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Louella Dougans Amarr D. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:34:00 - [31] Originally by: Shirley Serious I'd say you got it from your father, but of course, you don't know who he is, so that would be conjecture. You always bring that up, don't you? Why don't you just shut your filthy Khanid mouth, *****. Also, you're wrong. I know. Mother disapproves of my lifestyle
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:39:00 - [32] Originally by: Seishomaru Edited by: Seishomaru on 08/11/2008 20:01:22 Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Seishomaru After seen the scope footage of the fighting I must say.. poor reporters. In the right place for the story of their lives and in the wrong place to be obliterated by a gallente titan alongside the kador navy. I think you misssed the very last secodn of the scope broadcast.... everyone that have ever seen an Erebus fire its DD recognize that growing black cloud Scope footage copy at civilian networks. The video has been removed from the link you gave - I found a copy on a different network but the quality is very poor. Firing a doomsday doesn't make any sense either - the risk to the friendly station they were defending would be too great (think of the Yulai attack) and it would wipe out most of the Gallente ships as well. ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:45:00 - [33] Don't pay attention to the stone. Pay attention to the ripples it leaves behind.
Avel Kereka Amarr Manu Dei	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:27:00 - [34] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Don't pay attention to the stone. Pay attention to the ripples it leaves behind. Chuckles oh, you Caldari... ------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:36:00 - [35] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Seishomaru Edited by: Seishomaru on 08/11/2008 20:01:22 Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Seishomaru After seen the scope footage of the fighting I must say.. poor reporters. In the right place for the story of their lives and in the wrong place to be obliterated by a gallente titan alongside the kador navy. I think you misssed the very last secodn of the scope broadcast.... everyone that have ever seen an Erebus fire its DD recognize that growing black cloud Scope footage copy at civilian networks. The video has been removed from the link you gave - I found a copy on a different network but the quality is very poor. Firing a doomsday doesn't make any sense either - the risk to the friendly station they were defending would be too great (think of the Yulai attack) and it would wipe out most of the Gallente ships as well. here it still opens. Well if you pay attention at the very end the erebus is activating its DD while over ships. Golden ships. That erebus had landed close to the ammar fleet. While the gallente fleet (based on the previous scene was at the other side of station and pretty far). But based on the angles of the footage the scope shuttle was near the station between both fleets, very likely within range of the blast.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.11.08 22:35:00 - [36] Originally by: Seishomaru here it still opens. Well if you pay attention at the very end the erebus is activating its DD while over ships. Golden ships. That erebus had landed close to the ammar fleet. While the gallente fleet (based on the previous scene was at the other side of station and pretty far). But based on the angles of the footage the scope shuttle was near the station between both fleets, very likely within range of the blast. I got the somewhat better qualiy footage now and have been discussing it with a coupple friends...it seems that the Erebus was flown in through a second cyno behind the Amarr lines - I guess what some capuleers call "hot-dropping" - and a doomsday launched out of range of the station or the bulk of the Navy ships. At the same time, there was dogfighting over the planets too. ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.11.08 23:01:00 - [37] Given the large number of camera-angle changes, I am almost certain that the reporters were somewhere very safe when this occured, and that the report was done with camera drones. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.11.08 23:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Seishomaru here it still opens. Well if you pay attention at the very end the erebus is activating its DD while over ships. Golden ships. That erebus had landed close to the ammar fleet. While the gallente fleet (based on the previous scene was at the other side of station and pretty far). But based on the angles of the footage the scope shuttle was near the station between both fleets, very likely within range of the blast. I got the somewhat better qualiy footage now and have been discussing it with a coupple friends...it seems that the Erebus was flown in through a second cyno behind the Amarr lines - I guess what some capuleers call "hot-dropping" - and a doomsday launched out of range of the station or the bulk of the Navy ships. At the same time, there was dogfighting over the planets too. pretty much agree. Also notice that int he smaller video within the video. Just before the federation cyno opens. It talks about heavy fighting etc.. and a rifter passes by in that window. That means there were republic fleets along federation ships? Would not be surprising since federation fleet was shadowing the ammar fleets doing exercises early this week.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.11.08 23:06:00 - [39] Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Don't pay attention to the stone. Pay attention to the ripples it leaves behind. Chuckles oh, you Caldari... anyone familar with capsuleer history should know that Istvann Shogaatsu is not a person to be laughed at. Besides, he has a point. ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Myxx Gallente Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2008.11.09 00:00:00 - [40] I'd be more worried of any retaliation against the empire now than anything. I do hope no one was too badly hurt in the station, however. ---- Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late. anything I say is my personal view, nothing is that of my corporation or its alli
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.09 00:17:00 - [41] I just noticed something interesting in the footage. Both the revelation and the moros are MOVING while firing. As a dreadnaught pilot myself I must say this is unsettling. No serious dreadnaught pilot would fight out of siege mode. So could this be all a encenation? Simply WTF? Or this is all fake or the navies have downgraded so much their pilots training that neither side knew what the siege button was made for.
