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Mandi'boboo Zapelne	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:48:00 - [31] Originally by: Blondieonsum Instead of just whines which make my skin crawl, can anyone offer any examples of how us guys with 10 mill plus in missiles can "benefit" from this patch? It can't be THAT bad, can it? Hello Blondieonsum! :) No I am not going to whine, I knew this was coming. I am all specialized on missile warfare, so I can provide one example for you. All I have to say that it is not "THAT bad", it is worse. Contact me for the purchase of my rigged Drake, and my other ships who all use missiles. With years of training missile skills I dont feel like starting over from scratch. Luckily this isn't a main, but a char that was created after 2 years in Eve. So you cn have this char for whatever it might be worth - swap with a Navitas anyone? Real money isn't allowed, but I accept one small bag of Bassets Allsorts. Anyhow Blondieonsum. Buy my char and you can see for youself - extremely cheap but worthless right now. (See? I am still not whining, only telling the truth, consequances and the extent of this.)
Rellik B00n Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.11.12 13:59:00 - [32] Im positive that deciding to train all 4 races during my trial whilst initially a mistake has paid dividends again and again. oh missiles? theyre ****ed.
Malcanis RuffRyders Eradication Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:22:00 - [33] Originally by: Mandi'boboo Zapelne Originally by: Blondieonsum Instead of just whines which make my skin crawl, can anyone offer any examples of how us guys with 10 mill plus in missiles can "benefit" from this patch? It can't be THAT bad, can it? Hello Blondieonsum! :) No I am not going to whine, I knew this was coming. I am all specialized on missile warfare, so I can provide one example for you. All I have to say that it is not "THAT bad", it is worse. Contact me for the purchase of my rigged Drake, and my other ships who all use missiles. With years of training missile skills I dont feel like starting over from scratch. Luckily this isn't a main, but a char that was created after 2 years in Eve. So you cn have this char for whatever it might be worth - swap with a Navitas anyone? Real money isn't allowed, but I accept one small bag of Bassets Allsorts. Anyhow Blondieonsum. Buy my char and you can see for youself - extremely cheap but worthless right now. (See? I am still not whining, only telling the truth, consequances and the extent of this.) Confirming XxxChickenLittlexxX will receive the ISK amirite? You realise that it's quite possible that the current state of affairs is not permanent, right?
Gabriel Karade Nulli-Secundus	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:28:00 - [34] I've got some positive spin: If I use an afterburner, your torps do less damage to my Blasterthron....ahahahahahah!!!... cry -------------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Mandi'boboo Zapelne	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Malcanis Confirming XxxChickenLittlexxX will receive the ISK amirite? You realise that it's quite possible that the current state of affairs is not permanent, right? ChickenLittle? Lollerskates, would have loved that name for a char. Specially a pirate one. :P But you are right, this cant be permanent, not that I expect a rollback either, but they need to look into this and make one adjustment since the consequences are too severe. So seriously, if I hadn't any hope they come to their senses I would have contracted the ships to the industry guy and recycled them already. So I actually must say I give a thumbs up to CCP, not only did they actually dare go with these changes, I really expected them to dilute the changes in the last minute. As one old player I also have faith that they will find that not all were good ones, and make the appropriate changes.
Taius Pax	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:40:00 - [36] Originally by: Oftherocks Small missiles do more damage against cruisers than before. Large missiles do mare damage against BS's than before. I would guess cruise missiles do more damage against caps. Those are pretty much the positives. No. Really they don't.
Xaa Minmatar House Arrakis	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:42:00 - [37] From local chat: [13:52:56] Abrazzar > anyone else noticed that you can speed tank rat torpedos in a battleship now?
Maxpie Cross Roads	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:46:00 - [38] I've only done 1 mission so far - Rogue Drone Harassment. Granted it's an easy mission, but I seemed to blow through the drones quicker than usual in my Typhoon using cruise, ac and drones. Of course, I use a target painter by the way. I don't know why people whine about any change to the game, really. It's just a game. Have fun with it. If some things get changed, it's just part of the game. Why is it such a big deal? I've been playing Eve a long time now and I've always enjoyed it despite the many times "Eve is dying" due to the various changes. He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things.
Misina Arlath Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:47:00 - [39] Positive spin on missiles. ISK-farmers who do mission runs in CNR's might now die from boredom instead and/or rather focus on farming currency (read: gold, plat, isk) in a different game. -------------------------------------------------- "Every complex problem has a solution which is easy, neat and wrong!"
