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Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 09/11/2008 02:36:06
Today we get nerfed (balanced) but it seems relatively obvious that at some point in the future lasers will be on the chopping block in some way, shape or form that will balance them out with what CCP is going to implement on the 11'th.
A number of people have suggested that I should train Amar now, or more to the point we all should. But In retrospect to that assertion, my response goes something more like fly what you like, cause whats ontop now will be equal to (or over nerfed in true CCP fashion) at some point in the future.
Discuss.
P.S.
Oh yea, I kind of suspect that the Falcon whiners will eventually win out as well. But I doubt the falcon will ever be nerfed so badly that it will be useless.
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Todd Jaeger
Body Count Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:40:00 -
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This thread makes me said, for I am amarr spec, except that I cross trained for the falcon 
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 09/11/2008 02:43:02
Lasers still require good cap skills to use effectively, especially with the higher damage and T2 crystals. The high optimal but low falloff of pulses is also a fair exchange, and the same goes for beams more or less. Apoc is going to become more popular because of its big optimal and cap use bonuses, but otherwise I don't really see Amarr becoming the FOTM ship choice post-patch. The Amarr ships that are good now will mostly remain good, although the Sac and the other Khanid ships are going to have to deal with the post-patch missile drama. Nano Sac and Zealot won't be as commonly used of course, but apparently both ships can also armor tank effectively (from what I've heard.) If any Amarr ship can really be said to be receiving a nerf, it's the Recons.
edit: whoops this post kinda strayed off topic. But no, I don't think a nerf is forthcoming for lasers.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 09/11/2008 02:48:34
I doubt a direct nerf will come for lasers, but I would imagine there'll be some buffs for other weapon systems. Its your choice though, I prefer flying what I enjoy to fly
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Dikanal
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:49:00 -
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If CCP follow their usual "balancing" philosophy lasers will be reduced to flashlights and activation of ECM modules will automatically cause the ship its fitted on to explode.
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Vex Cachet
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:55:00 -
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Yes, me.
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Eternum Praetorian
Tupperware Party
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:55:00 -
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Id agree with chaos in that something is bound to happen in the future be it a direct or indirect nerf, buff, or whatever may come.
However... no one expected the likes of the blaster Mega to ever be so utterly threatened by the merciless and all powerful nerf bat, nor the Mission Raven to suffer a nerf again.
I suspect that lasers are bound to get hit with something eventually.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:57:00 -
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Lasers will get nerfed soon, is it should as it currently is.
With the typical ccp approach it will be useless again for at least a year.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.11.09 02:59:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/11/2008 03:01:48
Edited by: Le Skunk on 09/11/2008 02:59:56
With CCP its all about egg on the face, and how to avoid it.
CCP will have some difficulty in nerfing laser in the near future due to the relatively recent laser buff.To change it so soon would leave them open to "meddling devs keep your bloody mits out" ridicule.
In about 8 or 9 months then yes they will sneak in some nerfing when nobody is looking.
I said the same about falcons (massively overpowered ships which yes I fly). They wouldn't dare to nerf it after they had nerfed, then boosted it in a row, for some time. This time is coming to an end.. and indeed zulupark hints at falcons getting their range gimped in the upcoming future.
Same deal with arazus. They gimp damps to hell and back - the entire gamebase tells them they are worthless. CCP balancers dont see a problem at first, but soon notice indeed nobody at all is using them, but they cant reverse the decision or they will look like tards. So they wait a year, then lo and behold they hint at them getting boosted.
TLDR: Train lasers, you should be training them now TBH - Im just finishing spec 4 pulse. Switched training as soon as I heard they were gonn get their teeth into blasters. Youl get a good 8 months use out of them before they are nerfed.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.11.09 03:21:00 -
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I hope not.
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Posted - 2008.11.09 03:29:00 -
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i doubt it lasers seem fairly balanced atm. especially as the higher optimal is ofset by alot of ships not fitting webs, i cant see why they should be nerfed tbh.
that said locus rigs will be which is kinda a laser nerf as 60km optimal will no longer be acomplishable on my pulse zealot, neither will the 120km optimal on my pulse apoc, which gives me chronic sad panda face
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Kiviar
Caldari
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.11.09 03:38:00 -
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Lord, lasers were just boosted, give it a year or two before you start thinking about them being nerfed. these things move in cycles
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Gimpb
Deathwatch Ltd
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Posted - 2008.11.09 04:36:00 -
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The way I see it, lasers are kinda supposed to be the ultimate all-around turrets.