Esna Pitoojee Amarr Heavily Utilized Mechanic Mayhem	Posted - 2008.11.09 00:40:00 - [42] Initially, this is the most embarrasing thing to happen to House Kador in a looong time. I mean, what did he expect to get done without the backing of the Ministry of War, or at least another royal house? As has been stated before, however, Uriam Kador is not stupid; one is not that stupid and expect to remain a royal heir for long. I suspect there was another objective behind this invasion; time will tell if the House Kador forces managed to accomplish that goal. As to the suspicions that the meeting between Catiz Tash-Murkon and Uriam Kador have something to do with this, I hope it is not so. That would be an even greater embarrasment than if it were simply Kador having gone mad. ---------------------------------------------- Say "Amarr ships suk, lol." I dare you. My statments do not represent the opinions, views, or actions of my corp.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.11.09 00:45:00 - [43] Originally by: Polinus I just noticed something interesting in the footage. Both the revelation and the moros are MOVING while firing. As a dreadnaught pilot myself I must say this is unsettling. No serious dreadnaught pilot would fight out of siege mode. So could this be all a encenation? Simply WTF? Or this is all fake or the navies have downgraded so much their pilots training that neither side knew what the siege button was made for. Perhaps our ships are not as capable as those used by the empire Navies. Founder Heiian Society
Avel Kereka Amarr Manu Dei	Posted - 2008.11.09 00:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Avel Kereka Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Don't pay attention to the stone. Pay attention to the ripples it leaves behind. Chuckles oh, you Caldari... anyone familar with capsuleer history should know that Istvann Shogaatsu is not a person to be laughed at. Besides, he has a point. I was merely amused by his... poetic observation. It brought back to mind a vacation I took on New Caldari... scholars and rock gardens contrasting with the rest of the planet which was notably cold and uninviting. ------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
Elias Modron Rage For Order Nihil-Obstat	Posted - 2008.11.09 01:01:00 - [45] We still have teeth. The Federation is not a push-over anymore.
