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Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:14:00 - [61] Originally by: Le Skunk Your post dosent make any sense. People whooping and fainting in the isles when a dude tells them they can bolt a fin on their rifter are faintly comical and deserving of e-mockery. As for you please return to posting wholesale gushing endorsements of how everything CCP does is just great( "WHY CCP WERE RIGHT TO **** IN MY SANDWICH!", "HOW CAN I PAY CCP MORE FOR THEIR HIGH QUALITY DUMPS?" and "SO LONG, AND THANKS FOR ALL THE TERDS?") and the devs are cooler then jesus, as you slime out of bed each morning hoping CCP have sent you that little email about a job which you begged for in your sig for fully 1 year. Grovel on... SKUNK LOL @ moron bagging the game, the company, the players.... while he pays for the privilege. Get lost.
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:16:00 - [62] On topic: I hope these customisation options are given to manufacturers, not pilots. Of course, pilots could still build their own but this seems like a great opportunity to introduce proper crafting.
Dez Affinity Evocati.	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:16:00 - [63] Originally by: Tiirae Originally by: Le Skunk Your post dosent make any sense. People whooping and fainting in the isles when a dude tells them they can bolt a fin on their rifter are faintly comical and deserving of e-mockery. As for you please return to posting wholesale gushing endorsements of how everything CCP does is just great( "WHY CCP WERE RIGHT TO ** IN MY SANDWICH!", "HOW CAN I PAY CCP MORE FOR THEIR HIGH QUALITY DUMPS?" and "SO LONG, AND THANKS FOR ALL THE TERDS?") and the devs are cooler then jesus, as you slime out of bed each morning hoping CCP have sent you that little email about a job which you begged for in your sig for fully 1 year. Grovel on... SKUNK LOL @ moron bagging the game, the company, the players.... while he pays for the privilege. Get lost. No he is bagging the mindless idiots who will defend CCP even if CCP chopped their *****s off _______________
Amy Crest COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:31:00 - [64] While this has an enormous potential for fun, and something that WILL make you look at your mate's ship, not just a bracket in space with a "cerberus" or "Rokh" name beside it, This pose two major questions: - Overall balance, likely being even more nightmarish - How this will affect performance, as far as lag (more infos to transmit between cliend and server), and graphical lag (more models to keep in memory, and custom color? alliance tag?...
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:36:00 - [65] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/11/2008 20:29:55 Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 08/11/2008 20:18:21 Originally by: Le Skunk Standing ovations for internet spaceships ffs. Get a grip . Also swearing in presentations does not necessitate laughing EVERY TIME. EVE ROCKS MAN!!! WHOOP!!! HI FIVES FAT GUY NEXT TO ME HOLLAR!!!!! YEAH PUNCHS AIR SKUNK wow your like a nerd, even to nerds. congratulations on your new found stats. that said I wouldn't be jumping up and down either but only a twt brings it up. Your post dosent make any sense. People whooping and fainting in the isles when a dude tells them they can bolt a fin on their rifter are faintly comical and deserving of e-mockery. As for you please return to posting wholesale gushing endorsements of how everything CCP does is just great( "WHY CCP WERE RIGHT TO *** IN MY SANDWICH!", "HOW CAN I PAY CCP MORE FOR THEIR HIGH QUALITY DUMPS?" and "SO LONG, AND THANKS FOR ALL THE TERDS?") and the devs are cooler then jesus, as you slime out of bed each morning hoping CCP have sent you that little email about a job which you begged for in your sig for fully 1 year. Grovel on... SKUNK LOL owned, I love you skunk <3 !
Ris Dnalor Minmatar Ex Cruoris Libertas	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:43:00 - [66] Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 08/11/2008 21:46:01 Originally by: Roy Batty68 Edited by: Roy Batty68 on 08/11/2008 20:50:33 The important bits as declared by me (and that's all that matters): - T3 ships sounds like an epic can of worms in the balance department - calling it now; the future whining about the ZeroSigSensorDampingLazo**age IWin button (or whatever it turns out to be) will put the nano whines of the past to shame. - With all the different combinations of bits resulting in an ungodly number of variations, then throw on top of that the different load-outs possible with mods, how the hell are we going to name all these ships?** -- The MissleSpammerCloakyGravcoreArmorChunkinator? -- So much for the simple Neutdomi scheme, eh? - I imagine Gripen's "Oh, my EFT-backbone" reaction was probably a kodak moment - It should be pretty damn cool regardless they'll be easy to name as the eve-players, true to form, will in short order reduce the multitude of flavors down to a half dozen or less truly shiny combinations which will be promptly nerfed, thus keeping the training cycle fresh, as eve ever does, by then forcing people to train for ever-so-slightly-less-shiny combinations which will then enter the scene... wash rinse repeat... fortunes will be made and lost speculating as to which ones will catch on and which ones will not... I don't like the idea because it's a tease. I don't like getting used to something then having it taken away because it's not balanced. It's like having your favorite toy thrown in the trash. I wish they would not go further down the path of allowing things to self-correct, but such is the way of things for eve and ccp.
