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TimMc
Gallente
Brutal Deliverance
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Posted - 2008.11.13 00:58:00 -
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They should just add ****, gambling and blood to eve and stick a happy 18 sticker on it. No one really cares, and I always get the feeling that Eves moodiness and dark backstory is being held back by its low age rating. |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.20 08:35:00 -
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Edited by: Solomon XI on 20/11/2008 08:36:40
Edited by: Solomon XI on 20/11/2008 08:35:49
 Originally by: Tomcat
Originally by: Zanmaru
Edited by: Zanmaru on 10/11/2008 21:37:39
Case in point: Second Life. Second Life encourages exchanging rl money for in-game currency, and has player-run and designed gambling centers. To my knowledge they have yet to be sued for this.
I was the owner of one of the top 3 largest poker houses in Second Life, and can confirm that as of mid-summer 2007, the us govt put pressure on Linden Labs, and in-game gambling was banned due to the ability to convert the virtual currency into USD.
And those of us with underground gambling hubs still thrive. 
//me is serious.
///has one of the best stores in SL
////runs an underground gambling operation
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Cyprus Black
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.11.20 08:40:00 -
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Edited by: Cyprus Black on 20/11/2008 08:45:19
I dunno. Baulders Gate 1 & 2 and Fallout 1 & 2 all have gambling in them. Neither are rated 18+. Then again, RL money isn't involved in these gambling practices.
If EvE had gambling introduced, there would definitely be a grey area since RL money is used to buy time codes and time codes can be traded for ingame money.
In a round-about way, RL money can be used for ingame gambling. CCP "could" introduce gambling, but I suspect it's a whole can of worms they're just not willing to open. |
Tempest Inferno
Davy Jones Locker
Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.20 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dapto
Edited by: Dapto on 10/11/2008 06:15:19
Had a chat to some people who went to fanfest and they made a comment about walking in stations and the facility to be able to play cards and gamble. Is CCP aware that doing/having this will make EVE an (R) 18+ rated game in most western countries ?
You are assuming the country even notices. Also, as many people here have already mentioned the laws do not apply to digital assets holding no LEGAL value. Finally, If i recall correctly other countries laws cannot affect the operation of a foreign corporation operating over the internet. |
Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2008.11.22 13:09:00 -
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I really hope EvE becomes 18+ rated.
CCP, include gambling!
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DEATHsyphon
Gallente
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.11.22 23:11:00 -
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MEH. That's what I have to say because this thread has no point in existing to many arguments and people trying to make there own facts.
Since were on the whole 18+ theme we might also want to start bringing up trading on the market because its a great way to make or loose a lot of isk, just like gambling. Also like gambling if your doing your own trading through sites like E-Trade you have to be 18+ OES NOES!! HOW COULD THEY OVERLOOK THIS 
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Marrkel
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.22 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cyprus Black
If EvE had gambling introduced, there would definitely be a grey area since RL money is used to buy time codes and time codes can be traded for ingame money.
In a round-about way, RL money can be used for ingame gambling. CCP "could" introduce gambling, but I suspect it's a whole can of worms they're just not willing to open.
No gray Area at all you paid RL money for in game time that you can buy isk with which is just more ingame stuff at no point can you turn it back into RL money without breaking ULA. Which frees CCP from any legal action that could be taken against people trying to do it such as an Isk farmer \o/
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Psychotic Penguin
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:36:00 -
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I thought you had to be over 18(eula) to play it in the first place like all other MMOs
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Psychotic Penguin
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.11.23 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Tempest Inferno
Originally by: Dapto
Edited by: Dapto on 10/11/2008 06:15:19
Had a chat to some people who went to fanfest and they made a comment about walking in stations and the facility to be able to play cards and gamble. Is CCP aware that doing/having this will make EVE an (R) 18+ rated game in most western countries ?
