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Stupid Question Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.05 22:33:00 - [1] - Quote Okay, now probably it will sound stupid, but let me ask... How risky would be to find uninhabited C3, build a POS there, and build Nyx in there. Or maybe a couple. Main idea is to dualbox C3 probably in full potencial - including mining roids and gas. In risky I mean is there a big chance to get killed by random people who would visit it? Futher more, is it possible to build a nyx in C3? I'm pretty sure NPC would be not a problem with that kind of ship, I'm more concerned in PvP side. Oh and one more thing - capital ships require fuel to perform jumps, right? Does that include normal wap-to-plex?
Stupid Question Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.05 22:59:00 - [2] - Quote I guess most dangerous would be to wait that 21 day while it would be build...
Anvil44 Independent Traders and Builders MPA 66	Posted - 2012.04.05 23:35:00 - [3] - Quote There is always the risk of being jumped in wh space. Nature of how it is there. You can build any capital you want in wh space to the best of my knowledge, we had a Thanatos in C2. Jump drive is to go from system to system not for travel within a system. Are you sure about NPC not being a problem with that kind of ship? Hope you are right. I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
Vimsy Vortis Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation 433	Posted - 2012.04.05 23:48:00 - [4] - Quote You can't build supercapitals of any kind in wormholes of any class. Also you have to be constantly vigilant when living in a wormhole regardless of its class because sometimes people will just show up and try to kill you.
Temerit Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking 0	Posted - 2012.04.06 00:59:00 - [5] - Quote Would you even be able to jump a Nyx out of a c3?
Substantia Nigra NFI industrial Enclave. 666	Posted - 2012.04.06 01:32:00 - [6] - Quote you can't build supercaps in w-space. you can't jump any capitals into, or out of, C3 systems ... via wormholes or using jump drives. You don't need capitals to quickly clear c3 sites and earn heaps of isk. capitals in C3s can help with system defence, and clearing large structures (such as COs), but also make your system an attractive gank target. I have owned and run quite a few c3s and have only occasionally been temted to build a carrier or dred ... and thankfully got over that temptation quickly enough. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 176	Posted - 2012.04.06 03:17:00 - [7] - Quote Here is the Wormhole Resident's Guide to Capital Ships and You: Or, How not to Screw Up! First and foremost, NO SUPERCAPS IN A WORMHOLE. Period. Capital Ship Assembly Arrays require Sov, and that's something will never happen in a hole. Secondly, caps can only jump freely in and out of a c5 and c6. Anything lower and that ship will have to be built inside the hole, which is pretty much a waste of isk. Third, people in wormhole space will try and murder you. Mostly because murder is fun. Don't fly safe! <3
Mai Juin EG CORP Talocan United 2	Posted - 2012.04.06 03:28:00 - [8] - Quote Bernie Nator wrote: Here is the Wormhole Resident's Guide to Capital Ships and You: Or, How not to Screw Up! First and foremost, NO SUPERCAPS IN A WORMHOLE. Period. Capital Ship Assembly Arrays require Sov, and that's something will never happen in a hole. Secondly, caps can only jump freely in and out of a c5 and c6. Anything lower and that ship will have to be built inside the hole, which is pretty much a waste of isk. Third, people in wormhole space will try and murder you. Mostly because murder is fun. Don't fly safe! <3 Yeah what he said :)
TriadSte 3rd Division 64	Posted - 2012.04.06 18:16:00 - [9] - Quote So indeed It's already been answered you simply can't do it and you cannot jump out of WH space. But even if it was possible the sheer amount of cap parts or minerals to build the cap parts would be something you would not want to do. The logistics are just crazy for super cap amounts needed. A normal carrier / dread is quite a pain in the butt. A Nyx needs 2475 capital parts and each one is 10,000 M3 and you can fit 3 in to a full tricked out Iteron 5. That adds upto 825 trips. 1650 WH jumps Maybe you gotta fly numerous jumps to get your parts... A logistical nightmare
Sola Mercury Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 11	Posted - 2012.04.06 23:10:00 - [10] - Quote Am I the only one looking at Op name, and thinking " This is a stupid troll"?