Oftherocks Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:48:00 - [67] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 08/11/2008 20:29:55 Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 08/11/2008 20:18:21 Originally by: Le Skunk Standing ovations for internet spaceships ffs. Get a grip . Also swearing in presentations does not necessitate laughing EVERY TIME. EVE ROCKS MAN!!! WHOOP!!! HI FIVES FAT GUY NEXT TO ME HOLLAR!!!!! YEAH PUNCHS AIR SKUNK wow your like a nerd, even to nerds. congratulations on your new found stats. that said I wouldn't be jumping up and down either but only a twt brings it up. Your post dosent make any sense. People whooping and fainting in the isles when a dude tells them they can bolt a fin on their rifter are faintly comical and deserving of e-mockery. As for you please return to posting wholesale gushing endorsements of how everything CCP does is just great( "WHY CCP WERE RIGHT TO *** IN MY SANDWICH!", "HOW CAN I PAY CCP MORE FOR THEIR HIGH QUALITY DUMPS?" and "SO LONG, AND THANKS FOR ALL THE TERDS?") and the devs are cooler then jesus, as you slime out of bed each morning hoping CCP have sent you that little email about a job which you begged for in your sig for fully 1 year. Grovel on... SKUNK Nice. Epic Burn. stands up and HI FIVES Le Skunk
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Ris Dnalor they'll be easy to name as the eve-players, true to form, will in short order reduce the multitude of flavors down to a half dozen or less truly shiny combinations which will be promptly nerfed, thus keeping the training cycle fresh, as eve ever does, by then forcing people to train for ever-so-slightly-less-shiny combinations which will then enter the scene... wash rinse repeat... fortunes will be made and lost speculating as to which ones will catch on and which ones will not... I don't like the idea because it's a tease. I don't like getting used to something then having it taken away because it's not balanced. It's like having your favorite toy thrown in the trash. I wish they would not go further down the path of allowing things to self-correct, but such is the way of things for eve and ccp. Well you have to admit that if they really do go down this path for an expansion, testing it will be a real nightmare. Exponential logical paths. Missing something overpowered is basically inevitable. Not nerfing it once it's found just because it's someones favorite toy would be wrong for the game as a whole. /shrug Par for the MMO course. ----
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2008.11.08 21:59:00 - [69] Originally by: Tiirae LOL @ moron bagging the game, the company, the players.... while he pays for the privilege. Get lost. Im bagging(??) the current evil forces in control of CCP (not the whole company) and indeed the small percentage of whopping overexcited sweaty nerds lapping up like mana from heaven shoddy half finished graphics of a rotating ship. The game itself is very good as I have said many times. Hence why I play it. DESPITE the above.. not because. SKUNK Originally by: CCP Navigator People who think I am joking or talking big are going to understand very quickly that there will be order
arbiter reformed	Posted - 2008.11.08 22:06:00 - [70] awww i wanted to put a vagina on my abso Signature removed as it was stretching the forums. Navigator
Jas Dor Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.08 22:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Necrosmith Originally by: silent uk Basically i think the idea is to have a base structure, say, hull, you then can choose the propulsion you want, and everything else, etc... So its Spore meets Eve! Ya, but Spore blows on an epic scale... I'm not that worried. Pen and Paper RPG's have been dealing with ship customization for literally decades. As long as whomever is doing this has a copy of Traveller (and edition but Mega), Fire Fusion & Steel, GURPS Vehicles and GURPS Space they probably have scene enough of how others do it not to make any horrible mistakes. TBH Rigs always felt like something initially designed by White Wolf, this does also. Names, Dates, Times, Engagements, Losses, Op-Tempo or STFU!
