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CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.11.11 23:51:00 - [1] Quantum Rise, the latest expansion release for EVE Online, has been deployed. The Tranquility server is now online and accepting connections. Please use this thread to provide us with your feedback and thoughts on the deployment of PLEX (30 day Pilots License Extention). It is important to us to know of any issues that you encounter or feedback that you have while using this new feature. Full details regarding PLEX can be found in Oveur's Blog. The Dev Team will be monitoring this thread throughout the next few days to keep abreast of the PLEX deployment and status. Navigator Senior Community Representative CCP Hf, [gold]EVE Online

Fredou Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:16:00 - [2] first thing I can say is: I, welcome, the overlords resellers. I, welcome, the overpriced price for the reason above. unless you put something to prevent reselling? (did you?)

CCP finnz	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Fredou first thing I can say is: I, welcome, the overlords resellers. I, welcome, the overpriced price for the reason above. unless you put something to prevent reselling? (did you?) You can resell PLEx (Pilot License) like you would resell any other item in eve.

Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:35:00 - [4] What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money? Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
branodn lee Minmatar Capital Ships Inc. Morsus Empire	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:36:00 - [5] did ccp think about that fact now the gtc price's are going to double unless you stop it. i say eve total accounts are going to go down by 10% because who is going to pay 350mill or more per 30days..
Caiman Graystock Comrades in Construction Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:42:00 - [6] Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price.
branodn lee Minmatar Capital Ships Inc. Morsus Empire	Posted - 2008.11.12 01:47:00 - [7] Originally by: Caiman Graystock Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price. thats why i say only about 10% will kill off 1 or more accounts. i know i will have to close all 4 of my accounts, even this one. i cant afford to pay for eve with rl cash, and i cant afford it with isk now ether...
Skeezer	Posted - 2008.11.12 02:25:00 - [8] How do you set up a sell order for the pilot's license?
Arri Gato	Posted - 2008.11.12 02:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Arri Gato on 12/11/2008 02:27:05 Originally by: branodn lee Originally by: Caiman Graystock Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price. thats why i say only about 10% will kill off 1 or more accounts. i know i will have to close all 4 of my accounts, even this one. i cant afford to pay for eve with rl cash, and i cant afford it with isk now ether... There is free games you can play, or maybe get a job? Or maybe you would like eve to be ad-financed? I think this is a good feature, and the prices will stabilize.
Tigaro Spiritor	Posted - 2008.11.12 02:38:00 - [10] Good job exposing the ETC to proper market forces, prices have already dropped to 200 million in Oursulaert. Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account?

branodn lee Minmatar Capital Ships Inc. Morsus Empire	Posted - 2008.11.12 02:39:00 - [11] There is free games you can play, or maybe get a job? Or maybe you would like eve to be ad-financed? I think this is a good feature, and the prices will stabilize. i do have a job but i don't make much, i can barely pay my bills so paying for a game is not happening. so before you start telling people to get a job think about how the hole worlds economy is doing right now and eat it.
Len Huntae	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Skeezer How do you set up a sell order for the pilot's license? Buy an ETC as per usual (a list of ETC resellers can be accessed under your account sidebar). Go in game, hit escape and you will see a new button on the lower left side next to "your petitions". Hit "convert etc" and voila, you will get 2 30 day PLEX's. It can only be done at a station, and cannot leave the station you create them at, so don't mess it up .
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2008.11.12 06:43:00 - [13] I suppose the question raised in one of the GD threads deserves some reposting: Are scams involving PLEX's going to be legal, or should we expect swift GM action if someone sells his code to me for 2m instead of 200m. Not that I would, just wondering for posterity _____________________ My opinions plus a tablespoon of water may be substituted for your own.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:17:00 - [14] We need moar price gouging peeps, get to it! "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
0vermama	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account? this
Skeezer	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Len Huntae Originally by: Skeezer How do you set up a sell order for the pilot's license? Buy an ETC as per usual (a list of ETC resellers can be accessed under your account sidebar). Go in game, hit escape and you will see a new button on the lower left side next to "your petitions". Hit "convert etc" and voila, you will get 2 30 day PLEX's. It can only be done at a station, and cannot leave the station you create them at, so don't mess it up . Thanks mate.
Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:26:00 - [17] Quote: # Gates which are currently Smuggler stargates will remain so. # Gates between systems in the same constellation will use Small gates. # Gates between systems in different constellations in the same region will use Medium gates. # Gates between systems in different regions will use Large gates. # Gates between two major hisec empires have border gates of the appropriate faction on each side. # Gates between a major hisec empire (as defined above) and 0.0 space have border gates on both sides; on both sides the gate type is determined by the asteroid pirates present as usual. # Gates in systems with Blood Raider or Sansha asteroid pirates will use Amarr gates. # Gates in systems with Guristas asteroid pirates will use Caldari Gates. # Gates in systems with Serpentis or Rogue Drone asteroid pirates will use Gallente gates. # Gates in systems with Angel asteroid pirates will use Minmatar gates. It's a small change but a welcom one as it makes the universe slightly more believable. *Let My People Go*

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:36:00 - [18] Originally by: Last Wolf What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money? Because PLEXes are in-game items, selling them on eBay is not allowed. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.11.12 12:54:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Fallout Originally by: Last Wolf What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money? Because PLEXes are in-game items, selling them on eBay is not allowed. Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them? Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar