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.04.06 23:30:00 - [11] - Quote hijacking thread! assuming i hate other people and really really want to be alone. is it a good idea to find a c5 with a c3 static and just sit there with a cloaked orca while cleaning the statics each day?
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 180	Posted - 2012.04.07 00:00:00 - [12] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: hijacking thread! assuming i hate other people and really really want to be alone. is it a good idea to find a c5 with a c3 static and just sit there with a cloaked orca while cleaning the statics each day? Sure! If you want to die! <3 Seriously. Towers are your friend.
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.04.07 09:29:00 - [13] - Quote how much ISK and hauler space does it take to fuel a small tower? and how easy is it to tear one down?
TriadSte 3rd Division 64	Posted - 2012.04.07 09:36:00 - [14] - Quote Its not advisable. If you simply wanna farm statics, have your main in a T3 preferably a Tengu and a scanning alt in a covert op obviously. Farm the sites, jump to next hole rinse and repeat. When your full or need ammo have the covert op go get some, It wont hold loads but its enough.
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 180	Posted - 2012.04.07 19:16:00 - [15] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: how much ISK and hauler space does it take to fuel a small tower? and how easy is it to tear one down? Please never mention "small tower" and "wormhole" again, unless it's to say "Putting up a small tower in a wormhole is a terrible idea".
Mr Kidd Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 517	Posted - 2012.04.07 20:15:00 - [16] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: how much ISK and hauler space does it take to fuel a small tower? and how easy is it to tear one down? Small towers in w-space are mere trophies waiting to be claimed. We want breast augmentations and sluttier clothing in the NeX!
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 34	Posted - 2012.04.07 23:23:00 - [17] - Quote Mr Kidd wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: how much ISK and hauler space does it take to fuel a small tower? and how easy is it to tear one down? Small towers in w-space are mere trophies waiting to be claimed. so is it medium or large? which one has the prospect to hold against your average gang?
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 180	Posted - 2012.04.08 01:05:00 - [18] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: Mr Kidd wrote: Daniel Plain wrote: how much ISK and hauler space does it take to fuel a small tower? and how easy is it to tear one down? Small towers in w-space are mere trophies waiting to be claimed. so is it medium or large? which one has the prospect to hold against your average gang? Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos."
Marsan Production N Destruction INC. 18	Posted - 2012.04.08 18:49:00 - [19] - Quote Small, Med vs Large depends on what you are trying to protect. A small POS is fine if you understand that occasionally someone is going to reinforce the POS and possibly destroy it. In a C3 it's unlikely to last 6 months. In a C1 it will last longer, but with the tier 3 BC C1s are much less safe. (How safe is going to depend on your static. System with static HS are very unsafe.) This is fine if you are only using the small POS to store sleeper loot for a couple of days before transporting it to HS. Medium POS tend not to be worth it as they don't have the resources to field a good defense and do anything else. Most long term residents prefer the standard d*ckstar, lots of resists, or lots of ecm POS. If you aren't living in a system that allows dreads to easily transit a heavily defended POS is generally avoid. In general carriers aren't very good at soloing sleeper sites. Your fighters will have trouble hitting even the battleships without a lot of help. Plus sleepers eat drones for breakfast. Not to mention that you'll be massive target for even the most carebear of corps. (Even the average w-space miner wants a carrier killmail. ) It can work with a corp to back you up. Carriers tank sleeper spawns really well, and can rep BC, and HACs which are under tanked. With a good corp you can have people on all wormholes, and someone probing. A lot of C5-6 corps run their sites with Dreads, Carriers, and T3s, and a fair number of c1-4 corps have a carrier or 2 for running local sites and defense. PS- Get a hanger array, and don't leave Orcas and carriers floating in the force field. You might think the display of a carrier would scare people off, but it tends to just give them dreams of a carrier killmail. Orcas make people think u are mining carebears.
