well what does it say then you vague, badposting pubbie :allears:

well what does it say then you vague, badposting pubbie :allears:

Yep.
The goons take their spaceship politics VERY seriously.

Yep.

The goons take their spaceship politics VERY seriously.

I would like to see verifiable proof of this.

Bladibla

Clearly it must have been a goon

Your old friend CCP Sreegs had similar issues at his previous job, I guess we should assume it must have been a Star Fraction member that tried to get him fired?

Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.

But the fact remains, Eve online as a game needs to move beyond this rubbish really. If we're to keep the no-holds-barred brutal in-game reality we've grown fond of then certain kinds of out of game RL personal attack rubbish needs to be ruled beyond the pale.

I don't mind goons in space suicide ganking people.
I don't mind goons trying to scam the credulous.
I don't mind goons blobbing and bubbling and generally making themselves unpleasant in 0.0.

Thats all gameplay end of the day.

My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".

These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.

And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.

The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.

The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.

The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.

The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.

Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game".
They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."

Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.

Food for thought.

Obviously I have no knowledge of what happened in CCP Sreeg's case. But I certainly noted identical links, text and RL harrassment between the mails sent to my employers and "trolls" posted on these very forums by senior goons. Coincidence.Unlikely

It's almost like the entire eve community knows you ran a space brothel, and not just a few ELITE SENIOR GOONS.


edit: haha you ran a space brothel

e2: as a woman, in space

Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.

Its a bit pathetic that all we've seen in this thread is childish alts of goons (who presumably got banned for badposting long before). Any time they are faced with an actual argument they run for the hills and roll on their bellies and call in the alt-tastic unfunny smear brigade.

But the fact remains, Eve online as a game needs to move beyond this rubbish really. If we're to keep the no-holds-barred brutal in-game reality we've grown fond of then certain kinds of out of game RL personal attack rubbish needs to be ruled beyond the pale.

I don't mind goons in space suicide ganking people.
I don't mind goons trying to scam the credulous.
I don't mind goons blobbing and bubbling and generally making themselves unpleasant in 0.0.

Thats all gameplay end of the day.

My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".

These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.

And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.

The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.

The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.

The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.

The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.

Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game".
They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."

Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.

Food for thought.

Just in case the goons in the thread fancy taking a shot at debating the subject (rather than continuing to provide examples of the bad behaviour mentioned.)

My issue is with those goons who have such a tenuous grasp on reality that they believe making out of game attacks on the RL identity and livelihood of in-game enemies is part of Eve's grand tradition of "meta-game".

These guys are the most pitiable creatures on the internet really: the mouthbreathing unwashed basement dwelling poison-pen spewing self-hating cybernerds in the spotlight.

And anyone who wants to see Eve online remain a full on pvp game (rather than getting over-sanitized in knee-jerk response to the frankly insane antics of a few dozen internet madmen) should join in condemning this behaviour without reservation.

The real question of all this is "who is griefing who" when RL attacks and OOC harrassment become the norm of Eve metagame. One might think its an easy question to answer with "well its the victim isn't it?" But the reality is more complex.

The consequence of Gianturco's behaviour at fanfest this year will likely be that nobody gets to drink in public at future events and talk about Eve in a relaxed manner of comradely intoxication.

The consequence of Goonswarm Cyberbullying and ooc harrassment will likely be that somebody ends up dead and Eve will pay the penalty of being flayed in the press.

The consequence of SA culture dominatiing Eve culture is that this game community is seen as a poisonous snake-pit by the gaming media and other MMO players and rather than respecting the "core game" harshness and admirable difficulty level of Eve, they end up despising the petty-minded vindictive bully-culture laden with sexism, homophobia and racist frat-boy antics that would make most student campus societies call for expulsion.

Goons once were rumoured to have come to Eve to "destroy the game".
They refined the message to we're here to "destroy your game."

Ironic that the latest target group for destruction is the hard core gamers who want to play a full-tilt full death penalty open world MMO without crossing the line into Cyber-bullying, Internet Harrassment and outright out of game criminality.

Food for thought.

~Words nonsurprisingly similar to Hitlers speeches~

post with your main.

Or are you planning to usurp my ability to post because i dont fullfill your reqiurements of purity of race/worthy RPing name?

No I'd just like you to post with your main rather than hiding behind a fake posting identity (most likely because your main got banned for rl-harrassing other eve players).

So now you are accusing me of being cyberbully?

Yes/not or stfu pls...

Everyone can see your registration date. Your posting history is public knowledge. You have made 28 posts (of 29) in the period since Mittani got banned. You post identically to any of thousand random goon trolls and you are clearly using this identity to continue the nonsense you began on another character.

Your posts are generally one-liner insults and its clear you don't care if this character gets banned either. Its the scattergun approach of e-harrassment and forum cyber bullying really. You derail other threads and try to wind up people so they get their own more valuable posting identities with some actual reputation endangered by engaging with you.

So sure, its a strategy you are using. Bravo. But it doesn't really fool anyone.