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Louella Dougans Amarr D. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.11.08 12:25:00 - [1] It seems Uriam Kador is in command of a fleet that has entered the Federation to attack Ratillose. What does this mean? Mother disapproves of my lifestyle
Zagamesh Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.11.08 12:59:00 - [2] It means numerous Amarrians getting a one-way ticket to meet their God as a consequence of invading Federal territory. Unfortunate for them that they thought the Federation is the same Federation that it was five months ago.
BloodBird Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2008.11.08 12:59:00 - [3] Edited by: BloodBird on 08/11/2008 13:02:07 As of this post, it seems the Federation have counter-attacked and obliterated the invading forces, what's left of them are running back home, in total disarray. Whatever Kador tried to do, he has apparently failed to do so, unless there is some hidden motive or desired outcome. I don't know much of what it would mean, other than souring relations, but I have a few theories to what might have happened. Uriam Kador have, at least reportedly, been a very Federation-friendly heir. Out of all the Holders and heirs he might have been the one with the greatest potential to bridge a peace-treaty or at least a cease-fire agreement. Now that he's thrown his forces at the nation he has reportedly liked or at least respected in past, any such hope or solution is likely lost. Who knows why he did it, he might just have acted under orders, being promised back-up, back-up that never showed up, thus dooming his efforts and possibly killing him. If this is the case it begs the question why he was not supported and what who-ever asked him to attack could gain by cutting him off. Then again, if he really did go rogue and invaded on a whim I've got to say he's made a very dreadful error of judgment, underestimating the Federation and paying the price for doing so. I think we will hear in not to long what might have happened to Kador himself. I hope he's still alive so we might get some answers to this puzzle. Originally by: Zagamesh It means numerous Amarrians getting a one-way ticket to meet their God as a consequence of invading Federal territory. Unfortunate for them that they thought the Federation is the same Federation that it was five months ago. If they had done this five months ago the results would have been exactly the same, perhaps only a bit slower. Invading anyone's territory at random without backing from your own government and being outnumbered 4 ot 1 is usually a very, very dumb move. Sig source
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.08 13:16:00 - [4] Originally by: Louella Dougans What does this mean? Sweetheart, it means that it's probably time to end your little teenage adventure with the Federal Defence Union, and go home. Because, now, those smutty young militiamen that poke fun at your hair and cause your mother such concern, will now be having more deviant thoughts, possibly involving "reprisals against the Amarrians" and other fantasies. Yes. Yes, I am.
Zagamesh Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.11.08 13:22:00 - [5] Originally by: BloodBird If they had done this five months ago the results would have been exactly the same, perhaps only a bit slower. Invading anyone's territory at random without backing from your own government and being outnumbered 4 ot 1 is usually a very, very dumb move. It would have been an impossibility to mount a successful counter-attack when most of the Federal Navy was sitting idle in mothballs due to budget cutbacks. The success of the Federal Navy today in routing the Amarrians is a direct consequence of intelligent and wise policy in regards to defense spending after the invasion of Luminaire.
BloodBird Gallente Duty.	Posted - 2008.11.08 13:29:00 - [6] If you say so Zagamesh; if you say so. Frankly I have my own oppinion on this but I'm not interested in a long arguemnt that don't go anywhere. Regardless of our arguing or lack there-of, facts remain; An Amarrian fleet invaded Federation space and were... punished, for their tresspassing. I hope this serves as a reminder or a wake-up call for anyone, especially the ones among the Caldari that think the Federation Navy weak and easily defeated. Sig source
Louella Dougans Amarr D. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.11.08 13:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Shirley Serious those smutty young militiamen that poke fun at your hair and cause your mother such concern, will now be having more deviant thoughts, possibly involving "reprisals against the Amarrians" and other fantasies. Shut up. You're not funny. And you have poor taste in shoes. Mother disapproves of my lifestyle
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.11.08 13:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Zagamesh It means numerous Amarrians getting a one-way ticket to meet their God as a consequence of invading Federal territory. Unfortunate for them that they thought the Federation is the same Federation that it was five months ago. I can't believe I'm saying it, but: this, actually.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.08 14:26:00 - [9] Originally by: Louella Dougans Shut up. You're not funny. And you have poor taste in shoes. You kiss your mother with that mouth? I see the FDU has taught you insolence, girl. Yes. Yes, I am.