0vermama	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:10:00 - [20] Originally by: Chribba Originally by: CCP Fallout Originally by: Last Wolf What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money? Because PLEXes are in-game items, selling them on eBay is not allowed. Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them? if you sell a GTC for 2m instead of 200m that is not a scam WTF open your(not you C) eyes if you dont open the wallet

Poreuomai Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Chribba Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them? It's the first in-game item market-item which can be bought with RL cash and sold on the open eve-market for ISK, so that's a tricky one regarding scamming. On the other hand, if you are scamming then you would probably NOT actually be dealing with items bought with RL money (though the other party would think you are) so meh. But more to the point, why is Chribba asking about scamming??? *Let My People Go*

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Poreuomai Originally by: Chribba Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them? It's the first in-game item market-item which can be bought with RL cash and sold on the open eve-market for ISK, so that's a tricky one regarding scamming. On the other hand, if you are scamming then you would probably NOT actually be dealing with items bought with RL money (though the other party would think you are) so meh. But more to the point, why is Chribba asking about scamming??? So I can secure it of course No really just to know how they treat it since, as you said, it's the first in-game item that you actually can buy for real money. Secure 3rd party service ■ Veldspar


CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account? You can always apply the ETC code to an expired account through the account management web site. To buy, sell and apply a PLEX token you need to be in-game. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Ki Anna Ki Tech Industries	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:06:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account? You can always apply the ETC code to an expired account through the account management web site. To buy, sell and apply a PLEX token you need to be in-game. Okay, so any idea on when you will allow the application of a PLEX token to an inactive account?
neoe77	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:05:00 - [25] Edited by: neoe77 on 12/11/2008 17:10:46 Edited by: neoe77 on 12/11/2008 17:06:46 Originally by: Ki Anna Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account? You can always apply the ETC code to an expired account through the account management web site. To buy, sell and apply a PLEX token you need to be in-game. Okay, so any idea on when you will allow the application of a PLEX token to an inactive account? I think you cannot do this. unless the inactive account has the isk to buy a PLEX by calling his sprit out from his frozen body to place an order on the plex market, that will not hurt the rule of no-RMT. or it could be a RMT action. --------- check path using eve-path-find
cleardew	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:40:00 - [26] Is there a way to move the PLEX cards? I didn't realize they are not moveable and they have been placed in a hanger far away from Jita, where the PLEX market seems to be a lot more active. I can't undock with them in a cargohold... so any other thoughts? Or any way we can move these around safely?
Last Wolf Umbra Wing	Posted - 2008.11.13 02:45:00 - [27] Originally by: cleardew Is there a way to move the PLEX cards? I didn't realize they are not moveable and they have been placed in a hanger far away from Jita, where the PLEX market seems to be a lot more active. I can't undock with them in a cargohold... so any other thoughts? Or any way we can move these around safely? Read patch notes/dev blog. Besides, I'm never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Chian XinLian Darwin's Contraptions	Posted - 2008.11.13 08:41:00 - [28] How difficult would it be to make all PLEX trading global, orders crossing borders. They are Concord items, so they are global in that sense. Right now they are at best region wide, when you see them on some region @ 200mil, they might as well be 400mil on somewhere else. Currently finding cheapest sell orders / highest buy orders requires flying across several regions. Adding alt to every region aint really an option. Also, since they are station locked and cannot be moved (in any way) market cannot compensate differences through traders/haulers. They can be applied from assets so in that sense there is no reason why they couldnt be traded global instead of current 'region wide at best'.. If you really want PLEX to be adhered with your market in eveuniverse - make plex global commodity..
Rivqua Caldari Omega Wing R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.11.13 10:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Chian XinLian How difficult would it be to make all PLEX trading global, orders crossing borders. They are Concord items, so they are global in that sense. Right now they are at best region wide, when you see them on some region @ 200mil, they might as well be 400mil on somewhere else. Currently finding cheapest sell orders / highest buy orders requires flying across several regions. Adding alt to every region aint really an option. Also, since they are station locked and cannot be moved (in any way) market cannot compensate differences through traders/haulers. They can be applied from assets so in that sense there is no reason why they couldnt be traded global instead of current 'region wide at best'.. If you really want PLEX to be adhered with your market in eveuniverse - make plex global commodity.. Not at best or at worst, they are region wide, period. The market servers are region wide. They don't talk to eachother. They each handle a region. /Riv
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.13 11:01:00 - [30] Originally by: GM Grimmi CCP has not made any special exceptions for the PilotÆs License items. They are treated as regular in-game items with regards to market orders and contracts. Scams are easily avoidable by careful scrutiny of market orders and contracts and we urge anyone to be alert when dealing in PilotÆs Licenses. Be sure to check actual item in contracts and the actual price of the PilotÆs License on offer. Also make sure to check prices for PilotÆs Licenses in market buy and sell orders before accepting the transaction. As with any policy, this is subject to change if deemed necessary. - DesuSigs

Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.13 20:53:00 - [31] You really should make a seperate global market just for plex's, instead of having to buy and sell them at every bloody station in Eve through both market and contracts. There is no need to make them an actual item, they could simply be an electronic concorde license that can be bought, sold or transfered through the neocom. Originally by: CCP Prism X Yeah, and while we're at it we can create a controlled environment around account hacking and credit card fraud and all the other EULA breaches..
Tonto Auri Vhero' Multipurpose Corp	Posted - 2008.11.14 11:07:00 - [32] Just curious. Why PLEX things made with so much underground work involved? Keep it simple, make it's volume 1'000'000 m3 - noone will be able to transport them in any way, so you effectively saved them from leaving station - and that's without any underground coding at all. -- Thanks CCP for cu
MissLiz	Posted - 2008.11.14 22:51:00 - [33] There is free games you can play, or maybe get a job? Or maybe you would like eve to be ad-financed? I think this is a good feature, and the prices will stabilize. I love it. Arri Gato Layeth down the smack!
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.16 06:09:00 - [34] In my humble personal opinion: the manpower should have been saved i think it sends the wrong signals as a producer would say the cost to benefit ratio is off as a ingame 30day gtc only bring very few benefits to players in conclusion ... bring back 30day gtcs for the real world
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.17 11:57:00 - [35] Originally by: IR Scoutar i think it sends the wrong signals as a producer would say the cost to benefit ratio is off as a ingame 30day gtc only bring very few benefits to players 30day ingame GTC brings benefits to players who are currently subscribed and want to extend their subscriptions.
Belmarduk Amarr M.A.R.S. Enterprises Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.11.20 16:12:00 - [36] Great idea - This way the prices will stabilse again again in the long run. Put in a REGIONWIDE wide buy order for a reasonable price and wait (up to 90 days)- then go there with shuttle.
Rata Nrnima	Posted - 2008.11.20 18:27:00 - [37] The plex is too much trouble. Not worth the effort. I will continue to buy and sell on the forums until it is closed or banned. Then I personally will no longer participate. I really do not understand what the fuss is about over what people do with their money to aid others, but - I purchase and sell most to benefit those I know personally that cannot continue to pay for whatever reason - Understanding the global economic realities, My purpose was to aid rl friend afford to play. Why should not some benefit from real life money being converted into "imaginary" isk come to the person doing the conversion. As long as the persons buying and selling are happy why the anger from those not directly involved? Why disdain for those that do participate in this?
Terminal Insanity Minmatar Echo Squad	Posted - 2008.11.22 08:42:00 - [38] Needs a "Transfer PLEX to current station" button. Also, you should clarify that buying a GTC on the forums securely, can NOT convert into PLEX cards. There have been several people wondering how to move their GTC that they bought from the eve secure system into PLEX cards.
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.26 02:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Rata Nrnima I purchase and sell most to benefit those I know personally that cannot continue to pay for whatever reason - Understanding the global economic realities, My purpose was to aid rl friend afford to play. Can you trade PLEX through the contract system?
CyberGh0st Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.11.26 10:23:00 - [40] Nice system, I like it :p CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Retired @ DAoC / WoW / SWG / LOTRO / Diablo / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars / EQ / UO

mad27k	Posted - 2008.11.27 21:47:00 - [41] once the prices become acceptable il start playing again....and yea a global market would be much more useful, sucks having to fly back to empire to get a gtc.
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.28 01:09:00 - [42] Originally by: mad27k sucks having to fly back to empire to get a gtc. Do you not have a jump clone in Empire space?
Zanpt Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:30:00 - [43] This feature strikes me as a poor and complicated workaround for the problem created by removal of 30d and 90d GTCs. The programming that went into this would have been better spent on fixing bugs and/or fixing broken things like the inability of alliance members to use POS corp hangars or to anchor their own corp hangars at a POS, or the inability to name a corp hangar to tell them apart. Since the unsubbed training nerf I no longer buy GTCs and no longer sell them for ISK in game. I will not make use of this new PLEX feature.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:30:00 - [44] Edited by: Dasfry on 03/12/2008 00:33:01 Originally by: Last Wolf What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money? Ebay itself doesn't allow most virtual item sells anymore Neither does CCP, in terms of in game items. If you feel i'm wrong please explain along with some evidence to the contrary *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:35:00 - [45] Originally by: branodn lee did ccp think about that fact now the gtc price's are going to double unless you stop it. i say eve total accounts are going to go down by 10% because who is going to pay 350mill or more per 30days.. Its a classic case of supply and demand. As the price goes up, more suppliers will be interested in selling what they can supply. Thus giving a downward force on the market prices for PLEX'es. Of course in the begining there will be more demand then supply as is most of all items. Just give it time to stabilize. After that then figure out way to improve competition & supply. Prices will drop there after. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:50:00 - [46] Originally by: Caiman Graystock Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price. I agree for the most part. Its been on the market for less then 20 days, to assume the price will always be like this is silly. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:51:00 - [47] Originally by: branodn lee Originally by: Caiman Graystock Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price. thats why i say only about 10% will kill off 1 or more accounts. i know i will have to close all 4 of my accounts, even this one. i cant afford to pay for eve with rl cash, and i cant afford it with isk now ether... How much where u paying before? *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:53:00 - [48] Originally by: Skeezer How do you set up a sell order for the pilot's license? Right click the PLEX in your hanger. Click 'Sell this item' Next click on 'Advanced' fill in the blanks to your preferences hit sell Congrats you'e completed a sell order *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:54:00 - [49] Originally by: Arri Gato I think this is a good feature, and the prices will stabilize. Agreed *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:55:00 - [50] Originally by: Chaos Incarnate I suppose the question raised in one of the GD threads deserves some reposting: Are scams involving PLEX's going to be legal, or should we expect swift GM action if someone sells his code to me for 2m instead of 200m. Not that I would, just wondering for posterity Thats not a scam *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics

Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.03 00:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Chian XinLian How difficult would it be to make all PLEX trading global, orders crossing borders. They are Concord items, so they are global in that sense. Right now they are at best region wide, when you see them on some region @ 200mil, they might as well be 400mil on somewhere else. Currently finding cheapest sell orders / highest buy orders requires flying across several regions. Adding alt to every region aint really an option. Also, since they are station locked and cannot be moved (in any way) market cannot compensate differences through traders/haulers. They can be applied from assets so in that sense there is no reason why they couldnt be traded global instead of current 'region wide at best'.. If you really want PLEX to be adhered with your market in eveuniverse - make plex global commodity.. Not nessary use Eve-Central http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=29668 Once there just type in PLEX in the search box gives you list of prices across many regions. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Ranger 1 Amarr Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.03 18:02:00 - [52] Thank you for that link, I had forgotten it. ===== * Now I know how George Washington felt when Napoleon bombed him at Pearl Harbor. - Beast Boy
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.04 03:29:00 - [53] Edited by: Dasfry on 04/12/2008 03:29:15 Originally by: CCP Navigator Quantum Rise, the latest expansion release for EVE Online, has been deployed. The Tranquility server is now online and accepting connections. Please use this thread to provide us with your feedback and thoughts on the deployment of PLEX (30 day Pilots License Extension). It is important to us to know of any issues that you encounter or feedback that you have while using this new feature. Full details regarding PLEX can be found in Oveur's Blog. The Dev Team will be monitoring this thread throughout the next few days to keep abreast of the PLEX deployment and status. I do have a request, please increase supply of the in game PLEX's. I realize you're going to say well the players are in control of the supply for sell. Well true but some of the ways you can increase supply is by educating the player base on how to create in game PLEX's Right now in Jita at this house there appears to be only 8 sell orders. selling at 315 to 375 isk each with another 2 sellers selling at 600mil each. Yet you have over 20 buy orders paying 300+ mil each. Right now Demand is greater then supply as of Dec 4 2008 3:28 in game time *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
HyperZerg	Posted - 2008.12.07 19:01:00 - [54] Don't like it. Maybe make the Market for this item global since it's not a real item. Missing the possibility to reactivate a account.
Sir Ibex	Posted - 2008.12.08 04:34:00 - [55] PLEXes was a great idea, but this will change if the price will rise to unreasonable levels due to greedy merchants manipulating the market... Also, WHO WILL CONTROL THE SUPPLY of these PLEXes? CCP? Currently I haven't heard of players "manufacturing" them... I propose that PLEXes are PRICE FIXED at 180 million isk, and made an NPC only item that you can only buy, but cannot sell. Why 180 mil? Because that is how much 30 day time cards used to cost before they were removed. Since CCP removed ghost training, this would be a nice alternative. It would be a nice money sink too!
Leena Kian	Posted - 2008.12.10 10:05:00 - [56] is it possible to activate PLEX remotely? you know... PLEX is in Jita, Im somewhre in null space, can I still activate it or do I have to fly to Jita?
svings	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:16:00 - [57] I think this cards are awesomness (bit prizy though). The only pity is that you cant buy one to transfer it to another alt character beiing that unactive...
champinoman Caldari Illuminated Industries	Posted - 2008.12.10 15:49:00 - [58] Originally by: Sir Ibex PLEXes was a great idea, but this will change if the price will rise to unreasonable levels due to greedy merchants manipulating the market... Also, WHO WILL CONTROL THE SUPPLY of these PLEXes? CCP? Currently I haven't heard of players "manufacturing" them... I propose that PLEXes are PRICE FIXED at 180 million isk, and made an NPC only item that you can only buy, but cannot sell. Why 180 mil? Because that is how much 30 day time cards used to cost before they were removed. Since CCP removed ghost training, this would be a nice alternative. It would be a nice money sink too! Actually players do Manufacture them... kind of. The Plexs are not seeded into the game. They are put on the market when someone buys a GTC and enter the code into the game. Its exactly the same as selling in the forum except the 60 day GTC is split into 2 30 day plex's.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2008.12.10 18:03:00 - [59] Edited by: Claire Voyant on 10/12/2008 18:05:17 On the whole, I like the new system. Having a transparent market for PLEX's will make it easier to get a fair price. But you do need to keep the forum timecode bazaar open for alt accounts that have become inactive, at least until you find another way to reactivate those accounts. Thankfully, the in-game PLEX market will help to keep the forum bazaar prices honest. I'm not entirely sure why PLEX's can't leave station, but I assume it has something to do with keeping a strict accounting for them. Especially to make sure they can't be jetisoned in space and transferred to another pilot without it being recorded. Perhaps CCP will create a global market for plexes or somehow permit them to be transported in the future, but the contract system does permit you to list your PLEX's globally, as long as the buyer is willing to travel to your region to buy it. Activating from the assets tab is very useful, but in most cases you to need to be in the region to buy it. However, you can use an empire jump clone or even an alt (in the same account) to buy and sell PLEX's. Even if you don't have an empire jump clone (or don't want the bother of jumping) doesn't everyone have an alt in Jita? There is nothing to prevent you from having your alt convert a GTC to PLEX's and sell them in Jita or for your alt to buy a PLEX and apply it to your account. And if you have multiple accounts, can't you use a private contract to transfer a PLEX form one account to another and accept (and activate) it even if your characters aren't in the same region? Yes the price of PLEX's seem quite high, but wasn't the writing on the wall when CCP raised the price of GTC's last June? Perhaps the liquidity of the PLEX market will raise the supply and lower the price in isk. When I mentioned to my noob corp mates that they could legally buy more than 600 million isk for $35 buy selling PLEX's, most of them responded with "Wow! Really?" and "What's a PLEX?" Having a fixed price for PLEX's would probably kill the market and it wouldn't help anyone to have cheap PLEX's if there was no supply of people willing to sell them at that price. CCP is clearly making money off of this system since an account using PLEX's is generating $210 per year for them and their resellers while a subscription account only makes them $131.40. So it is their interest to keep it thriving, and I'm sure they will do everything in their power to do so.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:18:00 - [60] Originally by: HyperZerg Don't like it. Maybe make the Market for this item global since it's not a real item. Missing the possibility to reactivate a account. There already exists to ways to see it 'global' You check the contracts database in all regions for 'plex' Or you goto Eve-central to check all region markets for 'plex' Eve-central.com http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=29668 Once there just type in PLEX in the search box gives you list of prices across many regions. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics

HyperZerg	Posted - 2008.12.11 00:27:00 - [61] Originally by: Dasfry Originally by: HyperZerg Don't like it. Maybe make the Market for this item global since it's not a real item. Missing the possibility to reactivate a account. There already exists to ways to see it 'global' You check the contracts database in all regions for 'plex' Or you goto Eve-central to check all region markets for 'plex' Eve-central.com http://eve-central.com/home/quicklook.html?typeid=29668 Once there just type in PLEX in the search box gives you list of prices across many regions. Only half true. Yes you can check prices. but i mean that you can buy them everywhere. So even if you are in Jove-Empire that you can buy a plex and use it. Or that you can use plex that are on a other station too.
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2008.12.11 18:16:00 - [62] I think is a good feature, i like it, already bought and used one, easy as pie. Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is wi
Zel Nughat Amarr Nughat Corp	Posted - 2008.12.11 20:31:00 - [63] As a side note, id like to add another idea of mine about PLEX, that some might find useful: Add a new option to the PLEX right click menu that reads something like 'Activate to...' Upon clicking on it, a search pilot mini window opens, the user types the name, and the PLEX gets applied to the chosen pilot and the 30 days added to his time counter. This way one can give it to someone far away or give it to a a pilot on an inactive account. Fly safe, .o/ Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is wi
Dianalexia	Posted - 2008.12.12 18:56:00 - [64] Edited by: Dianalexia on 12/12/2008 18:57:13 Sarcasm: Is it me, or with the current model CCP can actively fight ISK sellers by establishing the floor for the GTC selling? I mean, they can write a script that could fill the sell orders, trimming the extra 30 day's licenses and keeping the price steady. Actually i think that players could not be needed anymore for 30 day's licenses buying. I'm not accusing, i'm just cautious towards somebody that has such great power.
Gonzo Hadron Gracious Bodily Harm	Posted - 2008.12.12 19:05:00 - [65] I think there should be an option to move the cards, a simple right click option. I'm sure there have to be a few people out there that bought them in teh wrong station when they bought them to trade.
Weltmarkt	Posted - 2008.12.12 23:09:00 - [66] Originally by: Zel Nughat As a side note, id like to add another idea of mine about PLEX, that some might find useful: Add a new option to the PLEX right click menu that reads something like 'Activate to...' Upon clicking on it, a search pilot mini window opens, the user types the name, and the PLEX gets applied to the chosen pilot and the 30 days added to his time counter. This way one can give it to someone far away or give it to a a pilot on an inactive account. Fly safe, .o/ Yes please!
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.13 00:59:00 - [67] Originally by: Dianalexia Edited by: Dianalexia on 12/12/2008 18:57:13 Sarcasm: Is it me, or with the current model CCP can actively fight ISK sellers by establishing the floor for the GTC selling? I mean, they can write a script that could fill the sell orders, trimming the extra 30 day's licenses and keeping the price steady. Actually i think that players could not be needed anymore for 30 day's licenses buying. I'm not accusing, i'm just cautious towards somebody that has such great power. This would ruin the point of the player run economy. If it was all pre-seeded *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Dianalexia	Posted - 2008.12.13 09:50:00 - [68] Originally by: Dasfry Originally by: Dianalexia Edited by: Dianalexia on 12/12/2008 18:57:13 Sarcasm: Is it me, or with the current model CCP can actively fight ISK sellers by establishing the floor for the GTC selling? I mean, they can write a script that could fill the sell orders, trimming the extra 30 day's licenses and keeping the price steady. Actually i think that players could not be needed anymore for 30 day's licenses buying. I'm not accusing, i'm just cautious towards somebody that has such great power. This would ruin the point of the player run economy. If it was all pre-seeded You miss the point. By miles. Or you did not understood what i'm trying to say and i beg your pardon for not being clear enough. When reading my statement, please, if you don't want to be distracted, assume that the price of a 30 day's plex is 1 ISK. Anyway, as we all know, a company has all the legal rights that a person has but it lacks conscience. And companyes have share holders. And CCP now have the tools to completly bypass the players. And we're talking about real money. Thank you.
Claire Voyant	Posted - 2008.12.13 16:51:00 - [69] Originally by: Dianalexia Edited by: Dianalexia on 12/12/2008 18:57:13 Sarcasm: Is it me, or with the current model CCP can actively fight ISK sellers by establishing the floor for the GTC selling? I mean, they can write a script that could fill the sell orders, trimming the extra 30 day's licenses and keeping the price steady. Actually i think that players could not be needed anymore for 30 day's licenses buying. I'm not accusing, i'm just cautious towards somebody that has such great power. You make a very good point, which probably deserves to be clarified and expanded. The PLEX market will help improve CCP's cash flow, but if CCP were to manipulate the PLEX market their cash flow could be improved so much more. A player account using PLEXs is generating $210 of income per year from GTCs for CCP and their resellers compared with $131.40 for a fully paid annual subscription, so that is a clear advantage for CCP. The problem is that CCP could potentially buy up PLEXs on the in-game market for isk which would help them in even more ways: 1) Taking PLEXs off the market which should generate more GTC sales. 2) Raising prices for PLEXs which should bring more sellers into the market buying up even more GTCs 3) Making the legal exchange rate for isk through GTCs and PLEXs more competetitve with the illegal market, shifting customers away from the illegal market and to buying GTCs 4) Driving isk sellers out of business and therefore creating even more demand for GTCs 5) Lastly, raising the price of PLEX's could cause some players to go back to paying for their accounts and generating even more income for CCP. So it is clearly to the benefit of CCP to have higher prices for PLEXs, and they could sustain those higher prices by buying up PLEXs. In effect they would be selling isk for cash, but the PLEX market would allow them to do this surreptitiously.
nekolove Eve University	Posted - 2008.12.13 19:36:00 - [70] Prices will stabilize once you can convert from GTC bought through forum secure system to PLEX. Else, they are at speculator's will (overinflated).