Karanth Gallente Independent Fleet	Posted - 2008.11.09 01:26:00 - [46] Originally by: Polinus I just noticed something interesting in the footage. Both the revelation and the moros are MOVING while firing. As a dreadnaught pilot myself I must say this is unsettling. No serious dreadnaught pilot would fight out of siege mode. So could this be all a encenation? Simply WTF? Or this is all fake or the navies have downgraded so much their pilots training that neither side knew what the siege button was made for. Perhaps their fleet commanders considered mobility a more important priority than raw firepower at that point? Things appeared to be moving fairly quickly there, and locking oneself down in siege mode when not bombarding a stationary target would be a bit silly. --- Wheel of Whineage
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.11.09 02:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Myxx I'd be more worried of any retaliation against the empire now than anything. I do hope no one was too badly hurt in the station, however. No civilian fatalities from the station have been reported. There are two Federation Navy logistic stations in Ratillose (the defenses, the other two stations in system are owned by Egonics. Three of the four stations orbit the moons of Ratillose V, the only settled planet in the system. Attacks were launched on the Navy stations and over the surface of Ratillose V. Four of the other five planets in the system are ice worlds, Ratillose VI is a gas giant. There is an ice field and 5 asteroid fields in the orbit patch of Ratillose V and one near planet VI, but it's not as if the Amarr have a shortage of their own. So if we're looking for motivations and if they exist in the system, it's either a Navy connection or something on Ratillose V. Unless Kador's reputed fling with a Gallente actress left him with something of a grudge against Egonics, but he would have to be truly stupid to crate an international incident over it. ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Hamish Grayson Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2008.11.09 03:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Elias Modron We still have teeth. The Federation is not a push-over anymore. We can thank the ôstrategic geniusö of Tibus Heth for that. While the citizenshipÆs attention is focused on the milita squabbling over which name gets put on the map for that day, the Federation is preparing for a major assault on the State. ============================================ It is said the warrior's is the twofold way of pen and sword
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:02:00 - [49] Edited by: Sepherim on 09/11/2008 04:03:35 Originally by: Elias Modron We still have teeth. The Federation is not a push-over anymore. One would expect any one of the nations in the cluster to be able to defend themselves against a force four times smaller. And this is also the explanation for siege mode. When the enemy is running and in dissarray, and in such a smaller proportion, you don't need siege mode, they are already completely overwhelmed. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
BloodBird Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:14:00 - [50] quote=Hamish Grayson]We can thank the “strategic genius” of Tibus Heth for that. While the citizenship’s attention is focused on the milita squabbling over which name gets put on the map for that day, the Federation is preparing for a major assault on the State. I'd love to see your proof of this. And if you can't provide any proof, I'd kindly request you don't make silly statements like this. Originally by: Elias Modron We still have teeth. The Federation is not a push-over anymore. We have always had teeth, but they were not always this sharp. To be quite frank, anyone who considers or considered the Federation Navy weak and/or incompetent is seriously ignorant of facts. As for the theory that the Navy has something to do with this because they needed to "clear their name" or whatever, after the Caldari invasion; I say that's bull. Anyone with some brains will realize why the Federation was unable to oppose that invasion, the facts are readily available to anyone that look for them. Really, the only question here is now "would this have worked for the Kador's a few months back?" because the answer to that question is absolutely NO. The real question is: What possessed the Kador heir to embark on a military invasion of another state that was unsupported and doomed to fail? The answer to this can be so many things and I suspect that, as usually, we won't be told a thing unless anyone responsible steps up to offer answers. Sig source
Inara Subaka Caldari the united	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:14:00 - [51] I have to ask the Pilots here if they honestly believe this "invasion" force was unintentionally small. We have seen the size of a small portion of the Imperial Navy during the coronation ceremonies, this was a "drop in the bucket". This was merely a test, nothing more, nothing less. Kador with get a public reprimand (a slap on the wrist more than likely) while the Empire and the State has received valuable information. Inara starts to chuckle If this was a "great day" for the Federation's naval forces... Perhaps Sing Laison will be under State control sooner than I thought.
