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Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.09 10:53:00 - [1] Hi there Just thinking, surely now the standard time old trinity of MWD, Web and point, is now over. How the hell is solo pvp possible anymore when you need to fit AB, 2k scram, 24k pt, possibly 2 webs and a damn targt painter? ffs. -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------
Foruman Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.09 10:57:00 - [2] wts; clue Have you been high today?
Samaritan Azuma Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:20:00 - [3] how the hell is it possible to fit all that on a solo AF? If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:23:00 - [4] Actually on AFs there is less you need to fit than now, AB and 2 point scram will be enough to tackle most stuff.
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:25:00 - [5] Originally by: Samaritan Azuma how the hell is it possible to fit all that on a solo AF? exactly. -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------
Samaritan Azuma Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:31:00 - [6] you never could fit all that you dont need all that pull yerself together and look at what you posted here, then edit If it weren't for downtime, I wouldn't make stupid posts.
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:32:00 - [7] i lol'd "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Dirk Magnum Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.11.09 11:38:00 - [8] Come on guys clearly Huginns and Rapiers with their target painter and web bonuses are the only ships that will be viable in PvP post-patch so stop picking on what the OP said jeez
Ctp Hawkeye Caldari Vice And Valour Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2008.11.09 12:02:00 - [9] Edited by: Ctp Hawkeye on 09/11/2008 12:03:06 Edited by: Ctp Hawkeye on 09/11/2008 12:02:38 just feeling *****y, theres now even more "mandatory" modules. finding a GF is hard enough as it is, without all these extra problems added. edit : language filter even edits it out if you use a number instead of a letter ^.^ -------------------------------------------------- Now accepting ISK for my rattlesnake fund --------------------------------------------------
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.09 12:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 12:11:08 Originally by: Ctp Hawkeye just feeling *****y, theres now even more "mandatory" modules. finding a GF is hard enough as it is, without all these extra problems added. Well on larger ships you'll have to work with MWD/scram/web generally, meaning short range tackle. Or abandon range control in webrange. To take care of frigs, ECM drones, gain transversal and pop them (or highly skilled damage drones for Caldari). On frigs/AFs, ab/web/scrambler is optimal. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.09 12:19:00 - [11] This thread needs MOAR FITTINGS! Wolf: 4 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x DCU T2 1 x 200 mm plate 1 x SAR T2 1 x Adaptive nano plating II Jaguar: 3 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x Web (X5 maybe) 1 x MSE 1 x DCU 2 x OD T2
Szzznake	Posted - 2008.11.09 12:25:00 - [12] Originally by: Burn Mac This thread needs MOAR FITTINGS! Wolf: 4 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x DCU T2 1 x 200 mm plate 1 x SAR T2 1 x Adaptive nano plating II Jaguar: 3 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x Web (X5 maybe) 1 x MSE 1 x DCU 2 x OD T2 Both get webbed and die to small Drones.
Konrad Kurr	Posted - 2008.11.09 12:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Furb Killer Actually on AFs there is less you need to fit than now, AB and 2 point scram will be enough to tackle most stuff. hahah retribution here i come! oh wait, ****....
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.09 13:56:00 - [14] Originally by: Szzznake Originally by: Burn Mac This thread needs MOAR FITTINGS! Wolf: 4 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x DCU T2 1 x 200 mm plate 1 x SAR T2 1 x Adaptive nano plating II Jaguar: 3 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x Web (X5 maybe) 1 x MSE 1 x DCU 2 x OD T2 Both get webbed and die to small Drones. Web is 60% so wont do much against em, now for the small drones ... uhm shoot em?