Claire Voyant	Posted - 2008.12.13 22:52:00 - [71] Originally by: nekolove Prices will stabilize once you can convert from GTC bought through forum secure system to PLEX. Else, they are at speculator's will (overinflated). That's a curious thought. If I have GTC to sell, I will take them whichever place gives me the best price. Right now it is clearly the PLEX market. All that I can figure is that the poor souls that are selling GTCs on the timecode bazaar for prices under Jita PLEX prices just haven't figured out how to to get the best price for what they are selling. And people who are paying "inflated" prices for PLEXs in Jita either can't be bothered to deal with the archaic forum system where everybody knows who is selling and buying GTCs or they they have their own reason for paying a slight premium. Right now I think the Jita PLEX market is beating the forum timecode bazaar hands down in volume. And with higher volume goes fairer prices.
Imiarr Timshae Caldari Funny Men In Funny Hats	Posted - 2008.12.20 00:31:00 - [72] I hate you so much, whoever came up with this. I would, in fact, give a portion of my personal wealth towards killing you.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.22 01:06:00 - [73] Edited by: Dasfry on 22/12/2008 01:11:36 Originally by: Dianalexia You miss the point. By miles. Or you did not understood what i'm trying to say and i beg your pardon for not being clear enough. When reading my statement, please, if you don't want to be distracted, assume that the price of a 30 day's plex is 1 ISK. Anyway, as we all know, a company has all the legal rights that a person has but it lacks conscience. And companyes have share holders. And CCP now have the tools to completly bypass the players. And we're talking about real money. Thank you. So in your opinion its conspiracy, CCP creates a supply(sells time codes) and then in game creates its own demand (buys PLEX'es for isk). Technically they could do that but as I said earlier it would ruin the player run market on PLEX'es. Although i would agree, that greed can blind people & businesses. So it is possible, I have no proof fore or against, but I doubt that is what CCP is doing. I would love to hear a DEV say officially that CCP is not buying up all the PLEX'es in game. That would crush your conspiracy theory, and we can move on to why the prices are fluctuating for other reasons. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Huan CK Gallente Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion	Posted - 2008.12.23 19:13:00 - [74] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=934914&page=1#1 This link shows what I think of the PLEX and how it should be handled. If you sell a 60d GTC to someone, it immediately gets applied to the buyer, so reselling them is not possible (or at least not supported), yet the PLEX item invites more and more resellers, and in their way of striving for profit, the resellers drive the prices up to maintain their profit margins. Due to the reason for PLEXs and 60d GTCs and their official support to be traded by CCP, it should be noted that reselling those items is kind of contradicting to parts of its purpose. Please read the whole thread for more details, there's a lot of information in there. My videos: Watch on youtube.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.24 03:16:00 - [75] Originally by: Huan CK http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=934914&page=1#1 This link shows what I think of the PLEX and how it should be handled. If you sell a 60d GTC to someone, it immediately gets applied to the buyer, so reselling them is not possible (or at least not supported), yet the PLEX item invites more and more resellers, and in their way of striving for profit, the resellers drive the prices up to maintain their profit margins. Due to the reason for PLEXs and 60d GTCs and their official support to be traded by CCP, it should be noted that reselling those items is kind of contradicting to parts of its purpose. Please read the whole thread for more details, there's a lot of information in there. Basicly your just saying you want to restrict how plex'es are used because they're not at the price you dictate Wrong. *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Huan CK Gallente Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion	Posted - 2008.12.24 07:43:00 - [76] No, you didn't get my point. I dont care if prices are 10 isk, or 1bn isk per PLEX, it just drives me mad that the prices are reseller dictated. CCP implemented the GTCs to a) fight RMT and b) give players who cannot afford to pay for eve a way to keep playing. It's a service to the community, and currently the ones dictating the prices are neither the sellers, nor the buyers, its the resellers. For them it doesn't matter if prices are at 10 isk or 10 billion, as long as they can resell to someone else for slightly more isk. But it does matter to the people who pay for their gametime by aquiring GTC/PLEX for isk to continue to play eve. The resellers have their place in EVE, and that's ok, but giving them the chance to work the market with an item that was ment to also be a service to the playerbase is kinda... wrong. My videos: Watch on youtube.
