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VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:24:00 -
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jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply! |

Hroya
28
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:26:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!
Maybe he will but you dont even read posts made from others because you couldnt be bothered so why should anyone even try are put some effort adressing your concerns ?
You go your corridor but. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:30:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply!
On the contrary. I addressed that little point with the observation that SA community has brought the RL harrassment practise to eve. Before you guys arrived it was not a lauded "mainstream" activity. Goons made RL harrassment of players a metagame tactic (see Smoske affair, see Lady Scarlet affair) etc etc. You made attacks against the player part of the "game" and applauded the people who use them. You still do it right here in this thread where you support ongoing RL attacks against me.
So I'm not really sure the point you are making by bleating about problems certain goons have had with RL stalkers too.
You brought this problem to eve.
In order for it to be resolved for everyone the goons need to learn to respect RL barriers and end the harrassment of people in real life. Its as simple as that.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:30:00 -
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Hroya the advantage i have here is that i can post anything i want about jade constantine and he can't help himself but to reply, while ignoring whatever posts i please (walls of text about bees fall firmly into this category) |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:35:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:jade if you really want a discussion how about we wind back a moment to the part where i pointed out most prominent goon leaders have been targetted by rl harrassment? i notice you neglected to grace that part of my post with a reply! On the contrary. I addressed that little point with the observation that SA community has brought the RL harrassment practise to eve. Before you guys arrived it was not a lauded "mainstream" activity. Goons made RL harrassment of players a metagame tactic (see Smoske affair, see Lady Scarlet affair) etc etc. You made attacks against the player part of the "game" and applauded the people who use them. You still do it right here in this thread where you support ongoing RL attacks against me. So I'm not really sure the point you are making by bleating about problems certain goons have had with RL stalkers too. You brought this problem to eve. In order for it to be resolved for everyone the goons need to learn to respect RL barriers and end the harrassment of people in real life. Its as simple as that.
do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account.
when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:35:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:Hroya the advantage i have here is that i can post anything i want about jade constantine and he can't help himself but to reply, while ignoring whatever posts i please (walls of text about bees fall firmly into this category)
And the thing you miss little goon alt is that I'm happy to reply to you in such a way as to illustrate your nature as a cowardly little internet troll without credibility or reputation. The fact you've now fallen back to the "lol I wus trolling U" response as attempted damage control for being publicly broken on the wheel of discussion simply demonstrates how pitiful you truly are.
Perhaps next time you should put your virtual fingers in your ears and just type. "la la la I'm not listening la".
It would have about as much credibility.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Hroya
28
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:39:00 -
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VCBee 180, Jade does take his time to make coherent replies that provide alot of details and are easy to read.
I wouldnt mind to read similar structured replies both ways and see a mature discussion going. It isnt rocket science. It isnt a battle of wits or a means to gain power. It is a way to understand things and figure out what role it all plays within a larger setting.
You go your corridor but. |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:45:00 -
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So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal.
[quote=VCBee 180 do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.[/quote
The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game?
Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise.
I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:49:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal. VCBee 180 wrote: do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.
The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game? Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise. I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living.
lmao literally everything in this post is wrong |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:51:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:So hang on, one post ago you were boasting about "LOLO I TROLL U" and now its back to serious posting and you are claiming that somehow you are in control of the discussion? This is getting surreal. VCBee 180 wrote: do you have any proof whatsoever to back this up? BoB hoisted smoske's corpse like a flag as they used it to justify an in-game war and LV infiltrated goonfleet.com by hiring anthonyz to (successfully) hack Remedial's admin account. when some years later we get ourselves into BoB forums and see the real-life pictures thread of course we're going to call Lady Scarlet fat. GoonSwarm is exactly what the "eve community" (ugh) made it.
The goons ran a campaign of forum signatures to mock an eve player who died in a traffic acident and you expected people not to get angry? You infiltrated an enemy alliance, took RL pictures of players and then mocked a woman over her RL looks mercilessly until she quit the game? Is that supposed to be some kind of defense of goonswarm tactics - where did you learn law - downing Jaegerbombs at the Mittani practise. I guess its lucky my RL pictures are more attractive than 99.9% of goons otherwise I'd have had you guys go "lady scarlet" on my appearance too. Here's a protip from RL. Games are for playing. Not living. lmao literally everything in this post is wrong
I see you took me up on the suggestion to use the "la la la i'm not listening la" defense after all 
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:53:00 -
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in order: false paradox, it wasn't a campaign it was an individual, they posted the pictures themselves, it was more her weight than looks, mittani retired!, we do mock your pictures
i do agree that goons are pretty ugly too though! |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 14:56:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:i do agree that goons are pretty ugly too though!
Well there you go. The thread wasn't a complete waste.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:01:00 -
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who's trolling now? mods? |

