nuttski. I'll keep it in house. too many people trying to build for empire and not enough for our space.
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Typhena
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.11.10 00:52:00 -
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Edited by: Typhena on 10/11/2008 00:54:14
Edited by: Typhena on 10/11/2008 00:53:53
Roy,
You've started the topic in the wrong way, and after you've tried to fix that.
Think : If you were one of the guys here with a lot of ISK to invest reading this topic, you would invest on this IPO? Not me...
If you believe on your business, go for it, but next time you'd come to e-o, start with a simple and very objective message about your intention (and of course with a good idea!). That's what the guys here are looking for.
Good Luck.
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ofstrife
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Posted - 2008.11.10 01:03:00 -
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I hate to flog a dead horse, but it has nothing to do with where you're producing or for whom - it has more to do with having a flawed business plan and being rather long-winded and confusing. If you had started your IPO a couple weeks earlier and been more clear and concise about what you were doing, then you could have potentially gotten a good amount of money from the regulars here.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2008.11.10 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: ofstrife
I hate to flog a dead horse, but it has nothing to do with where you're producing or for whom - it has more to do with having a flawed business plan and being rather long-winded and confusing. If you had started your IPO a couple weeks earlier and been more clear and concise about what you were doing, then you could have potentially gotten a good amount of money from the regulars here.
Exactly.
For a good example of this, look at Xabier. Good plan, follows through, and doesn't tip off everything but lets the investors know a good idea of where their isk is going. |
EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.10 10:33:00 -
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Orca's are going to flood the market hardcore. People will be selling their bpo's below cost within a month of their release. Give it 2 months and the bpo's will be selling below cost with ME1-3. That's when I will be buying.
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Ami Nia
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.10 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Orca's are going to flood the market hardcore. People will be selling their bpo's below cost within a month of their release. Give it 2 months and the bpo's will be selling below cost with ME1-3. That's when I will be buying.
Base research time for material and copy is 8 weeks 21 hours. Base productivity research is 6 weeks 16 hours. Base manufacturing time is 1 week 2 hours.
With skills and working out of a POS I think it will take about 2 months to have a ME2 bpo, longer for ME3. Those early ones will probably not be below cost yet. You may see the unresearched ones that had been used initially sold below cost.
But I agree: if you want to speculate on the orca bubble, by now you should have already collected all the components and anchored your hisec POS, ready to add the new assembly array to it and start producing. If you are not going to speculate ... just hold on and buy the cheap BPOs that will be available after the craze.
Or speculate on the component and mineral market instead.
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
So we can 1 v 1 with Garmon.
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