Butzew SRBI Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2008.11.08 22:19:00 - [72] Edited by: Butzew on 08/11/2008 22:20:04 Originally by: Roy Batty68 Edited by: Roy Batty68 on 08/11/2008 20:50:33 The important bits as declared by me (and that's all that matters): - T3 ships sounds like an epic can of worms in the balance department - calling it now; the future whining about the ZeroSigSensorDampingLazo****age IWin button (or whatever it turns out to be) will put the nano whines of the past to shame. - With all the different combinations of bits resulting in an ungodly number of variations, then throw on top of that the different load-outs possible with mods, how the hell are we going to name all these ships? -- The MissleSpammerCloakyGravcoreArmorChunkinator? -- So much for the simple Neutdomi scheme, eh? - I imagine Gripen's "Oh, my EFT-backbone" reaction was probably a kodak moment - It should be pretty damn cool regardless i feel for all the fc's out there, calling those new ships as targets and learning who is a bigger threat .... edit: spelling misstakes ftw :D
steveid Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.11.08 22:45:00 - [73] the difficult thing with this is out of god knows how many different combinations there will be maybe 3 or 4 ships that kick all others assess
Orb Lati Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.08 22:52:00 - [74] Well the simplest way to balance it is the OMGWTF overpower combinations will be default look butt ugly. "We worship Strength because it is through strength that all other values are made possible"
Manos Malos	Posted - 2008.11.08 22:56:00 - [75] Originally by: MotherMoon will they give good insurance? Are you kidding? Insurance? Tech 3?
Captain Falcord Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.11.08 23:08:00 - [76] Originally by: Manos Malos Originally by: MotherMoon will they give good insurance? Are you kidding? Insurance? Tech 3? It will probably be negative. That is, you pay for your ship, and when you lose it, you have to cough up it's worth again. ---<---@ JackFalcord
Cat Molina Minmatar Psychotic Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.09 00:53:00 - [77] CCP generally plays it safe when assigning ship stats these days (BlackOps anyone? ) I'd be willing to bet these ships will be somewhat inferior to standard classes unless heavily specialized for a specific role. But even if it does produce crap stats and sub-par craft... I like designing ships. Hell, it's more interesting than Ambulation.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.09 00:59:00 - [78] Originally by: Cat Molina But even if it does produce crap stats and sub-par craft... I like designing ships. Hell, it's more interesting than Ambulation. Oh, yes. That's why I'm ignoring all the upcoming balance issues and saying its a good idea. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
icynohere	Posted - 2008.11.09 01:12:00 - [79] any mention of how they are gonna be made? im imagining some sort of invention process for each ship part. im also imagining how unbelievably expencive these things are gonna be if u need to get the bits from exploration. repeat of rigs and invention datainterfaces me thinks.
Slash Harnet Minmatar Fire Mandrill	Posted - 2008.11.09 01:20:00 - [80] We gonna be able to mix different race's parts together a la current pirate ships?
Chiralos Epitoth Fleetyards	Posted - 2008.11.09 02:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Jas Dor I'm not that worried. Pen and Paper RPG's have been dealing with ship customization for literally decades. As long as whomever is doing this has a copy of Traveller (and edition but Mega), Fire Fusion & Steel, GURPS Vehicles and GURPS Space they probably have scene enough of how others do it not to make any horrible mistakes. This. And the fact that CCP has already gone through the painful process of losing control of DPS and ship speed and having to correct them. Whatever rules they come up with, they could be applied "backwards" to the existing designs: it might actually become easier to balance a fixed-size set of ship construction rules, rather than try to keep an ever-expanding roster of ships and modules individually balanced. Amarr Victor.
Daan Sai Polytrope	Posted - 2008.11.09 02:49:00 - [82] Originally by: icynohere im also imagining how unbelievably expencive these things are gonna be if u need to get the bits from exploration. repeat of rigs and invention datainterfaces me thinks. After the complete FAILBOAT of the augmented and integrated drones deployment through an exploration mechanism, this is a huge worry. Also, large alliances are going to be able to move into W-space and lock down the best bits (like the high end moons). I really hope they are looking at making the distribution of T3 high volume and hard to choke off, otherwise it will just become a private toy of the big alliance power blocks.