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:53:00 - [40] Originally by: Blondieonsum Instead of just whines which make my skin crawl, can anyone offer any examples of how us guys with 10 mill plus in missiles can "benefit" from this patch? It can't be THAT bad, can it? The extra 10.5% base damage increase to T2 Fury missiles has really made my DPS skyrocket vs. BC/BS targets from my Lachesis, Drake, Cerb etc. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Originally by: Horza Otho [06:36:47] Horza Otho > its all good, everytime i fit a mega i play some mariah carey in the backround

Cambarus The Baros Syndicate Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.11.12 14:56:00 - [41] Well let's look at the nerfs and some buffs of the last year or so, and see how caldari compares to other races: Tier II BCs introduced, caldari and gallente both get a BC capable of fielding >BS sized tanks. Nice Buff IMO (though they later get nerfed a bit, they still field awesome tanks) Nos nerf. Affects everyone but mostly the gallente with their nos Domis. Drone bandwidth. Gallente get a huge nerf that hits 2 of their best ships (Eos and Myrmi) Required? Of course, but the nerf was over the top. The ishkur also took a beating with this one. Drone shield recharge nerf. Gallente get hit really hard with this one as recalling/relaunching drones is no longer very viable. First nano nerf. Nanophoons and nanodomis are no more. Gallente and minmatar get nerfed. I know at some point the calldari recons got boosted, though I don't remember exactly how If someone can point out the change to me that'd be appreciated. Resistance nerf. Armor lost some EM, shields lost some explosive, everyone gets nerfed. Torp Buff. All of a sudden the raven becomes a very viable option in pvp. A raven + a tackler is a dangerous combination when the raven can easily hit >1k DPS Sensor damps reduced massively in effectiveness (by about 50%) HUGE gallente recon nerf. Second nano nerf. Many matari (as well as some gallente + amarr) ships become far less useful in pvp. Those who were paying attention earlier may have noticed that drone boats got nerfed pretty hard a while back. But blaster ships are still viable in pvp! Oh wait... Web nerf. Blaster boats do not have the optimal to work without a good web. The web reduction results in a required tracking several times greater then before, and much more then blasters have. The missile nerf. The raven is no longer the powerhouse of mission running. I'm pretty sure that caldari have had it easy for quite some time now, it amazes me how quickly people complain the instant CCP changes their PVE boats. You'll get used to it, it's not like you're competing against other people in the mission... And as far as PvP goes, Torp raven is still awesome, all ECM ships are as well, and I will be soon flying a blasteRokh as it'll be one of the few blaster boats with the range to track targets.
RedMage Imperial Coalition Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Isabel Angel in the end it is always caldari that gets ass**d. with only speedchanges caldari would have actually been viable pvp race, so of course ccp had to do some nerfing to them that they remain race in pvp as always. tho now they are also taking it further by making them ** in killing npc too... um.. falcon? Maybe you should PVP and not test with your friends in your mission boat.
Hyveres Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:16:00 - [43] Yay we still got 2 viable PvPships which justifies that everything else is mediocre or useless! They even nerfed the flycatcher :)
Janu Hull Caldari Terra Incognita Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:25:00 - [44] Originally by: Cambarus I will be soon flying a blasteRokh as it'll be one of the few blaster boats with the range to track targets. They are pure sex in gate camps with lots of tackle, but they have limits. One of the better fits for countering speed fits was one with a full rack of 250mm IIs. MUCH more lethal against small to medium nanoships. In the event of an emergency, my ego may be used as a floatation device.
Gypsio III Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:45:00 - [45] Originally by: Blondieonsum Instead of just whines which make my skin crawl, can anyone offer any examples of how us guys with 10 mill plus in missiles can "benefit" from this patch? It can't be THAT bad, can it? Effects: Speed-tanking using MWD is extremely inefficient, making range advantage of long-range missile ships now meaningful and defendable Rage/Fury damage boosted Much harder to avoid missile damage of correct class Close-range missiles virtually unaffected Painters now far more useful Crash now useful GMP now useful MWDs are effectively 500% self-painters Results: HAM Drake: Boosted. No damage loss on webbed BC target even with Rage, Rage damage boosted, easier to keep out of AC and blaster optimal. Torp Raven: Slightly boosted. Still requires typical BS target to be painted and webbed, Rage damage boosted, easier to keep out of AC and blaster optimal, range advantage over other BS more meaningful Cerberus: Massively boosted. Range-tank now far stronger, no casual evasion of HM damage simply by hitting MWD, AML fit is deadly to all interceptors, HM fit does non-zero damage to interceptors and can deliver meaningful damage to any ship within 240 km.