Altivs Obvisivs Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.04.09 01:00:00 - [20] - Quote Bernie Nator wrote: Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos." Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes?
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 178	Posted - 2012.04.09 01:09:00 - [21] - Quote Altivs Obvisivs wrote: Bernie Nator wrote: Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos." Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes? IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols. C2 and higher though I would only use a large.
VegasMirage Mnt N' Dew. 36	Posted - 2012.04.09 13:27:00 - [22] - Quote imo a c3 is the more dangerous of all classes if you're NOT looking for PvP. Many wormhole PvPers realize C3 residents must either fly shinny solo or dual box crappy BS's in order to realize the isk/hour reward [which sucks btw just run incursions] Many PvP corps/alliances love having higher class wh's with C3 statics for 2 reasons, the possibility of getting out to a low sec or hi sec exits and ofc the high probability people will be running sleepers solo or very small gang without logi. Also, you're idea of building dreads and caps will not deter PvPers, but in our case attract us to drop sleepers in your wh.
Waylan Yutani The Ghost Division 22	Posted - 2012.04.09 14:07:00 - [23] - Quote If you want to live solo in a class 3 wh, you need a medium tower, a hangar array and a ship maint array. Then you need a **** ton of hardeners and ecm modules on your tower to make it as sucky to kill ass possible and a few guns and a disruptor to deter anyone from setting up a solo sentry domi on your pos. You could go for a large tower, but large towers uses more fuel a month than a medium does. You will need two or three characters in your wh. One "keymaster" thats safed up in your wh with a probe launcher, and one character that does all the other stuff (anoms, hauls, mines) - if your main is bubbled up and killed in your hole, you still have a way to getting back there with your second alt there to probe you an entrance. To solo c3 anoms you need either a t3, CS or a bs. I used a legion and nh to clear the anoms in a reasonble quick time (roughly 114m/hr on a good day). and a stabbed noctis with inert stabs for a quick gtfo. Also nice to have is a bomber to kill off any intruder (log off in one outside scanning range of nearby planets). Get used to use your d-scanner.... alot, set it to 360 degree - max range. press it every three or four second or faster if your paranoid :-) D-scan must only show ships, probes and nothing else (no cans, no pos modules or nothing If someone finds a way to your hole, safe up and take a a two hour break, but know that any trespassers will prob be back later to take a look if you are active or not (if they are pvpers). I'd usually just log in a bomber and relog later. If someone want to evict you from your wh. First thing they'll do is kill of the guns and disruptor module, then bubble up your pos with large t2 bubbles to prevent you from warping in and out of your pos with valuable assets. If your tower gets rf'ed (reinforced) you will no longer have access to your hangar array(!) so if you have anything valuable, put it in your blockade runner (and you'll need one of those if you have a static lowsec!). Only have exactly what you need in your hole to minimize your losses if anyone want to take your shineys; ships, ammo, sleeper lewt etc. Wormholing is prob more safe than mining in hisec atm... believe it or not :-) Only time i got ganked in w-space was when i i asked for it and hang outside my pos trying to put ammo in my offlined guns like a boss
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 182	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:07:00 - [24] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Altivs Obvisivs wrote: Bernie Nator wrote: Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos." Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes? IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols. C2 and higher though I would only use a large. Even in a c1, you want large. Remember, a battleship can be built in 8 hours.
marie claude arcane machine shop 0	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:19:00 - [25] - Quote Temerit wrote: Would you even be able to jump a Nyx out of a c3? no
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 178	Posted - 2012.04.09 17:18:00 - [26] - Quote Bernie Nator wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Altivs Obvisivs wrote: Bernie Nator wrote: Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos." Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes? IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols. C2 and higher though I would only use a large. Even in a c1, you want large. Remember, a battleship can be built in 8 hours. Risk vs reward If someone wanted to take down my med tower in that way for my c1 I would just pack up and gtfo. C1's are a dime a dozen.