Dex Nederland Caldari Lai Dai Infinity Systems	Posted - 2008.11.08 14:28:00 - [10] Originally by: BloodBird Regardless of our arguing or lack there-of, facts remain; An Amarrian fleet invaded Federation space and were... punished, for their tresspassing. I hope this serves as a reminder or a wake-up call for anyone, especially the ones among the Caldari that think the Federation Navy weak and easily defeated. We have yet to see a pursuit of Kador's forces into Amarr space. A conspiracy theorist might argue that the Federation contacted Kador through back channels to attempt a strike in order for the FN to demonstrate its increased capability and responsiveness. The FN was disgraced by its inability to respond to the State's liberation of Caldari Prime; Kador's 'probing' action provides the FN with the opportunity to demonstrate it is not unable to defend the Federation and has corrected its internal problems. I will not be surprised if we see more independent actions by internal factions within every empire. Founder Heiian Society
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.11.08 15:06:00 - [11] The fact that this invasion by Kador forces comes exactly one week after a state visit by Royal Heir Catiz Tash-Murkon to the Kador region strikes me as more than coincidence. Such a visit is a rare occasion and was moved forward four weeks at the request of Catiz Tash-Murkon herself. Either these heirs are plotting something themselves or, more likely in my opinion, the Empress is using them to probe Federation defences whilst allowing her to deny any official involvement. -- * Brace for Impact! *
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.11.08 15:06:00 - [12] Edited by: Sepherim on 08/11/2008 15:07:21 Originally by: Dex Nederland We have yet to see a pursuit of Kador's forces into Amarr space. A conspiracy theorist might argue that the Federation contacted Kador through back channels to attempt a strike in order for the FN to demonstrate its increased capability and responsiveness. The FN was disgraced by its inability to respond to the State's liberation of Caldari Prime; Kador's 'probing' action provides the FN with the opportunity to demonstrate it is not unable to defend the Federation and has corrected its internal problems. Maybe you are right Mr Nederland, but I can't help but remember the case of that Gallente admiral that went rogue and slammed his ship into a Caldari station. He had always been known to be pro-peace between the Caldari and Gallente, and yet, he ended up igniting the war. No proofs have been found on why he did that, he just did. To some extent, the present case shows too many things in common with that unfortunate moment. Quote: I will not be surprised if we see more independent actions by internal factions within every empire. That is probable, indeed, this war action by Lord Kador has opened up a big can of worms of dark possibilities. I wonder if Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon could shed some light on this? Afterall, she met with Lord Kador not too long ago. Maybe she sensed or saw something? Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Sorom Ydde Gallente The Keepers of Voluspa	Posted - 2008.11.08 15:39:00 - [13] Our decisive victory against Kador's invasion is another grand success for the Federation. Though we are surrounded by enemies we will defend ourselves, our country, and most importantly our people, even unto the ending of the world. There are those who said the Federation is weak because we do not aggressively attack our neighbors and seek glory from conquest, what are they to say now?
Einar Goaler Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.11.08 15:49:00 - [14] I say new high priestess Jammy Syrup (holiest of holy and highest rollers) is cleaning house. This dude was probably to chummy with the Gallente for her god(s) endowed liking. Or...he got butthurt by getting turned down by that little gallente cutie for having a teensy...armageddon
Louella Dougans Amarr D. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.11.08 15:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Shirley Serious I see the FDU has taught you insolence, girl. Has the Academy taught you morals yet? Or are you still preying upon all the young men, and women, that catch your eye? I wish Grandfather had never married your aunt, then we wouldnt be related. Mother disapproves of my lifestyle
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.11.08 16:17:00 - [16] Edited by: Andreus Ixiris on 08/11/2008 16:17:49 Mixed Metaphor stands in full support of the Federal Navy's actions against this savage and unprovoked attack by the Kador agressors, and offers its congratulations on the utter rout it delivered to the Amarr forces. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Sahaquiel Faust Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.11.08 16:22:00 - [17] So Kadors.... WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW? -----
Sahaquiel Faust Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.11.08 16:30:00 - [18] I would like to point out that a Federation Navy incursion into Amarr space would be unnecessary given that the Ministry of War has almost immediately distanced itself from the actions of the Kador Fleet. I remain confident that the Empire will take disciplinary action against the Kadors for this of it's own accord and needs no encouragement. -----
A Soporific Caldari Venom Pointe Industries	Posted - 2008.11.08 16:40:00 - [19] I don't understand at all. At this point, I am just very confused by all of this. Maybe more information would be coming out in the next few days that would allow us put some sort of context to these events. Still, I am beginning to see some patterns here. Maybe that context would provide more pieces to the puzzle that I'm trying to put together.
Julianus Soter Gallente The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.08 16:56:00 - [20] I congratulate the swift and decisive rebuke of the Kador fleet by Admiral Ranchel his captains. --- This post is not the official statement of my alliance or corporation.
Shirley Serious Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.11.08 16:59:00 - [21] Originally by: Louella Dougans Has the Academy taught you morals yet? Or are you still preying upon all the young men, and women, that catch your eye? I wish Grandfather had never married your aunt, then we wouldnt be related. You're a poisonous little bitch, aren't you? I'd say you got it from your father, but of course, you don't know who he is, so that would be conjecture. Yes. Yes, I am.