But...
It's supposed to cost you.
The disadvantage is supposed to be that they suck lots of cap for that awesome pew pew power but with good skills they only use a little more cap than hybrids and laser ships start with better capacitors than hybrid ships.
I guess the question is if this disadvantage balances their supremacy among turrets.
Some of it also probably has to do with the larger scale of current pvp making buffer tanks more attractive than active tanks. Amarr ships can of course field good buffer tanks and a buffer tank setup means plenty of cap for guns.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.09 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Id agree with chaos in that something is bound to happen in the future be it a direct or indirect nerf, buff, or whatever may come.
However... no one expected the likes of the blaster Mega to ever be so utterly threatened by the merciless and all powerful nerf bat, nor the Mission Raven to suffer a nerf again.
I suspect that lasers are bound to get hit with something eventually.
Sure. Beams have changed several times over the years since I joined. Which is good because in early 2004 they were crap. Everytime I asked for advice I was told to cross-train. Then TomB posted some awesome blogs and in the latter part of 2004 everyone wanted to fit megapulse and the Gankageddon was born. Of course that got adjusted and everyone went to megabeams instead.
So, yes, lasers will change again. I hope they do. As I've written several times - it's good that Eve changes. If it didn't it would be boring and predictable.
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Nikita Alterana
Gallente
The Antikythera Mechanism
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Posted - 2008.11.09 08:34:00 -
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truth be told lasers seem like the one weapon system thats currently balanced correctly. They should leave lasers alone and work on fixing the other weapons. Artillery for instance.
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Lilla Kharn
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Posted - 2008.11.09 08:45:00 -
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Amarr was nerfed awhile ago, I'll be damned if they nerf us again 
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Eradication Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.09 09:24:00 -
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OP is more or less correct.
That's why I have T2 HAM, T2 Heavy Missiles, T2 Medium Energy, T2 Medium Hybrids, and T2 Small Projectiles trained. Whichever way the nerfbat swings, I'm no more than a few weeks away from being able to use whatever is good.
Problem comes with people who claim that weapon systems/ships/whatever that are 5% less effective are "worthless", tbh. Only in the near-mythical balanced solo fight is this true. For 99.8% of EvE combats, that last 5% really doesn't matter.
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic
Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.09 09:25:00 -
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They will be changed when they need to be changed, same with any other module/ship/playstyle in EVE.
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Gneeznow
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.09 09:29:00 -
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having just finished medium railgun spec 4 today I now have t2 med guns and spec skill at 4 for hybrids, lasers and projectiles \o/ so I'm feeling a little nerfproof! lasers in their current incarnation are the best weapon system, simply because the other two have been let fall behind, blasters range are terrible, railguns damage is terrible, autocannons fight in falloff and arty suck at anything but volley damage.
Le Skunk made a good point tho I dont see them being nerfed anytime soon because amarr just recently got the ooompfh that ccp was promising for like a year and a half, would suck to get all that ooompf taken away so soon, instead boost the other weapon systems!
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eliminator2
Gallente
Heretic Army
Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.09 09:36:00 -
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lucky for me i was allready cross training for amarr before the nerfs came in for other races atm am gal specced and speccin amarr nearly in the bs for amarr so i can bravly say i dont care what CCP do next as long as it isnt to bad
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Tzar'rim
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Posted - 2008.11.09 09:53:00 -
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If you lot will all go amarr then all I have to do is change my tank a bit and I'm golden.
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Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2008.11.09 11:11:00 -
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All my pilots will be skilled in all races at a sub capital level and all are or will be trained for Amarr capitals since they are leagues better than any other race.
I figure whatever they **** up I am bound to have something that is still half decent. If not then well, there is no reason to play.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.09 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sergeant Spot on 09/11/2008 11:23:18
I remember when shield tanked Apocs were a VERY valid set up (back when CPRs did not give a penalty to shield boosting...)
I remember when the MegaPulse Geddon was the most feared ship in the game....
So yes, I expect the cycle of nerf and buff to continue, and I expect the nerf/buff cycle to eventually work its way around to lasers "again".
Adapt.
(and yes, I have Amarr BS 5 trained, along with the appropriate weapon specialties, and other supporting skills.....)
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.11.09 12:40:00 -
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With a full rack of trimarks, double EANMs plus DCU and a couple plates being the most common tanking method lasers are not all that hot tbh, despite the recent resistance changes EM is still by far the highest resistance on your average armor tank.
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