Lanasak
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.04.06 15:23:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:blah blah blah anti-goon rant wrapped up in some half-baked analysis. i skimmed this post and there's no way i'm going to read it through for a detailed reply
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1004861&page=2#49
hurr
(skip down to post #49 since the anchor link doesn't work, :ccp:) |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1904
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:53:00 -
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Only goons would want to link examples of themselves getting utterly owned on the forums.
:you guys: 
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:56:00 -
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doh
oh wow i don't think i was subscribed when that one was posted |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
390
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:57:00 -
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And that's one properly derailed thread, :highbros: we did it. |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.04.06 16:57:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Only goons would want to link examples of themselves getting utterly owned on the forums. :you guys: 
bad poster!!!!! bad
e: if there's one thing to take from the archives, it's that calling jade out for RPing a space prostitute is timeless |

Uronksur Suth
Viziam Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:01:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=VCBee 180]Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender.
Um, isn't that libel? |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1907
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Posted - 2012.04.07 00:09:00 -
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Uronksur Suth wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=VCBee 180]Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender. Um, isn't that libel?
Yeah good luck trying to find a lawyer prepared to take the case transatlantic against one of a thousand random goons operating through dodgy/obscure hosting agreements though. Though it would be nice to give these guys a figurative kick-in-the-teeth the reality is doomed to frustration.
+ of course "libel" is something that only happens too goons rather than done to them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |

Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
396
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:00:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote: + of course "libel" is something that only happens too goons rather than done to them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
I don't think any goon has called that label Libel. We've mostly be fapping on the fact that's its an incorrect label. DrunkenAsshole is far more accurate in Mitten's case. Many of the "gaming media" have written retractions to that effect even, including the blog post that is often cited as having started all those shenanigans. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
257
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Posted - 2012.04.07 05:24:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:Lanasak wrote: [stuff that made little Lyrra grin] blah blah blah anti-goon rant wrapped up in some half-baked analysis. i skimmed this post and there's no way i'm going to read it through for a detailed reply
^^The sense of humour is weak in this one.^^
Oh, and post on your main, you sanctimonious coward. This signature is intentionally left blank.
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PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:46:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Only goons would want to link examples of themselves getting utterly owned on the forums. :you guys:  bad poster!!!!! bad e: if there's one thing to take from the archives, it's that calling jade out for RPing a space prostitute is timeless And True |

PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:50:00 -
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Jade and can you pls tell us what your csm 1 really achieved expect getting elected and getting free trip to the Iceland? |

VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.04.07 09:11:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:
^^The sense of humour is weak in this one.^^
Oh, and post on your main, you sanctimonious coward.
my main is forum banned for threatening to kill myself if mittani was made to resign :(
a VCBee character is as good as a goonswarm ticker so w/e
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
257
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Posted - 2012.04.07 09:51:00 -
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VCBee 180 wrote: [tripe]
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw
Are. You. *******. Serious.
Really? Really?
0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious.
The invention of ice-hockey is proof that Canada deserves to rule the world. Eh.
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Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
161
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Posted - 2012.04.07 10:02:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Uronksur Suth wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:VCBee 180 wrote:Or indeed as "creepy" as putting an eve enemies rl picture on a goonwiki where he is described as being a child sex offender. Um, isn't that libel? Yeah good luck trying to find a lawyer prepared to take the case transatlantic against one of a thousand random goons operating through dodgy/obscure hosting agreements though. Though it would be nice to give these guys a figurative kick-in-the-teeth the reality is doomed to frustration. + of course "libel" is something that only happens to goons rather than done by them. Its "libellous" (apparently) to refer to Gianturco as a "cyberbully" but just harmless joking when labelling a goonswarm enemy a sex offender. Go figure.
So how long are you going to continue to be mad at a few thousand dudes because of what one (a few?) of them did?
edit:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Are. You. *******. Serious.
Really? Really?
0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious.
E:
Is that truly all you've got? My God, you're pathetic even by the standards of the dregs of the Internet known as goons. Stop taking Internet Spaceships(TM) so seriously, honey: See, for those of us who have friends and lives away from the computer, what one braying piece of Internet-garbage thinks of my pixel-spaceships pixel-space guild/corp/thingy really just...isn't overly relevant.
God they're adorable sometimes. |