Frances Ducoir Gallente Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion	Posted - 2008.12.24 08:00:00 - [77] Well, CCP implemented GTC to fight RMT and to give players without RL-money a chance to play. You could see it as service for the community, at least partially, and when 3rd parties profit from a service to the community, something is seriously wrong. Therefore I agree with the OP. Regarding 15$ and doing something else bull***: There's students who just cannot get any work and are constantly low on money due to the fact that they can't find a job because of their weird class schedule. There's people who have jobs that don't pay very well who already do work 10+ hours a day and still have to turn every penny twice.... (Could go on like that the whole day). I don't say there is a need for EVE, but CCP gave those people a way to play, too. No matter the price, if its very low or sky high, resellers always make a small profit, but they keep faking real prices and worth by artificially creating more demand than there really is. If there was only 10 PLEXs in whole of eve, and no buyers at all, but tons of resellers, those 10 PLEX cards would cycle through the reseller hands time after time after time, while prices go up steadily since everyone of them will want to make a profit. Due to the frequent resales the market history will look quite lovely, and it would "seem" attractive to buy and resell, since it appears that there's a demand for this item. Even if no PLEX would ever be bought to be used, the prices would keep driving up that way. For the above stated reasons I therefore think that the resale of the PLEX contradicts its very purpose. snip* Signiture remoted because it contained profanity - hutch
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.24 11:44:00 - [78] Originally by: Frances Ducoir If there was only 10 PLEXs in whole of eve, and no buyers at all, but tons of resellers, those 10 PLEX cards would cycle through the reseller hands time after time after time, while prices go up steadily since everyone of them will want to make a profit. Due to the frequent resales the market history will look quite lovely, and it would "seem" attractive to buy and resell, since it appears that there's a demand for this item. Even if no PLEX would ever be bought to be used, the prices would keep driving up that way. If this where the case where only 10 existed... It would become a collectible and would worth 100's of billions. Just like rare car's become collectibles. How many model T's do you see on the road? its rare how much did they orginally cost to build? not much and how much would u have a pay to get one today? a TON Again the problem is there isn't enough supply *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics
Huan CK Gallente Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion	Posted - 2008.12.24 12:14:00 - [79] Dasfry, how about you try to comment on a whole reply for once instead of ripping a single line out of context? I think he just stated an example. Let it be 10k instead of 10, and it'd still work the same way he described it. Fact is: 3rd parties fake the real value of the item by resales and also create a false impression on supply and demand. 3rd parties profit of the "service to the community". You always refer to your resellers as "grocery stores" and "retailers". Well, you're wrong. The eve market can be better represented by a flea market. You dont buy stuff and put it in your store, you buy/aquire stuff and place it on a public stand, just like on the flea market. What you're doing is just buy them from someone else on the flea market and put them on your table instead for an increased prise. You don't add to the comfort, either, since you're not collecting them elsewhere and bring them to a trade hub (you simply cant), and you dont make them available in mass, or take bulks from sellers so they get their money faster. The supply is the same with or without you, since its the very same item, the very same location, and the very same amount, just at a higher price. Therefore you do nothing but inflate prices with resales. Again, I don't care about their prices, and I'm not argumenting because I want cheaper PLEXs, I just want it to be "fair" value without 3rd parties interfering with a service to the community, which ccp created. With the secure game time code trading and support and having to asign cards to a character, resales were impossible. CCP has worked a long time to get to this point. Why should the PLEXs mess up that system now? Making resales impossible would just be in line with everything they did prior to PLEXs. My videos: Watch on youtube.
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.12.24 22:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Huan CK Dasfry, how about you try to comment on a whole reply for once instead of ripping a single line out of context? I am focusing on what I find interesting about your post. Do you really want me to sit here and reply and post my opinion on every single line of text people post? No i just want to focus on what I agree with or don't' agree with or what I find interesting that you posted about. Originally by: Huan CK Again, I don't care about their prices, and I'm not argumenting because I want cheaper PLEXs, I just want it to be "fair" value without 3rd parties interfering with a service to the community, which ccp created. People will always try to manipulate the price. People will always try to gain a profit. It always happens, you're beating your head into a wall trying to stop them. You're beating your head into a wall trying to outlaw/ban their practice. If there is too much supply the players that try to do this waste their time. It only works if they can control all or the majority of the replacement supply. But it fails when they are many replacement suppliers That would be like, going to jita and buying all the merlins for sell. Then relisting them for $1,000,000.00 isk each. Then giggling because you think you're smart. Only to see a few hours later someone completed manufacturing of several hundred merlins and listed them for $299,999.00 isk. Then you realize you're not that smart. Or trying to manipulate the market price of shuttles back when shuttles where supplied by NPC's. No matter how hard you tried the NPC's just kept supplying the market with shuttles. Again in conclusion, there simply needs to be more supply, so manipulation becomes a harder/difficult practice. Perhaps some people do not know how to supply the market with more PLEX'es. Perhaps they are afraid to $ buy things online. Perhaps they don't want to $ buy things online. Perhaps they do but its to confusing, on how to do? Perhaps there are more reasons why? *********** Dasfry, Director Demio's Corporation Military Tactics