BloodBird Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:32:00 - [52] What you fail to realize, mistress Subaka, is that a portion of the Amarrian imperial fleet entered Federation space and died a swift and merciless death. No matter what the reasons might be, testing or not, this was a victory and a successful defense of Federation space. I for one is happy to know these kinds of things are being responded to, and that a portion of the Imperial fleet, regardless of size, won't bother us ever again. Dead men fire no lasers, pirate. Sig source
Myxx Gallente Domini Umbrus	Posted - 2008.11.09 06:40:00 - [53] Edited by: Myxx on 09/11/2008 06:42:08 Originally by: Inara Subaka Kador with get a public reprimand (a slap on the wrist more than likely) while the Empire and the State has received valuable information. If this was a "great day" for the Federation's naval forces... Perhaps Sing Laison will be under State control sooner than I thought. ill repeat myself, if only for you. As someone who used to fly for the navy, as most gallente pod pilots have.. Originally by: Myxx I'd be more worried of any retaliation against the empire now than anything. just because theres a public repremand does not mean it will not go unanswered. if anything, if i were the state, id look at pulling out of luminaire right about now. the federation is just giving the state and the empire enough rope to get arrogant with before they hang themselves in a rather embarassing way. just because they dont immediately retaliate doesnt mean it wont go without one somewhere down the line. Gallente are smart and dont mind taking time to exact horrible revenge. ---- Originally by: Tishlin Veredici CONCORD is like the UN. Their entire job is to do nothing until its too late. anything I say is my personal view, nothing is that of my corporation or its alli
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.09 08:59:00 - [54] Originally by: Dex Nederland Originally by: Polinus I just noticed something interesting in the footage. Both the revelation and the moros are MOVING while firing. As a dreadnaught pilot myself I must say this is unsettling. No serious dreadnaught pilot would fight out of siege mode. So could this be all a encenation? Simply WTF? Or this is all fake or the navies have downgraded so much their pilots training that neither side knew what the siege button was made for. Perhaps our ships are not as capable as those used by the empire Navies. Empire navies do NOT possess more advanced technology than the capsuleers. That is one of the main reason the empires fear us. We buy our blueprints directly from the same labs that develop them to the empire. And we can pay as much as the empires or sometimes more. The simple fact that capsuleers have far superior numbers on second generation ships (like vagabons, sacriledge, Vargur, Paladin) then the empires just makes this point stronger. In fact usually capsuleers possess the most advanced ships (although still in smaller numbers) Also considering that ALL warfare experience that all the current living and in service members of the 4 empires military forces is far far FAR smaller than the fighting experience of the unaligned capsuleers alliances put in high questioning the idea that they could judge better how to use a dreadnaught fleet. Almost all the experienced members end up on DED seems , since they are the only ones with constant combat experience. A simple advise to those military experts ... a simple battleship has far more firepower than a dreadnaught out of siege. So unless you were trying to show of an intrincated military parade with special effects, your tactics fail. Luckly for you Kador tacticians are even worse. People must stop living in the past! We are in the age where WAR is the realm of the capsuleers, the governments are secondary players on that realm and if they continue to show signs of stupidity like this "invasion" They might be showing themselves as pretty juicy easy target for some future super coalition of capsuleers. Myself, if i lived in Kadoir space woudl be worried now with the terrorist matari oriented capsuleer forces, that coudl seek to take proffit on the crippled defense condition of kador fleet.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.11.09 09:07:00 - [55] Originally by: Inara Subaka I have to ask the Pilots here if they honestly believe this "invasion" force was unintentionally small. We have seen the size of a small portion of the Imperial Navy during the coronation ceremonies, this was a "drop in the bucket". This was merely a test, nothing more, nothing less. Kador with get a public reprimand (a slap on the wrist more than likely) while the Empire and the State has received valuable information. Inara starts to chuckle If this was a "great day" for the Federation's naval forces... Perhaps Sing Laison will be under State control sooner than I thought. What utter tripe. Are you seriously suggesting that a demonstration of the ability to defend itself adeptly shows that the Federation is weak? I've seen impressive delusions in my time, but this one takes the cake. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Kretin Arnon Amarr Path of the Immortals	Posted - 2008.11.09 09:29:00 - [56] Edited by: Kretin Arnon on 09/11/2008 09:31:28 So the Federation pigs and Kador dogs are having a slug fest, whoopdidu... These sub-humans actions are of no matter and no interest to immortals as us. Like caged animals they run around in their confined little world where action has no consequence. Watch them like the beasts they are, but do not try to project their simplicity upon yourself. It is undignifying and a show of weakness in your character if you associate yourself with and put importance to events that has no relevance. We are the true rulers of this universe and our chosen paths decides its history. +--------------------------+ For now I sleep and watch
