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Stigmatias
Gallente
SIEGE.
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:52:00 -
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In this day and age with T1 and T2's defined ship types and classes you pretty much know what your up against and use that information to construct a way to defeat the ship. But how are we going to be able to even know what it is that we are fighting? Could this thing have the capabilities to launch 5 Ogre 2s or have 7 medium lasers? At least now you know that these are the fittings of a domi and harbinger. I'm not saying T3 is a bad idea, far from it. But there's gotta be a streamline way to determine what a ship does. Any opinions?
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:53:00 -
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Yeah, get a volunteer to find out.
(or you could scan the ship).
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DasDizzy
x13
X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:54:00 -
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with enough firepower, anything can be shot down
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Kaar
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:55:00 -
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nerf t3 tbh
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Illwill Bill
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:55:00 -
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Warp core stabilizers. Lots of them.
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Ticondrius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:57:00 -
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From a logic standpoint, components will have to belong to a ship class, like frigate components for frigs and destroyers, cruiser parts for cruisers and Battlecruisers...ecetera.
Also, how do you ID a ship now? By it's picture? I don't. I view it's info, which tells me quite a lot about the ship. I can only imagine it will give some idea of what the ship is in that window.
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Kweel Nakashyn
Minmatar
Aeden
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Posted - 2008.11.08 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kweel Nakashyn on 08/11/2008 21:57:53
Exactly what I was thinking.
What is the usual answer to a "Hostile spotted !" sent on a corp's TS ?
It's "Shiptype ?"
The problem is that simple.
Everyone is very enthousiastic to the changes, I guess but will the gang nanotank ? Pure DPS ?
People will throw ships at these without knowing how to counter them. It's a strange gameplay decision...
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Crackzilla
The Shadow Order
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Kweel Nakashyn
People will throw ships at these without knowing how to counter them. It's a strange gameplay decision...
Why? It happens now.
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Stigmatias
Gallente
SIEGE.
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:01:00 -
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Also are there going to be frigate, cruiser, battleship and so on variants? From the video it seems that there just 5*5=25 parts. What do these even make?
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Foruman
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:03:00 -
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people already whining about t3 ships?
lol
Have you been high today?
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:04:00 -
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Some uncertainty in pvp is good.
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Gnomes Rock
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:04:00 -
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(Most) PvPers won't be able to make their own, so it's easy enough to believe that some ship combinations will rise and become recognizable because of their effectiveness, just like nearly all rigs except like 9 suck at the moment, and like you can guess what a ship is gunna be fitted.
It'll be weird to see industrialists start mass proudcing signature ship types that excel, so that they can build a pretty good reputation. Ofocurse this will depend on how much information a t3 ship gives about the components used to make it.. |
Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Stigmatias
Any opinions?
1) What the hell is the scanner going to return for ship type?
Name Type
Frankenstein VexStabExeqCaraOmen
2) Guess we'll have to zoom cameras in for a change to have a look at the bits?
"Ah, he has the phat-azz backend so he can probably scoot pretty fast. His midsection is pretty small which means less mid slots... armor tanker? Front end has all those antenna and pointy things, which means ewar is likely. No foredeck area to speak of, so drones are very limited to none".
Maybe?
3) They will probably NOT allow us to mix and match between racial lego parts, keeping things limited to the current overall racial flavors.
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Ticondrius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:14:00 -
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Yes, I saw the same 5*5 25 parts as you, but logic dictates that there are components for each class of ship, just as there are small, medium and large guns. Why? Imagine if the frigate parts took the same materials to build as the battleship parts? If that's a lot, who would bother with the frigates? If it's not many at all, who would bother with T1/2 battleships if they can buy a T3 BS for a song?
You get the point.
Just because they've showed us 25 parts does it mean that's all of them, and TBH, those images looked like cruisers and cruiser parts.
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Gaius Vavarian
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Stigmatias
How do you counter T3 ships in PVP?
With a blob of T3 ships, obviously.
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Mynxee
Hellcats
Doom Armada
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:15:00 -
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Far as I'm concerned, this is one of the most exciting changes coming. I'm pretty jazzed about ambulation, but being able to design my own ships (even if from a limited selection of parts initially)? Friggin' awesome. I hope the colors are customizable, too...and that hot pink, lime, and fire engine red are options. And OH how I want to plaster my tribal markings all OVER those hulls! Not seeing the same old cookie-cutter ships is gonna be great--the unpredictability should have an interesting impact on how gangs are configured and PVP happens. I cannot wait. *giggles like an overexcited schoolgirl*
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Stigmatias
Gallente
SIEGE.
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:18:00 -
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So your saying there will be 5*5= 25 times 3 if we pull for example the three main classes (frigate, cruiser, battleship), that is 75 parts per race. Now four races?
