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Boondock Geisha
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Posted - 2008.11.09 23:14:00 -
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Sorry guys....
When I see 6 Goonswarm canidates I think something just is not right about it.....
If on the off chance 2,3 or more pull down enough votes to all be elected do you think they are going to be unbiased? and not support each other... This has a potential to be a power bloc that shouldn't be allowed.... alliances should be limited to one (1) canidate only, of course that would mean any Goon, BoB, IRON canidate automaticly gets elected.
Of course if CSM is a joke as many think this wouldn't matter
or would it?
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Dianeces
The Illuminati.
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.11.09 23:24:00 -
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Don't stop posting.
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Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.09 23:26:00 -
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Actually, Darius was a good CSM member this round. Don't go linking in-game politics and alliances with the Player's ability out-of-game to work hard at making the game better for others.
That's partly to blame for the last CSM being as it was...
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Aloriana Jacques
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.09 23:43:00 -
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So...it's bad that one of the biggest alliances in EVE has 6 members attempting to gain a seat out of a total of 42? Run everyone! Fourteen percent of the candidates are Goons!
See, you shoulda used a percentage. Sounds like a much bigger number.
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Aloriana Jacques - Skill Sheet
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Boondock Geisha
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Posted - 2008.11.10 01:19:00 -
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No slight to Darius intended.....
Have read logs and he does seem to be a solid person
However, if one alliance has a controlling block of votes it is not so much as they use it incorrectly as people seeing it as such. The CSM is a great idea and I applaud CCP for setting it up.. it cannot afford the impression that it is pandering to one group or another, it loses credability and that is all it has to go on. I am not impying that Goon CSM members would be dis-honest or push a hidden agenda that benefits only them (if one could even exist), but more that alliance "x" (for lack of better name) complains that every suggestion made by it's members is falling on deaf ears because of in game politics...which as was said before plagued the previous CSM council.
Hey it's a game and it's the internet
opinions and impressions are a dime a dozen
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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.11.10 01:35:00 -
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Multiple candidates from the same alliance split the alliance vote. Its about strategy and tactics. If an alliance wants to win the chair position on number of votes they need to concentrate on one candidate, if they want multiple votes for power bloc advantage on issues they need to split their votes. Its a fine line though, and splitting too many ways might actually cost them ANY delegate positions if the split was too equal and below the entry level reqs of the council.
Realistically as long as this CSM has the same number of votes cast as last time (or preferably more) then I can't see Goons (or any other single interest group) managing more than 2 candidates from the nine. But ultimately thats something the Eve public need to get involved in preventing by simply getting out and voting.
If we ever got the situation where people were too lazy and cyncical to actually vote in volume and an organization like Goonswarm did manage to foist six delegates of nine on the council then the blame would not fall on CCP or the CSM organizers, (or even on the goons themselves) the fault for this would fall entirely on the player base itself for not caring enough to prevent it.
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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.11.10 02:24:00 -
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The Goons are the biggest alliance in the game, and part of the biggest alliance bloc in the game, with virtually no non-Goons running from that bloc, and a coherent voting strategy. With this, they could have gotten the chair, two members, or possibly as many as three if they had split the vote with razor-sharp precision and had known exactly how many they needed. In order to get the 5 seats they would need for control, they would have needed to have a minimum of 966 votes each, or fully 2026 more votes than they actually got - if they knew in advance how many votes they needed, and if they managed to split them perfectly, with nobody forgetting to vote. There is no conceivable way for one bloc to have the influence you describe.
Also, candidates run as individuals, not as alliance members. How do you decide who is the alliance rep - let the leader decide? Random chance? Get everybody else to jump into a one-man corp for a month or run under an alt's name? What do you do if someone joins an alliance during the middle of their term of office - do they have to resign?
No, that way lies madness. Leave in-game politics for the game, the CSM isn't about that, and we shouldn't create rules that make it be about that.
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DjLowballer
Amarr
FLASHTROOPER CORP
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Posted - 2008.11.10 08:58:00 -
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On one hand I agree with you, and being out of any huge alliance really made me question running anyways. On the other, California gets 55 Congressmen because it is the biggest state with the highest population.
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Boondock Geisha
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Posted - 2008.11.12 02:24:00 -
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Correct ... California gets 55 Congressmen out of 538 so approx 10% (rounded off) so if Goon gets 2 they have what percentage and soes that mean that that percentage of players in EVE are all Goon?
Sothe CSM should consist only of members from the 10 largest alliances or should it be a cross-section of EVE players.
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VicturusTeSaluto
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.11.12 07:40:00 -
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 Originally by: DjLowballer
On one hand I agree with you, and being out of any huge alliance really made me question running anyways. On the other, California gets 55 Congressmen because it is the biggest state with the highest population.
That is a terrible comparison. The American Government has 3 coequal branches of government. One of the best reasons behind this system was to prevent the tyranny of the majority.
If you want to use the American comparison, I nominate myself for Chief Justice of the Interstellar Supreme Court.
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2008.11.12 08:10:00 -
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A joke waiting to happen? I suppose that could be one result. Another could be that a great set of candidates get elected, become an effective voice of the pilots of Eve and CCP makes some great improvements.
In the end to quote my favorite Asthma-Hound:
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Could be something bad, could be something good....
How it turns out will largely be determined by who the pilots of Eve choose and how much they choose to support the council. So my advice... decide who best represents your views and then...