BloodBird Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2008.11.09 10:26:00 - [57] Originally by: Kretin Arnon Edited by: Kretin Arnon on 09/11/2008 09:31:28 So the Federation pigs and Kador dogs are having a slug fest, whoopdidu... These sub-humans actions are of no matter and no interest to immortals as us. Like caged animals they run around in their confined little world where action has no consequence. Watch them like the beasts they are, but do not try to project their simplicity upon yourself. It is undignifying and a show of weakness in your character if you associate yourself with and put importance to events that has no relevance. We are the true rulers of this universe and our chosen paths decides its history. Your utterly arrogent, foolish and simply naive oppinion has been noted. And ignored. Sig source
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:46:00 - [58] Originally by: Kretin Arnon Edited by: Kretin Arnon on 09/11/2008 09:31:28 So the Federation pigs and Kador dogs are having a slug fest, whoopdidu... These sub-humans actions are of no matter and no interest to immortals as us. Like caged animals they run around in their confined little world where action has no consequence. Watch them like the beasts they are, but do not try to project their simplicity upon yourself. It is undignifying and a show of weakness in your character if you associate yourself with and put importance to events that has no relevance. We are the true rulers of this universe and our chosen paths decides its history. Even so we are human beings, or at least as close to humans as possible, so we have obligations on moral field. Billions of innocent people may loose their lives if this start up a total war. Billions of incomplete lives. Billions of children deprived of the chance of finding their path in life and choose their own paths as you very well call of to. The military fighting there are not my concern, specially since a considerable quantity of them is immortal. But The civilians that will get slaughtered are. I really hop[e the Empress pulls the ears of the heirs and control them before they cause a disaster.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:57:00 - [59] Originally by: Inara Subaka I have to ask the Pilots here if they honestly believe this "invasion" force was unintentionally small. We have seen the size of a small portion of the Imperial Navy during the coronation ceremonies, this was a "drop in the bucket". This was merely a test, nothing more, nothing less. Kador with get a public reprimand (a slap on the wrist more than likely) while the Empire and the State has received valuable information. Inara starts to chuckle If this was a "great day" for the Federation's naval forces... Perhaps Sing Laison will be under State control sooner than I thought. Ammar military doctrine calls for acting in a swift and direct way. Probing and faking attacks is considered lowly tactics (and associated with the minmatar therefore on the ammar doctrine eyes). Ammar commanders do not think on these terms and that is what allowed us to rebel and take freedom. Also if you think the response force of the gallenteans are anything more than a TOKEN of their main fleet youa re utterly mistaken. Gallente economy is more than twofold the ammar Empire economy and would be very unlikely that after luminarie incident the gallente navy were not boosted to match ammar navy numbers. This would not be even a chalange to gallente economy. The only thing that prevents gallente from reaching utter military supremacy is their nature as a people that prevent much of a focus on an aggressive stance, causing civilian problems if forced upon. That limits the ammount of manpower gallente society can put into direct conflict. But if gallente president is smart, and I am sure he is, he would have noticed that they have a group of allies that would have no moral, or social complications preventing a massive dedication of the manpower into warfare... an ally that just need ships... an ally than when supplied with material have kicked even the mighty concord on their balls.
Chris Liath Gallente Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.11.09 12:06:00 - [60] Originally by: Inara Subaka I have to ask the Pilots here if they honestly believe this "invasion" force was unintentionally small. We have seen the size of a small portion of the Imperial Navy during the coronation ceremonies, this was a "drop in the bucket". This was merely a test, nothing more, nothing less. Kador with get a public reprimand (a slap on the wrist more than likely) while the Empire and the State has received valuable information. Inara starts to chuckle If this was a "great day" for the Federation's naval forces... Perhaps Sing Laison will be under State control sooner than I thought. Mrs. Subaka, do you read the news? The coronation ceremony flexed a lot of military muscle indeed, but the amarr empire denied any affiliation with this incident, as it was Kador and Kador alone who did this. "Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

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