Avel Kereka Amarr Manu Dei	Posted - 2008.11.08 18:13:00 - [22] Don't be too proud of yourselves, an operation with 4:1 odds has an objective other than victory. ------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal And I lube you guys too.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Mixed Metaphor	Posted - 2008.11.08 18:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Avel Kereka Don't be too proud of yourselves, an operation with 4:1 odds has an objective other than victory. I think the objective was plainly evident - kicking the Kador fleet out of Gallente space, where it had absolutely no business being. ----- CEO, Mixed Metaphor Dance Commander
Sepherim Amarr Ordo Quaesitoris	Posted - 2008.11.08 18:34:00 - [24] Mr Ixiris, Mr Keraka wasn't referring to the objective of the Gallente fleet. That one is pretty obvious. What matters here is the objective Lord Kador was pursuing. He is no stupid, and he knows each House on its own is no match for the Gallente Navy. Which doesn't necessarily mean he has failed, as we all ignore what his objective was. Ordo Quaesitoris Forum
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.11.08 19:16:00 - [25] After seen the scope footage of the fighting I must say.. poor reporters. In the right place for the story of their lives and in the wrong place to be obliterated by a gallente titan alongside the kador navy.
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.11.08 19:32:00 - [26] Originally by: Julianus Soter I congratulate the swift and decisive rebuke of the Kador fleet by Admiral Ranchel his captains. Seconded. If anything, good to know the Navy has a backbone again. I was asleep when it happened but the Scope and every other Gallente news network are going nuts. The video feed hasn't been linked into their archive yet but ought to be soon. Praise for the Navy's fast response is a prevailing theme, no one has any clues about Kador's motive - what in his god's name was he thinking? ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Faraelle Brightman Gallente Placid Reborn	Posted - 2008.11.08 19:38:00 - [27] Originally by: Seishomaru After seen the scope footage of the fighting I must say.. poor reporters. In the right place for the story of their lives and in the wrong place to be obliterated by a gallente titan alongside the kador navy. There were no reports of a doomsday weapon being fired - neither the Scope nor the ISD would have omited that detail if one had. The media shuttles and camera drones the Scope reporters use are also small and nimble enough to be missed by stray crossfire. I've heard people saying that the live video got intrupted for about 20 seconds by what they're calling "random interfearance". ----------------------- "Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies."
Seishomaru	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:00:00 - [28] Edited by: Seishomaru on 08/11/2008 20:01:22 Originally by: Faraelle Brightman Originally by: Seishomaru After seen the scope footage of the fighting I must say.. poor reporters. In the right place for the story of their lives and in the wrong place to be obliterated by a gallente titan alongside the kador navy. There were no reports of a doomsday weapon being fired - neither the Scope nor the ISD would have omited that detail if one had. The media shuttles and camera drones the Scope reporters use are also small and nimble enough to be missed by stray crossfire. I've heard people saying that the live video got intrupted for about 20 seconds by what they're calling "random interfearance". I think you misssed the very last secodn of the scope broadcast.... everyone that have ever seen an Erebus fire its DD recognize that growing black cloud Scope footage copy at civilian networks.
Bob Stuart D. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:02:00 - [29] Quafe. It's about Quafe. There are substantial Quafe Corporation assets located in Tash-Murkon. Should a war break out between the Federation and the Empire, those assets are vulnerable. Catiz Tash-Murkon would be within her rights to seize them. There are also substantial Federation owned assets in Kador. I think that as part of a conspiracy involving Catiz Tash-Murkon, and the Federal Intelligence Office, I suspect Uriam Kador launched this raid to stymie any real plans by the Ministry of War to actually invade. In return, Quafe Corp/FIO is going to pay off Catiz and Uriam. Who benefits? Fed Navy looks good, instead of bumbling incompetents. Uriam looks like a patriotic, if foolhardy True Amarr, whereas previously he was suspected of being almost Gallente in his tastes. Catiz gets richer, and we all know she is a material girl. It's a setup!
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.08 20:18:00 - [30] Originally by: Bob Stuart Quafe. It's about Quafe. There are substantial Quafe Corporation assets located in Tash-Murkon. Should a war break out between the Federation and the Empire, those assets are vulnerable. Catiz Tash-Murkon would be within her rights to seize them. There are also substantial Federation owned assets in Kador. I think that as part of a conspiracy involving Catiz Tash-Murkon, and the Federal Intelligence Office, I suspect Uriam Kador launched this raid to stymie any real plans by the Ministry of War to actually invade. In return, Quafe Corp/FIO is going to pay off Catiz and Uriam. Who benefits? Fed Navy looks good, instead of bumbling incompetents. Uriam looks like a patriotic, if foolhardy True Amarr, whereas previously he was suspected of being almost Gallente in his tastes. Catiz gets richer, and we all know she is a material girl. It's a setup! A bit too many lives cost for a simple setup don't ya think? What i wonder is how defenseless because Kador space. Will empress fleet move in to cover the power vacuum left after that navy got so heavily hurt? Or will it let stay open to a possible exploit attack by maybe new Elder forces ( don 't doubts they would love to have chance to put their hands of a few more enslaved worlds).

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