PleaseDONTblow Myship
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.04.07 10:22:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:VCBee 180 wrote: [tripe]
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw Are. You. *******. Serious. Really? Really?0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious. E: Is that truly all you've got? My God, you're pathetic even by the standards of the dregs of the Internet known as goons. Stop taking Internet Spaceships(TM) so seriously, honey: See, for those of us who have friends and lives away from the computer, what one braying piece of Internet-garbage thinks of my pixel-spaceships pixel-space guild/corp/thingy really just...isn't overly relevant.
Lol,internet spaceship serious bussines nerd telling GS member to be not so serious about spaceships...
Pubbies still manage to surprise and make me laugh...
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VCBee 180
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.04.07 16:35:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:VCBee 180 wrote: [tripe]
e: your alliance is a piece of **** btw Are. You. *******. Serious. Really? Really?0/10 if troll, -10/10 if serious. E: Is that truly all you've got? My God, you're pathetic even by the standards of the dregs of the Internet known as goons. Stop taking Internet Spaceships(TM) so seriously, honey: See, for those of us who have friends and lives away from the computer, what one braying piece of Internet-garbage thinks of my pixel-spaceships pixel-space guild/corp/thingy really just...isn't overly relevant.
rack 'em |

Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1907
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:11:00 -
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PleaseDONTblow Myship wrote:Jade and can you pls tell us what your csm 1 really achieved expect getting elected and getting free trip to the Iceland?
Well CSM 1 being bad is a common myth told by the Goon leadership to its pawns. When (from the goon's perspective) what was "bad" is you didn't win.
CSM1 was pretty successful for CCP and the game at large. Extremely good press coverage, media relations. It worked well for me in the workplace too ironically - people were pretty impressed at my run as the first ever democratically elected chair of a massively multiplayer online game.
BBC taking democracy to the stars
New York Times on Virtual Democracy
Massively spotlight CSM1
Ten ton hammer on the process
And dozens more like these.
At least two members of CSM1 would go on to work for CCP. One went on to become a leading figure on the followup CSM2. We oversaw the successful implementation of PLEX into Eve online which has helped hundreds of thousands of players from poorer countries in the world to play the game despite the economic problems of their host countries.
It is a matter of public record the various gameplay improvements we advocated for Eve Online and I'm quite proud of the issues I advocated personally (such of which will probably surprise you when you tear your eyes from goonswarm propaganda and go look up the facts as they happened
And when my term was over I gave the final address at fanfest without bringing myself, the csm, or CCP and the wider player base into disrepute. I understand then as I do now that the role of CSM chair is to represent the game as an ambassador to the wider gaming media and show off the things that make Eve great (rather than wallowing in petty cyber bullying and mean spirited drunken nonsense.).
In many ways I think it is the degree to which the facts of CSM1's success are self-evident and undeniable that have made goon high command so rapidly addicted to smear attempts and making up nonsense about it ever since. It really stings that the CSM chaired by Jade Constantine, roleplayer and leader of a small alliance was a roaring success, while the CSM chaired by goonswarm's favourite son was a disappointing fiasco that ended in scandal and universal condemnation by anyone who is not a goon.
All the goonswarm can take away from CSM6 really are humiliating headlines like these.
Cyber bullying for applause
Goonswarm's attempt to cyber-bully massively
Investigation over mocking suicidal player
Harrassment mars Eves fanfest
And so on.
Take off the goonswarm blinkers and breath the fresh clean air outside the SA basement for a moment and see how the rest of the players and gaming media see you.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
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