PUSH THE SHINY RED BUTTON!
next to the candidates name in the Eve virtual voting booth...
Remember, "Stuffs getting better! Stuffs getting better every day! "
Issler Dainze
CSM Candidate
CEO Tadakatsu Obata Corporation
Founder of the Honda Accord
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Pixel SonursCreen
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Posted - 2008.11.12 18:50:00 -
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i dont think this is a subject really, here is why:
-everyone will be voting for me anyways.
-even if 7 goons would make it in the CSM, it seems to me it would not give them any clear in game advantages for the goonswarm agenda. The CSM topics seem to have generally not to do with single alliance interests. So as stupid as it sounds, if 7 goons in 2nd CSM would do a good job, it would not just be a benefit to goonswarm but to BOB and even all other players and alliances in general probably 99.999% of the topics.
-they will do what they think they want to or can do in game anyways, regardless of CSM.....
-and that is IF they make it this time...
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Boondock Geisha
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Posted - 2008.11.13 02:23:00 -
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Ok Pixel and all others....
If you think its not a issue...which I do
If only if CSM to me is suppose to be a active cross-section of players and play styles so that everyone is represented.
If you vote them in thats your choice and I hope you get the representation that you want from it.
Disclaimer:
This is not a anti-goon thread, it would exist if it was any.... ANY alliance. I have no problem with goons, actually the burn quite nicely and set me on fire equally often
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Silva Riley
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Posted - 2008.11.13 14:58:00 -
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If you don't want too many goons, vote for someone else.
And ask yourself why no other alliance is represented with any reasonable amount of candidates.
Is there even a single BOB candidate?
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Yorda
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.13 15:55:00 -
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Pretty sure the CSM is a joke that's already happened.
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2008.11.15 01:13:00 -
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Issler Dainze - CSM Candiadate - "Let me be your voice when you scream in space!"
CSM a joke? Well here is a CSM joke I wrote.... :-)
So a CSM member, a CCP developer and a genetically altered cow walk into a pleasure hub. They all head over to the bar and the CCP developer asks the cow to order them a round. The cow proceeds to order three glasses of vegatable feed liquor. The CSM member and the CCP developer look at the revolting shots in front of them while the cow immediately knocks back its shot and orders another.
The CSM member suggests to the CCP developer that maybe having the cow order was a bad idea. The CCP developer replies, "No, that is working as intended, but maybe we can consider some balance changes next patch". He then uses the GM tools to change his shot to a nice 40 year old single malt scotch and begins to enjoy his drink. The CSM candidate looks at his shot of disgusting liquor and realizes that he might as well drink it. After all, if CCP says thats the way it should work there is no reason to try and change it.
OK, I shouldn't be writing jokes but I can tell you I'm going to push back if CCP tries to tell me a cow should order my drinks! You should too! Support the CSM, let them be your voice and help make Eve what we want it to be!
Remember, "Stuffs getting better! Stuffs getting better every day! "
Issler Dainze
CSM Candidate
CEO Tadakatsu Obata Corporation
Founder of the Honda Accord
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Kaptain Kruncher
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:15:00 -
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If I were voting for you, you would have just lost my vote. |
Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.15 16:05:00 -
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Contrary to popular opinion... Goonfleet/Goonswarm does not outnumber the population of EVE.
The problem is not them controlling votes [which is also ridiculous]... its the lack of participation on the part of everyone else.
Also... Goons get stereotyped to often... they just enjoy EVE in ways most people don't like.
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.11.16 19:11:00 -
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Worst case scenario, there would be 6 months of no issues being raised to CCP that were relevant. Remember that the CSM raises issues and recommends solutions and priorities to CCP. CCP still make up their own mind about what to/not do.
In particular when it comes to balancing the game, CCP are pretty careful and stubborn about their approach to it. What could change is the priority with which empire/0.0 were treated, which could potentially have a negative effect, but unlikely to advantage a single faction/alliance.
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Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.11.16 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 16/11/2008 20:53:16
It's not an issue, as the CSM has no legislative power. Yes, GoonSwarm as a political party could get every single seat on the CSM, but unless they make decent decisions that the devs agree with, it's irrelevent. Any more than 1 candidate for an alliance nets no advantage for the alliance.
It's actually a pretty good system. The devs have an absolute requirement for the game to suceed, and if the CSM aids that, all is well. If it doesn't, nothing is lost.
EDIT: Chribba got an Orca today thanks to the CSM giving a great case to CCP for the ship's worth. There are numerous other examples of the CSM's relevance.
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TigerWoman
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Posted - 2008.11.16 21:30:00 -
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Edited by: TigerWoman on 16/11/2008 21:33:04
apart from 0.0 politics you should vote for the one you like, the one who shares your grudges and visions, the one having ideas and knowledge about what he wants to change.
get the csm out of 0.0 stuff. csm is an installation to give a more precise players view on current game mechanics so ccp can draw conclusions out of it and change the game for the better.
so what matters is not 0.0 politics, its the fun for everyone playing this game.
might it be goon, nc, reds, bob or whoever. vote for the guy working for the game to evolve. not for the guy boosting your ship/alliance.
i am a gbc guy and voted for a goon, did so last time too. not because i like goons, but cause i like the ideas and the way my candidate presents stuff approaches issues etc.
best guy for best job. if i think a certain char is representing my needs i vote for him regardless of his 0.0 affiliation.
edit: chribba can have a titan to mine with. result would be more lovecans. |
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