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Triksterism
Gallente
Frozen Corpse Inspection Services
United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mynxee
Far as I'm concerned, this is one of the most exciting changes coming. I'm pretty jazzed about ambulation, but being able to design my own ships (even if from a limited selection of parts initially)? Friggin' awesome. I hope the colors are customizable, too...and that hot pink, lime, and fire engine red are options. And OH how I want to plaster my tribal markings all OVER those hulls! Not seeing the same old cookie-cutter ships is gonna be great--the unpredictability should have an interesting impact on how gangs are configured and PVP happens. I cannot wait. *giggles like an overexcited schoolgirl*
Great for pirate corps/alliances imo.
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Ticondrius
ANZAC ALLIANCE
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Posted - 2008.11.08 22:19:00 -
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*shrug* All I know is if they don't make size specific parts, for construction purposes, they will end up with super cheap battleships or ridiculously expensive frigates.
Let's see what they do.
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Stigmatias
Gallente
SIEGE.
United Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:09:00 -
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You figure ship equipment will go the same way with customization for tech 3
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kaar
nerf t3 tbh
Which ship?
- think about it. Its a genius move by CCP:
Whiner: "The er...umm..that ships that ganked me - its too powerful, it needs nerfin!!"
CCP: "What ship was that then?"
Whiner: "....."
C.
Originally by: Tarminic
Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:18:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 08/11/2008 23:21:17
Originally by: Shadowsword
Some uncertainty in pvp is good.
A lot of uncertainity is bad on the other hand.
We have enough of uncertainty now on TQ tbh, both fitting wise (except for the few strictly one-dimensional ships, eg. is this Myrm a triple rep setup from hell, nos/neut dual rep cookie cutter or mad gank setup with 900+ DPS which will eat my face if I come close) and with assessing tactical situation (particularly in low-sec where clear local is a exception rather then the rule).
That said, if the ship options have reasonable limitations (so no tacking of 2x ECM str bonuses on a 6-midslot Myrmidon, or stuff like that) it could be a good thing. ECM bonuses are going to be ridicilously popular though 
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bpowder2
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:22:00 -
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I think it will be the same as rigs when they where first introduced as it is sort of the same idea, being able to modify your ship, When rigs where first introduced they where much more expensive and T2 rigs wherent really used and people said that rigs wherent for everyone, which if you look at ships today they are pretty much put on anything. To think that like rigs they will probs have draw backs such as large skill reqs, initial price and will most likely have drawbacks liek rigs do.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente
The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:25:00 -
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the number mentioned was 3125 combination's per race, with 5 sections of five choices each per ship
so 3125/25= 125, I think I'm doing something wrong, cause thats a LOT of new ships.
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Cassidy Usaro
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Some uncertainty in pvp is good.
yepp, its good for loosing customers .... want a proof ? let have a look at the history of Ultima online. Trammel was certainly a strong let down, but the Age of Shadows expansion which introduced a vast multitude of new damage kinds and even much more weapons and armor items, that was what really killed this game .. because PvP became pure gambling
not saying that T3 is going to end like this, its just a danger
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Jack Cates
Caldari
The New Genesis
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:36:00 -
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What is everyone talking about here T3 what?
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:41:00 -
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to counter T3, we'll have T3.1-alpha implemented early in TQ.
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Akiba Penrose
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Stigmatias
How do you counter T3 ships in pvp?
Bring a Falcon.
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sg3s
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nikita Alterana
the number mentioned was 3125 combination's per race, with 5 sections of five choices each per ship
so 3125/25= 125, I think I'm doing something wrong, cause thats a LOT of new ships.
You're doing it wrong... It has 5 interchangeable sections and ofcourse of each section there will be several versions having different traits, I believe I saw like 6-8 versions on a screenshot... so that would be your miscalculation, those 125 would just be the different parts that allow you to make the ships, per race.
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Kala'Sindra
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Posted - 2008.11.08 23:49:00 -
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Edited by: Kala''Sindra on 08/11/2008 23:50:23
Edited by: Kala''Sindra on 08/11/2008 23:49:54
Originally by: sg3s
Originally by: Nikita Alterana
the number mentioned was 3125 combination's per race, with 5 sections of five choices each per ship
so 3125/25= 125, I think I'm doing something wrong, cause thats a LOT of new ships.
You're doing it wrong... It has 5 interchangeable sections and ofcourse of each section there will be several versions having different traits, I believe I saw like 6-8 versions on a screenshot... so that would be your miscalculation, those 125 would just be the different parts that allow you to make the ships, per race.
Nikita & sg3s your maths is wrong. If there are 5 sections per ship, and 5 possible section options, then there are 5^5 possible total combinations. 5^5 = 3125
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