Elhina Novae Sky's Edge	Posted - 2008.11.09 14:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Ctp Hawkeye Edited by: Ctp Hawkeye on 09/11/2008 12:03:06 Edited by: Ctp Hawkeye on 09/11/2008 12:02:38 just feeling ***y, theres now even more "mandatory" modules. finding a GF is hard enough as it is, without all these extra problems added. edit : language filter even edits it out if you use a number instead of a letter ^.^ All the modules you mentioned will be mandatory on the Large sized ships not frigate sized.... ------------ Originally by:** Boz Well Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem? Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.09 14:44:00 - [16] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 14:45:19 Originally by: Burn Mac Web is 60% so wont do much against em, now for the small drones ... uhm shoot em? Try shooting unwebbed light drones with tracking unbonused 200s However, it's really the ECM drones to watch out for. They mess up your attempts at transversal control. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.09 14:52:00 - [17] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 14:45:19 Originally by: Burn Mac Web is 60% so wont do much against em, now for the small drones ... uhm shoot em? Try shooting unwebbed light drones with tracking unbonused 200s However, it's really the ECM drones to watch out for. They mess up your attempts at transversal control. Ok so apparently larger ships can counter smaller ships by fielding light drones... WTB:Solution
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.09 14:56:00 - [18] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 14:58:48 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 14:57:05 Originally by: Burn Mac Ok so apparently larger ships can counter smaller ships by fielding light drones... WTB:Solution ECM drones are a better solution for solo tbh, since they enable you to field your main gun DPS easily. Lights deal with them ok, but the more heavily tanked AFs might be able to permatank a set of lights (vengeance) or kill them fairly fast (Hawk, Vengeance, etc - missiles in general). Watch out for bonused droneboats spewing lights - those are extremely painful. Solution would be web and kill drones, but with nerfed webs you miss a whole lot, particularly with non-tracking bonused guns. Bear in mind, many bigger ships have to nerf their DPS output to field lights - like a Harbringer for instance (which becomes not very competitive in BC on BC fights if it packs 2 flights of lights instead of med drones) - however, ECM drones are a good choice for these ships. Missile/rocket based AFs stand much much better chances at actually hitting light drones then turrets, which are kinda messed up with the web nerf. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Burn Mac Minmatar The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.09 15:18:00 - [19] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 14:58:48 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 14:57:05 Originally by: Burn Mac Ok so apparently larger ships can counter smaller ships by fielding light drones... WTB:Solution ECM drones are a better solution for solo tbh, since they enable you to field your main gun DPS easily. Lights deal with them ok, but the more heavily tanked AFs might be able to permatank a set of lights (vengeance) or kill them fairly fast (Hawk, Vengeance, etc - missiles in general). Watch out for bonused droneboats spewing lights - those are extremely painful. Solution would be web and kill drones, but with nerfed webs you miss a whole lot, particularly with non-tracking bonused guns. Bear in mind, many bigger ships have to nerf their DPS output to field lights - like a Harbringer for instance (which becomes not very competitive in BC on BC fights if it packs 2 flights of lights instead of med drones) - however, ECM drones are a good choice for these ships. Missile/rocket based AFs stand much much better chances at actually hitting light drones then turrets, which are kinda messed up with the web nerf. So i guess i should fly Ishkur and just field my own light drones.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2008.11.09 15:34:00 - [20] the most viable solo AS is ishkur. Small Repper II Suitcase II Faction Explo Hard AB II or Gist if you like =D Small Cap Injector Scram Rails + maybe nos Resist Rigs if you like to spend more =D
Taco Raptorian The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.09 16:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic the most viable solo AS is ishkur. Small Repper II Suitcase II Faction Explo Hard AB II or Gist if you like =D Small Cap Injector Scram Rails + maybe nos Resist Rigs if you like to spend more =D No no no not the failguns! Go blasters on this baby. It's the new blasteranis. ____________________________ A smile reflected in endless space.
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2008.11.09 17:01:00 - [22] All I need is a scram and a AB on the wolf. If stuff is dumb enough to come close I'll kill it. Or hell I'll just overheat to keep up. You can overheat an AB for a hell of a long time after all.
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.11.09 18:22:00 - [23] If you want to solo pvp then you should be looking at faction warfare more then anything else. You can control how big of ships you fight. You can also be reasonable assured of finding reasonable (read not hopeless) odds to put yourself up against. No ship is a solownmobile. We all have been in situations where everything went perfectly. We've also all had WTF just happened moments. You can fit your ship to counter anything and that in turn opens it up to other threats. I like the new combat b/c it opens up alot. Frigates can be used for more reasons then b/c you're broke. Anti-support ships will come back into play. Your mega can't get into range? Take the 1600mm plates off of it. Risk is put back into the equation for alot of people. Ect, ect.