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 184	Posted - 2012.04.09 17:52:00 - [27] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Bernie Nator wrote: Derath Ellecon wrote: Altivs Obvisivs wrote: Bernie Nator wrote: Repeat after me. "I will not use any tower smaller than a Large Tower in a wormhole. Doing otherwise is detrimental to my pos." Isn't a Medium tower focused only on defenses and with a SMA a viable alternative to large towers in C1/C2 holes? IMO a medium tower is viable in a C1. They are generally not popular enough for someone to bash you out of the system. And no BS allowed means they are not likely to bother for the lols. C2 and higher though I would only use a large. Even in a c1, you want large. Remember, a battleship can be built in 8 hours. Risk vs reward If someone wanted to take down my med tower in that way for my c1 I would just pack up and gtfo. C1's are a dime a dozen. That's not even mentioning all the BC someone can get in. and the hole control. LArge pos is the way to go.
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 178	Posted - 2012.04.09 18:24:00 - [28] - Quote Bernie Nator wrote: That's not even mentioning all the BC someone can get in. and the hole control. LArge pos is the way to go. To each his own. Given the isk potential and risk factors, I still say a medium is fine. I just moved out of a C1 after 6 months with a med minnie and never had a lick of trouble. Have you ever bashed a tower in a C1? It's annoying as crap. So someone has to have a serious hardon for you, or extremely bored to bother. With the new online timers you can load up even a medium with a crapton of mods and online stuff as fast as they incap them. With 1-2 pos gunners you can put a serious hurt on a BC fleet. Especially if they are nice enough to bring some Tier 3 BC's. I don't care how good their logi is, some manned guns can alpha right through a Tier 3 BC's buffer. Either way, yes large is always the best for defense. But I have found a medium to be an acceptable solution for C1's Granted ANYTHING else (C2 or higher) I wouldn't bother with anything but a large.
Bernie Nator Talocan Hive Talocan United 184	Posted - 2012.04.09 19:49:00 - [29] - Quote Derath Ellecon wrote: Bernie Nator wrote: That's not even mentioning all the BC someone can get in. and the hole control. LArge pos is the way to go. To each his own. Given the isk potential and risk factors, I still say a medium is fine. I just moved out of a C1 after 6 months with a med minnie and never had a lick of trouble. Have you ever bashed a tower in a C1? It's annoying as crap. So someone has to have a serious hardon for you, or extremely bored to bother. With the new online timers you can load up even a medium with a crapton of mods and online stuff as fast as they incap them. With 1-2 pos gunners you can put a serious hurt on a BC fleet. Especially if they are nice enough to bring some Tier 3 BC's. I don't care how good their logi is, some manned guns can alpha right through a Tier 3 BC's buffer. Either way, yes large is always the best for defense. But I have found a medium to be an acceptable solution for C1's Granted ANYTHING else (C2 or higher) I wouldn't bother with anything but a large. When we did it, it wasn't too bad. Mostly because we set up quickly and quietly, built our battleships fast, and then ran straight at the towers. They were so surprised, they had a self destruction party and then were nice enough to hand over their caps so we could tear it down even faster. In return, we let them take one orcaload and whatever ship they were in out. On a side note, I can say I flew a dread in a c1. How fun!
Derath Ellecon Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal 178	Posted - 2012.04.09 22:44:00 - [30] - Quote Bernie Nator wrote: When we did it, it wasn't too bad. Mostly because we set up quickly and quietly, built our battleships fast, and then ran straight at the towers. They were so surprised, they had a self destruction party and then were nice enough to hand over their caps so we could tear it down even faster. In return, we let them take one orcaload and whatever ship they were in out. On a side note, I can say I flew a dread in a c1. How fun! If someone wants to go through that much trouble to bash a POS more power to them. I would have loved to see them squeeze that loaded orca out of the C1 as well.

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