You are assuming the country even notices. Also, as many people here have already mentioned the laws do not apply to digital assets holding no LEGAL value. Finally, If i recall correctly other countries laws cannot affect the operation of a foreign corporation operating over the internet.
sort of, they can order the ip addresses blocked at isp level.
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Orb Lati
Minmatar
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.24 00:39:00 -
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While this isnt really a concern for the player base, most people prob dont care, It is a issue that CCP will need to get thier lawers to check for every geopolitical zone they serve.
If local anti gambling laws do not place a distinction between Real Assets and Virtual Assets in relation to gambling then CCP will be walking into a land mine of lawsuits, and class actions.
Just because some laws are ridiculous doesn't mean that there are not lawyers out there waiting to make a quick buck from exploiting them.
I wonder what the ausie player base would do if Eve became R18+, thier government would have no option but to block all access to it due to thier current policy of no R18 games. 
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Faraelle Brightman
Gallente
Placid Reborn
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Posted - 2008.11.24 02:39:00 -
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Originally by: Psychotic Penguin
I thought you had to be over 18(eula) to play it in the first place like all other MMOs
In the US, the law effectively works out to be you can't legaly sign up for most online communities without a parrent/guardian unless you're 13 or older. (If you're under 18, you probably still need a parent to be able to pay for it.)
Eve carries a "T" (Teen) rating from the ESRB. The step above it is "M" (Mature) which is 17 and older. However, rating enforcement is the responsability of the store selling you the game. I'm also not sure how, or if, the rating enforcement is conducted for online/downloadable sales; I've never seen any data about it. Self-published, downloadable games often ignore the ESRB alltogether and do not submit their games for ratings (as it costs money to do).
As for the OP: before Atari publishes Eve for the retail boxes in March, they may have to submit the game to the ESRB again for rating no mater what. However as has been pointed out, there are a lot of T rated games that have gambling minigams and the like. Federal gambling regulations only apply if real money changes hands. (In Second Life, the $L to USD conversion is officialy sanctioned by the developer, Linden Lab; in Eve that is not the case, which is why you're not likely to see the feds knocking at CCP Atlanta's offices.)
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Weeka
Amarr
Tetragrammaton
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Posted - 2008.11.24 06:10:00 -
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So in a game setting that lets you kill thousands for ingame money, where you buy cruise missiles for ingame money, sell slaves for ingame money, sell drugs for ingame money you are concerned that gambling for ingame money may get you or ccp in trouble?
Snap out of it
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Holy Lowlander
Comply Or Die
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.24 18:16:00 -
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tbh it will turn 18+
if people in australia for instance wanted to change santa's Hoo Hoo Hoo into something else because it sounds too much like ***** ***** ***** ... .
then this will be 18 +
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.11.25 02:52:00 -
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The only problem I see is the potential to aquire a GTC with ingame ISK, but if you actually look at the GTC system, you do not actually 'buy' gametime, you exchange ISK for someone ELSES game time. Eve is STLL and will always be a one-way money sink.
The only way to make money off eve is to sell ISK to an ISK selling site, and that's illegal in the FIRST place. Actually, if this went down, I think your macro farmers who sell ISK wouldn't just be in violation of the EULA, they would be in violation of international money laundering laws, whch would make them vulnerable to arrest...
wait a minute...
GIVE ME GAMBLING YESTERDAY DAMNIT! I WANTED IT YESTERDAY!
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.11.25 11:22:00 -
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Forget gambling making it 18+, all those exotic dancers...
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zakear dragon
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Posted - 2008.12.08 00:43:00 -
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tbh if u want to gamble play with people u know and just use isk as a stake theres many free poker sites
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Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.12.08 01:52:00 -
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So assembly hall is the new general discussion?
If ambulation has no gambling, then the whole expansion will be a 100% waste of time.
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Luigi Thirty
Caldari
19th Star Logistics
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Posted - 2008.12.08 05:12:00 -
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Your Eve assets are the property of CCP. You're not gambling since you can't win or lose any of your assets, you're winning or losing a number in CCP's database.
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