Marketalt989	Posted - 2008.11.09 18:29:00 - [24] Originally by: Szzznake Originally by: Burn Mac This thread needs MOAR FITTINGS! Wolf: 4 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x DCU T2 1 x 200 mm plate 1 x SAR T2 1 x Adaptive nano plating II Jaguar: 3 x 200 mm AC T2 1 x Small Nos 1 x T2 AB 1 x T2 Scrambler 1 x Web (X5 maybe) 1 x MSE 1 x DCU 2 x OD T2 Both get webbed and die to small Drones. Even medium drones now have an issue taking out my ishkur....doubt it'll be THAT hard to pop smalls
Elhina Novae Sky's Edge	Posted - 2008.11.09 18:59:00 - [25] Retribution? ------------ Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem? Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
steveid Killed In Action	Posted - 2008.11.09 19:31:00 - [26] [Sentinel, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II Micro B88 Core Augmentation 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Stasis Webifier II Small Nosferatu II Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Hobgoblin II x4 orbit inside web range and pwn at leasure.
baltec1 R.U.S.T.	Posted - 2008.11.09 20:33:00 - [27] I have a fleet of retributions waiting for this change. Soon my pets...soon I shall feed you the world...
Kadoes Khan	Posted - 2008.11.09 20:34:00 - [28] Quote: So i guess i should fly Ishkur and just field my own light drones. That's pretty much it, in addition to damage bonused blasters and having enough mids for MWD/scram/web. Also I think we need more snickering at the retribution in this thread -=^=- "Someday the world will recognize the genius in my insanity."
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.09 22:04:00 - [29] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 22:05:06 Originally by: Megan Maynard All I need is a scram and a AB on the wolf. If stuff is dumb enough to come close I'll kill it. Or hell I'll just overheat to keep up. You can overheat an AB for a hell of a long time after all. Right, because webbed AB-ing frigates outrun MWD-ing cruisers. And either ECM drones or neuts will insure that the cruiser IS mwd-ing. Originally by: Zarnak Wulf No ship is a solownmobile. We all have been in situations where everything went perfectly. We've also all had WTF just happened moments. You can fit your ship to counter anything and that in turn opens it up to other threats. This is what happens now. It's just that less ships are solo viable now, that's all. If you flew a BC/HAC which could be killed by a T1 frig, would would be the point of flying it ever? Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Anti-support ships will come back into play. No. Well, not more then they do now. Ok. You remember what happened when I launched 5 bonused Warrior IIs at your Wolf? Right. Now picture 20. Or 30. Doesn't paint a preety picture, does it? 1v1 stats do NOT apply in gang combat. Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Your mega can't get into range? Take the 1600mm plates off of it. Right, because then it would be very useful, being inferior to every other BS which can fit a actual battleship level buffer Fact is, solo BS outside of Dominixes and to some extent Typhoons (and Kronos, but it has to be flown with a Falcon alt) will not work. In gangs, you want a RR setup, and if the Mega does not cut it it'll just get replaced with something else. Dual-rep Megathron will always be a laughable proposition. Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Risk is put back into the equation for alot of people. Ect, ect. Only applies to nano pilots who enjoyed a fairly (but not completely, as evident by all the dead nanoships) low risk combat (in solo/etc encounters). Fact is, numbers, which always won fights to begin with, are just more needed now. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Zarnak Wulf	Posted - 2008.11.09 23:11:00 - [30] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 09/11/2008 22:05:06 Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Anti-support ships will come back into play. No. Well, not more then they do now. Ok. You remember what happened when I launched 5 bonused Warrior IIs at your Wolf? Right. Now picture 20. Or 30. Doesn't paint a preety picture, does it? 1v1 stats do NOT apply in gang combat. I have a dream that one day the Muninn will be respected. Don't steal my joy Cpt! Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Zarnak Wulf Your mega can't get into range? Take the 1600mm plates off of it. Right, because then it would be very useful, being inferior to every other BS which can fit a actual battleship level buffer Fact is, solo BS outside of Dominixes and to some extent Typhoons (and Kronos, but it has to be flown with a Falcon alt) will not work. In gangs, you want a RR setup, and if the Mega does not cut it it'll just get replaced with something else. Dual-rep Megathron will always be a laughable proposition. I fly a Tempest so Mega pilots are not going to get alot of sympathy from me. Currently on Sissi it's like watching a fat man trying to run a 100m dash and collapsing at the 50m mark. I fit one 1600mm plate and three armor rigs and I can MWD for at least 200km using up all my cap boosters. I wouldn't do that in combat.... and I understand that Sissi is not TQ, but if you can't MWD and close....drop at least one or two of those plates. Or think out of the box of massive buffer tank and massive DPS. Mega pilots have to make some decisions as to what they regard as important now. Remarkably Minnie BS pilots have done that for some time.

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