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Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:05:00 - [1] Originally by: branodn lee as the subject says, who thinks ccp went to far on the nerf of missiles. I do. Oh, and I fly Amarr. I suspect that the real reason for the missile nerf is that, story-line-wise, CCP need the Gallente to win. Because their Q&A department couldn't have screwed them up this bad on purpose, right? Right? Oh. Right.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:09:00 - [2] Originally by: Goyda Wanna kill a missle laden battleship, just get 4 or 5 assault frigs with after burners and you can speed tank cruise and torps. I have wicked missle skills and we tested it. I could not kill the AF. cruise hitting for 11 and torps for 7. I'm just not sure how this makes sense. like saying a REAL battleship would not be able to sink a small destroyer or frigate. sheesh. well it was bound to happen I guess. Every mmorpg I've played turned into making the game easier for new players and the carebear players, which is about the time I moved on. I didn't complain when they nerfed NOS, made sense. And now it's nearly impossible for a battleship to kill a frigate ! like saying you can't squish a bug with your boot because you're SO much bigger than it, and it has a small sig radius. ugh... and yes I have PLENTY of cheese to go with this whine. To kill AF: Fit: 1 Web 1 Scram 1 Heavy Neut Activate all on your target and saute gently. Serve to taste.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment so umm... what are missiles good for now? When compared to guns, nothing. Unless you catch a HAC nano-ing.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Megan Maynard Hitting ships that fit a MWD. Lights to hit frigs. Heavies to hit cruisers or BC. Cruiser or torps for BS Not that difficult. I admire (actually, not really) your ability to ignore what all the people who actually use missiles are saying and simply claim that they are fine. Guess what? They aren't. They have drastically reduced DPS.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment Originally by: Vikarion Originally by: Demonic Sentiment so umm... what are missiles good for now? When compared to guns, nothing. Unless you catch a HAC nano-ing. ok and now that nanoing doesnt exist anymore? That's why everyone is rather upset.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:37:00 - [6] Originally by: Demonic Sentiment really? Well, except for Gallente players. Well, except for sub-BS Gallente players. Who use drones.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 03:58:00 - [7] Edited by: Vikarion on 12/11/2008 03:57:45 Originally by: Helios III The OP didn't ask any questions, however this seems a good place to say that I think missiles are fine. Let me guess...you don't use them much, right? Let's see your certificates.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Korovyov Originally by: Soporo Only if you're attempting to engage a smaller ship class with an outsized weapon. You're fine against same size class at ship default speeds and you know it. Missiles are not, and you know that too. Blaster Whiners > Missile Whiners Hell, they were keen on the impending doom months ago while you guys were busy... not noticing? I was too busy pointing out that autocannons and artillery are terrible.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 04:54:00 - [9] Originally by: Terianna Eri I tried shooting a drake in a thorax today, turned on MWD and burnt right at it. Three volleys of precision scourge put me into 75% armor, turning off the MWD didn't so much help. Well, duh. MWD'ing ships are the one thing missiles are now guaranteed to hurt. Originally by: Terianna Eri Not sure what you guys are complaining about, the only things that are actually going to be fitting ABs anyway are frigates and you couldn't kill those before the patch either. A) Yes we could, and B) why not?
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.12 08:35:00 - [10] Originally by: Ragnar Darkstar What a bummer. I used to enjoy coming home from work to play a nice level four in less than an hour. Now it takes all night. What people are saying about missile ships being inline with other races in PVE is true, but that really only shows how bad EVE PVE already was. Theoretically, in a well balanced game no race should have a particular advantage in PVE, and it should be fun and do-able for all races. But with hordes of smaller ships, and turrets sucking at tracking them, it just became a royal pain in the ass for most ships save the missile ships and the drone ships. Now those are being nerfed. At some point, EVE should take a serious look at the PVE system and redo it from the ground up so that all races can fly and enjoy relatively profitable PVE. Until then, the minimum they could do is undo this missile nerf. I'm coming to the conclusion that "fun" isn't a part of CCP's vaunted "vision". Apparently we are supposed to find "fun" in mining and giant fleet fights. Yippee. I think I'm gonna barf.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:53:00 - [11] Originally by: Kransthow adapt or die Not to be offensive, but there should be a difference between adapting and training a new race to PvP with.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic hmm so much people saying missiles suck. this makes me start to believe that they use other missiles than me Cruise are still fine for missions if you are careful and use drones as well. The problem is in PvP. Stealth bombers are even more worthless now, Heavy-class missile suck versus their intended targets, etc. And blasters/blaster ships took a major hit.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.29 07:37:00 - [13] Originally by: Severe Admin wow look how stupid you are. missiles dont need a "fix" minmitar was destroyed by the nano nerf. They arent getting a fix. Neither will your missiles. time to deal with it. also cry moar pls. Minmatar were in trouble before the nerf (esp. battleships) and are in trouble after. But nerfing missiles also nerfs minmatar, so it's kind of been doubled up.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.29 07:58:00 - [14] Yes, mission runners should definitely learn to use drones. But it's not all about them - missile PvP took a huge hit, and it wasn't exactly healthy to begin with.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.29 08:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Rico Felix Missiles actually hit ships MWDing now instead of not doing anything. Small ships using AB (utilizing their tiny sig radius) are better off versus larger missiles, makes sense to me. And versus smaller missiles. Missiles weren't scaled correctly, so now you can get a nano effect versus even small missiles if you fit an AB.

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