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Free Ammatar Aid Organisation	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:49:00 - [46] Missiles seem easier to tank in missions.
VoiceInTheDesert Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2008.11.12 15:54:00 - [47] Edited by: VoiceInTheDesert on 12/11/2008 15:54:48 Lol at Missile whiners. At least you can fit a TP. Small/Med Blaster's can't even get in range any more. Fit a TP and get over yourselves. I've got lots of SP in blasters and you don't see me whining about how all my SPs are wasted. STFU and adapt. I fly blaster ships and it took me about 4 hours to figure out some new fits that work just fine. Sure, I'll miss my old fits and the results they produced, but diversity is good and that is what this patch forces on us. You can't have one-fit-does-all fits any more. Live with it.
VoiceInTheDesert Gallente Diplomatic Disruption	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:00:00 - [48] Originally by: Cambarus Well let's look at the nerfs and some buffs of the last year or so, and see how caldari compares to other races: Tier II BCs introduced, caldari and gallente both get a BC capable of fielding >BS sized tanks. Nice Buff IMO (though they later get nerfed a bit, they still field awesome tanks) Nos nerf. Affects everyone but mostly the gallente with their nos Domis. Drone bandwidth. Gallente get a huge nerf that hits 2 of their best ships (Eos and Myrmi) Required? Of course, but the nerf was over the top. The ishkur also took a beating with this one. Drone shield recharge nerf. Gallente get hit really hard with this one as recalling/relaunching drones is no longer very viable. First nano nerf. Nanophoons and nanodomis are no more. Gallente and minmatar get nerfed. I know at some point the calldari recons got boosted, though I don't remember exactly how If someone can point out the change to me that'd be appreciated. Resistance nerf. Armor lost some EM, shields lost some explosive, everyone gets nerfed. Torp Buff. All of a sudden the raven becomes a very viable option in pvp. A raven + a tackler is a dangerous combination when the raven can easily hit >1k DPS Sensor damps reduced massively in effectiveness (by about 50%) HUGE gallente recon nerf. Second nano nerf. Many matari (as well as some gallente + amarr) ships become far less useful in pvp. Those who were paying attention earlier may have noticed that drone boats got nerfed pretty hard a while back. But blaster ships are still viable in pvp! Oh wait... Web nerf. Blaster boats do not have the optimal to work without a good web. The web reduction results in a required tracking several times greater then before, and much more then blasters have. The missile nerf. The raven is no longer the powerhouse of mission running. I'm pretty sure that caldari have had it easy for quite some time now, it amazes me how quickly people complain the instant CCP changes their PVE boats. You'll get used to it, it's not like you're competing against other people in the mission... And as far as PvP goes, Torp raven is still awesome, all ECM ships are as well, and I will be soon flying a blasteRokh as it'll be one of the few blaster boats with the range to track targets. QFT
Soporo Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:37:00 - [49] Caldari are worse off than before, it's quite clear. Non Mwd speed is more important than ever, guess whos the slowest race. Cruise missiles are dead for pvp now. Lol missile sniper outside of painter range. Flight time plus utterly anemic damage even against an untackled Bs = no one will use it. Much better off with Beams or even Rails. Using Precision Cruise against cruisers outside of web range as was a common tactic? Lol good luck with that now. Buffer tanks were the norm for shield tanks. Now a buffer tanks sig penalty is much more undesirable. Not to mention missiliers have to use another mid now and fit a painter just to help mitigate the default speed tank a SAME sized ship gets. Turrets don't have this problem and they arent forced to lose a tank slot in order to do decent damage to the same sized ship with the proper sized weapon. The nerf went too far.
motomysz Militek Industries Integrity Respect Selflessness	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:40:00 - [50] Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse Originally by: motomysz PVE Angel Typhoon: 4x arbalest siege 3x salvager tractor mwd cap recharger target painter web large armor rep 1600mm plate 2x eanm explosive hardener nanofiber internal cap power relay For PVP just swap out the salvagers and tractors for neuts and remote reps, and the cap recharger for a cap booster. A raven with less than 2 ballistic control units is always a fail. Did I just get trolled?