Lurks Amarr ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:20:00 - [83] Tech 3 reminds me of this.... T3 Bling Bling Kudos to WinterBlink
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:30:00 - [84] Originally by: Oftherocks Nice. Epic Burn. stands up and HI FIVES Le Skunk lol That is exactly what he was whining about. So you just probably made him lose faith in humanity with your post.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.09 04:45:00 - [85] Edited by: Verx Interis on 09/11/2008 04:55:23 I predict a large quantity of flying ***es. Because we obviously don't have enough already. Also like to add, this will making calling targets an incredible *** if people go around in all t3 ships FC's train of thought: [Primary is... wait what do these do.. Okay that one has lasers... which one.. should... I.. shoot.. Uh...] People on TS: "Call a primary!!" [Is that one doing a lot of damage? Sure why not..] "Primary is.. oh wait we're all dead. Nevermind" --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Meister75th Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.11.09 05:01:00 - [86] Originally by: Verx Interis Edited by: Verx Interis on 09/11/2008 04:55:23 I predict a large quantity of flying ***es. Because we obviously don't have enough already. Also like to add, this will making calling targets an incredible *** if people go around in all t3 ships FC's train of thought: [Primary is... wait what do these do.. Okay that one has lasers... which one.. should... I.. shoot.. Uh...] People on TS: "Call a primary!!" [Is that one doing a lot of damage? Sure why not..] "Primary is.. oh wait we're all dead. Nevermind" Maybe it'll actually make skirmish warfare a thing that can actually happen if true primaries cant be called other than looking at a characters name and his distance from the fleet.
Aloriana Jacques Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2008.11.09 05:14:00 - [87] Originally by: Verx Interis I predict a large quantity of flying ***es. Because we obviously don't have enough already. Also like to add, this will making calling targets an incredible *** if people go around in all t3 ships FC's train of thought: [Primary is... wait what do these do.. Okay that one has lasers... which one.. should... I.. shoot.. Uh...] People on TS: "Call a primary!!" [Is that one doing a lot of damage? Sure why not..] "Primary is.. oh wait we're all dead. Nevermind" I don't think it'll be quite that bad. What we've seen is a single model of ship capable of being moded to an extent. So people who are create/have the ISK will specialise their ships to do certain tasks, or be a jack of all trades-master of none. But the ships still seem like they're carry the same feel as any other ship. Caldari will be missles and shields primarily, Amarr will be lasers and tanks, etc. I'm sure that once we're actually given information and stats on the pieces, and what sort of min-maxing can be done, how hard it'll be to do, how difficult/expensive it'll be to get, how common they'll be, etc. So for now it's best to calm down, take a deep breath, and try not to speculate the downfall of EVE. ^_^; - - - Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
Joss Sparq Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.09 05:16:00 - [88] Originally by: Tippia Edited by: Tippia on 08/11/2008 15:57:42 Originally by: ApaKaka Originally by: Jason Edwards are no ships. You use parts to redesign the current ships. So they're.. uh.. rigs? Anyone care to explain? No. They're ship parts. You pick nose, tail, guts, top wingy bit from a set of different parts and stick them together, LEGO-wise, to create the final ship. Depending on what parts you pick, you get different stats, fittings, younameit. They're talking about 5 different sections, 5 variations in each ù 3125 combinations totalà per race. It may be lowered later due to tech and balance constraints And I give it a week after release until the Min-Max crowd have configured the latest FOTM and everyone is shouting "IMBALANCE!" on the Forums ... ... also known as business as usual.
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.09 05:33:00 - [89] Originally by: Aloriana Jacques Originally by: Verx Interis I predict a large quantity of flying ***es. Because we obviously don't have enough already. Also like to add, this will making calling targets an incredible *** if people go around in all t3 ships FC's train of thought: [Primary is... wait what do these do.. Okay that one has lasers... which one.. should... I.. shoot.. Uh...] People on TS: "Call a primary!!" [Is that one doing a lot of damage? Sure why not..] "Primary is.. oh wait we're all dead. Nevermind" I don't think it'll be quite that bad. What we've seen is a single model of ship capable of being moded to an extent. So people who are create/have the ISK will specialise their ships to do certain tasks, or be a jack of all trades-master of none. But the ships still seem like they're carry the same feel as any other ship. Caldari will be missles and shields primarily, Amarr will be lasers and tanks, etc. I'm sure that once we're actually given information and stats on the pieces, and what sort of min-maxing can be done, how hard it'll be to do, how difficult/expensive it'll be to get, how common they'll be, etc. So for now it's best to calm down, take a deep breath, and try not to speculate the downfall of EVE. ^_^; I don't think it'd be the downfall. Personally I think it'd make FCing much more interesting. The thing is, just knowning if Amarr uses lasers or Caldari missiles doesn't change much. A Raven and a Scorpion both use missiles, but which do you primary first? The Scorpion, of course. I guess FCing will now mean you have to know what all those different sections do. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Zyck KDS Navy	Posted - 2008.11.09 05:34:00 - [90] Anyone have info the wormholes they were talking about? Can't find any at the moment and want to know what the deal is with those. -Zyck

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