Dianalexia	Posted - 2008.12.31 11:36:00 - [81] Originally by: Dasfry Edited by: Dasfry on 22/12/2008 01:11:36 Originally by: Dianalexia You miss the point. By miles. Or you did not understood what i'm trying to say and i beg your pardon for not being clear enough. When reading my statement, please, if you don't want to be distracted, assume that the price of a 30 day's plex is 1 ISK. Anyway, as we all know, a company has all the legal rights that a person has but it lacks conscience. And companyes have share holders. And CCP now have the tools to completly bypass the players. And we're talking about real money. Thank you. So in your opinion its conspiracy, CCP creates a supply(sells time codes) and then in game creates its own demand (buys PLEX'es for isk). Technically they could do that but as I said earlier it would ruin the player run market on PLEX'es. Although i would agree, that greed can blind people & businesses. So it is possible, I have no proof fore or against, but I doubt that is what CCP is doing. I would love to hear a DEV say officially that CCP is not buying up all the PLEX'es in game. That would crush your conspiracy theory, and we can move on to why the prices are fluctuating for other reasons. Ah, damn, please stop this! Pointing to an issue is different from "OMG, CCP is playing tricks on us! Don't feed the beast, OMG!". I was just rising the player awareness to this matter. I just said that, if they want, they can do this, not that they already did it or will do it in the future. Quote: "I'm not accusing, i'm just cautious towards somebody that has such great power." Anyway, let's leave it as it is already. Happy new year!
Raelie	Posted - 2009.01.14 02:30:00 - [82] I like Zel's idea from the quote. These should also be not-for-resale the same as secure trading of ETC. Once you buy it the only thing you an do is activate it, possibly from assets menu, and select a target such as Zel suggested. The last thing we need is Jita scalpers buying them up and attaching no-value-added profits onto the market item. Originally by: Zel Nughat As a side note, id like to add another idea of mine about PLEX, that some might find useful: Add a new option to the PLEX right click menu that reads something like 'Activate to...' Upon clicking on it, a search pilot mini window opens, the user types the name, and the PLEX gets applied to the chosen pilot and the 30 days added to his time counter. This way one can give it to someone far away or give it to a a pilot on an inactive account. Fly safe, .o/
Dasfry Caldari Demio's Corporation 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.03 08:32:00 - [83] Originally by: Dasfry Again in conclusion, there simply needs to be more supply... Looks like PLEX prices have come down approx 10%.
Dr Sheepbringer Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.05 21:30:00 - [84] I was just wondering.... 2x plexes cost 34,99$ OR 34,99Ç.... wtf? It should be around 26Ç! Stop scamming! I'm a bit curious about how CCP will change this. If you buy a GTC from shattered crystal it's 34,99$ or 26Ç, and then you can still sell it ingame. Or the seller buys a plex from CCP and pays 34,99$ or 34,99Ç...my guess is that the farmers etc. whatever you want to call them, will buy gametime from where they get it the cheapest. Why would a european customer ever buy a PLEX? You can just save the euros and buy more gaming time and turn that into isk. ISK = trade, PLEX = trade. Stop whining.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:08:00 - [85] Just a new player's questions: 1) What is the exact difference between buying ISK for real life money (forbidden) and buying ISK for real life money (PLEX)? 2) What prevents people from buying ISK for real life money (forbidden but happens enough so that the always well known ISK sellers still prosper) so that they can buy a PLEX for a lower net real life money amount than it would be required to buy a legit GTC? I have done some quick math and with some ISK seller prices it's very possible. 3) Is EvE turning into a micropayment game, where if you can't affort to buy PLEXes you lose terrain against the competition? It's easy to see if you are competing against another corporation, pouring in a couple of PLEXes give you some billions to effectively counter the opponent's strategies / play their market / stay ahead of them at getting better ships...


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