NupetietVer Neuro Cartographic Services	Posted - 2008.11.12 16:41:00 - [51] The Sansha rats have now more time to either pray to the Heathen Amarr Gods or request an Officer Spawan reinforcement.
Rylet VanDorn Q3 HOLDING CORP	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:06:00 - [52] The solution to the problem is simple: QUIT. Don't try to sell your accounts or characters off to someone else to start a new character that won't be woefully gimped. Don't just keep training skills because you have faith that CCP will actually balance things. Just CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT. People need to start realizing there are games out there that are actually FUN TO PLAY. The dev teams behind them actually give a damn about the game being fun for their subscribers. The dev & GM teams for those games don't abuse GM powers in order to give themselves advantages, and they don't arbitrarily silence people blowing the whistle on these types of activities. Seriously... if anything, Eve will always be here. The European Fanbois alone will provide them enough revenue to keep the game going. In that effect, Eve Online is basically just a really popular private server with everyone "donating" monthly to support it. My brother has 5 accounts only because he likes to play the market instead of the actual game, so nerfs don't really affect him much. I suspect more than 50% of Eve's subscription count can be account for by people with 2nd accounts. Whatever the case... if you really don't like it, hit CCP where it hurts: Their subscriber base / Wallet. Just CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT. Let the fanbois drink the Kool-aid until they drown in it.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:14:00 - [53] Missiles insta-hit and have wrecking damage... ... oh wait
Verx Interis Amarr Aurora Security Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:15:00 - [54] Originally by: Doctor Mahbuse Originally by: motomysz PVE Angel Typhoon: 4x arbalest siege 3x salvager tractor mwd cap recharger target painter web large armor rep 1600mm plate 2x eanm explosive hardener nanofiber internal cap power relay For PVP just swap out the salvagers and tractors for neuts and remote reps, and the cap recharger for a cap booster. A raven with less than 2 ballistic control units is always a fail. Logical Inconsistency Detected. --------- Your bad loan management perfectly strikes the stock market, wrecking for -777.68 points. Eve job list
Lyvanna Kitaen Minmatar Noonday Sun Corp	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:19:00 - [55] 1) you can pick up a CNR real cheap. 2) you get to play with a shiny new module: welcome to target painters
Gorefacer Caldari Resurrection Skunk-Works	Posted - 2008.11.12 17:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Rylet VanDorn The solution to the problem is simple: QUIT. Don't try to sell your accounts or characters off to someone else to start a new character that won't be woefully gimped. Don't just keep training skills because you have faith that CCP will actually balance things. Just CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT. People need to start realizing there are games out there that are actually FUN TO PLAY. The dev teams behind them actually give a damn about the game being fun for their subscribers. The dev & GM teams for those games don't abuse GM powers in order to give themselves advantages, and they don't arbitrarily silence people blowing the whistle on these types of activities. Seriously... if anything, Eve will always be here. The European Fanbois alone will provide them enough revenue to keep the game going. In that effect, Eve Online is basically just a really popular private server with everyone "donating" monthly to support it. My brother has 5 accounts only because he likes to play the market instead of the actual game, so nerfs don't really affect him much. I suspect more than 50% of Eve's subscription count can be account for by people with 2nd accounts. Whatever the case... if you really don't like it, hit CCP where it hurts: Their subscriber base / Wallet. Just CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT. Let the fanbois drink the Kool-aid until they drown in it. Yeah stupid "fanbois" playing a game they enjoy and posting on it's message forum. Too bad they aren't as intelligent as you and spend their time lurking on boards of a game they apparently hate. That's time much better spent. It sounds like missiles in PVE are still viable but will require a sligthly altered fit and maybe increased drone skills (boohoo?). In PVP it sounds the changes overall helped many missile platforms while increased the need for tackle support for others - which was always a need that was there anyway. Sniper Ravens took a hit I suppose considering they won't be in TP or web range and now it's needed to compensate for the adjustments. Honestly large fleet Ravens were poor snipers anyway and usually used for anti support work. Even if worse off than before by a small margin - I don't see how this is causing such an emo-fest. This game is great, I find it fun to play and you get free koolaid. "You can't reason someone out of a belief they haven't reasoned themselves into" - Prometheus


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