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Snakeboy987
Dirty jobs Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:42:00 -
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o/ all, its just come to my attention that projectiles don't currently have a close range ammo with the most damage based on Kinetic. As currently we have Emp, Phased Plasma and Fusion doing mostly EM, Therm and Explosive but wheres our kinetic, at the moment we have Titanium Sabot as our most Kinetic ammo but thats a mid range ammo which if you do some EFTing on a target, that say for example guristas you do more damage with phased plasma which is a Thermic based ammo than the kinetic based ammo that is Titanium Sabot which to me is kinda dumb.
When pvping in a ship with projectiles as im sure pvp pilots will back me up, you carry the following Phased plasma, EMP, fusion and barrage and sometimes Hail which is again a explosive based ammo. Also all pvp pilots know that if you go up against minni ships they are normally most vulnerable against kinetic ammo due to there low base shields and kinetic resists and normally there explosive hole is filled, which is why drakes normally beat hurricanes, a new damage ammo could be useful
So what I was thinking is if ccp could think towards releasing a CLOSE range kinetic ammo, something on the lines off blunt force
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2012.04.05 22:45:00 -
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drunkpostingi n a boost minmatar thread, hooray |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:09:00 -
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Not sure if serious, if yes, then lol |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:11:00 -
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Hey.
No. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:23:00 -
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Snakeboy987 wrote:at the moment we have Titanium Sabot as our most Kinetic ammo but thats a mid range ammo which if you do some EFTing on a target, that say for example guristas you do more damage with phased plasma which is a Thermic based ammo than the kinetic based ammo that is Titanium Sabot which to me is kinda dumb.
Interesting fact... Guristas are weak against both Kinetic AND Thermal damage. Phased Plasma deals both. Titanium Sabot deals Explosive (primarily) and Kinetic (secondarily).
Snakeboy987 wrote:When pvping in a ship with projectiles as im sure pvp pilots will back me up, you carry the following Phased plasma, EMP, fusion and barrage and sometimes Hail which is again a explosive based ammo. Also all pvp pilots know that if you go up against minni ships they are normally most vulnerable against kinetic ammo due to there low base shields and kinetic resists and normally there explosive hole is filled, which is why drakes normally beat hurricanes, a new damage ammo could be useful
... wat? Calling "troll" on this one.
Change isn't bad... but it isn't always good. Somtimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Snakeboy987
Dirty jobs Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:26:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:[quote=Snakeboy987]at the moment we have Titanium Sabot as our most Kinetic ammo but thats a mid range ammo which if you do some EFTing on a target, that say for example guristas you do more damage with phased plasma which is a Thermic based ammo than the kinetic based ammo that is Titanium Sabot which to me is kinda dumb.
Interesting fact... Guristas are weak against both Kinetic AND Thermal damage. Phased Plasma deals both. Titanium Sabot deals Explosive (primarily) and Kinetic (secondarily).
True they are but weaker more too kinetic and please learn your ammo's before commenting prim damage of titanium is kinetic but with very little damage. |
Snakeboy987
Dirty jobs Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:27:00 -
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Quote:Interesting fact... Guristas are weak against both Kinetic AND Thermal damage. Phased Plasma deals both. Titanium Sabot deals Explosive (primarily) and Kinetic (secondarily).[
True they are but weaker more too kinetic and please learn your ammo's before commenting prim damage of titanium is kinetic but with very little damage.[/quote] |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc
Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:31:00 -
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Stop whining. The "limitations" on Minmatar damage selection are nothing compared to any other race. Drakes are stuck shooting kinetic, Gallente can only shoot thermal and kinetic, and poor Amarr are stuck with EM. Minmatar have the absolute best damage selection, which is one of the reasons I fly it so much. Look around at what other people's limitations are before you start complaining about how the most flexible race in the game can't shoot kinetic.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Snakeboy987
Dirty jobs Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:43:00 -
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im not whining at all... and caldari doesn't always = kinetic, there just best with it, as for lasers and blasters they both have there advantages that being can swap quickly between any range instantly and blasters have the most dps. Im just saying that projectiles have mid and long range kinetic based ammo but no short range ammo when it comes to kinetic. |
DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:54:00 -
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lol.
Nope. |
Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc
Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.04.05 23:56:00 -
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Snakeboy987 wrote:im not whining at all... and caldari doesn't always = kinetic, there just best with it
And you can actually shoot kinetic, just not with the same damage. Exact same thing. I would highly recommend thinking your arguments though before you post them, although I'm suspecting you don't actually know what you're talking about. By the way, if you're even considering making a comparison between projectiles and lasers/hybrids saying that projectiles are in any way inferior, you should just log off the forums right now and save yourself another embarrassment. The lack of close range kinetic ammo for projectiles doesn't in any way compare to the handicaps on the other races.
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
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Posted - 2012.04.06 00:02:00 -
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Youramountoflikes/10
Minmatar need kin/explo ONLY.
Then make all missiles therm/explo for good measure.
Tears |
Sinigr Shadowsong
Imperial Guardians
The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.04.06 07:36:00 -
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Winmatar and their weapons do not need any more boosts, they are already far ahead of others. Such changes would have any meaning only if other weapon systems would be brought in line with projectiles and their versatility.
Hannott Thanos wrote:
Minmatar need kin/explo ONLY.
Then make all missiles therm/explo for good measure.
Tears
Interesting idea, but it won't work in your implementation because 3/4 of weapon systems would become thermal-based and winmatar will be the only exception therefore making them even stronger. |
Sigras
Conglomo
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
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Posted - 2012.04.06 07:50:00 -
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wow . . . i think we may have found the only person who plays eve who also wants the minmatar to get a buff
is it not enough that your guns have long range, good tracking, dont use cap, are easy to fit, go on the fastest ships, AND do a ton of damage, but you want more options when applying damage?
Try this on for size; blasters use cap, have TERRIBLE range, are harder to fit, go on the slowest ships, and cant switch damage types at all . . . you fly those around until you're thankful for your minmatar guns. |
Arrigo Glokta
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Posted - 2012.04.06 08:01:00 -
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You guys seem to be taking it very easy on the OP.
When I read the thread title I thought: "Oh ****.... this is gonna be messy!" |
Daphny Naarma
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.06 19:52:00 -
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For OP: The very beauty of EVE is that you CAN'T have it all. Maybe there are other games that would suite you better? Games where everyone are more or less the same except for graphics and have access to the "best in slot" within a few days? |
ROXGenghis
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.06 20:49:00 -
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3/4
or, three out of four ain't bad. Damage types, that is. :) |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:41:00 -
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To be fair minmatar should be limited to a kin/exp combo only |
Adacia Calla
The Long Kiss Goodnight
Rise Against All
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Posted - 2012.04.06 22:16:00 -
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It's called Phased Plasma, get used to it.
Test signature....forum not applying settings :( |
Jayrendo Karr
Suns Of Korhal
Terran Commonwealth
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Posted - 2012.04.07 01:14:00 -
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Lets go ahead and buff the cane. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.07 01:18:00 -
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Not a single weapon system in the game has damage types that are as selectable as what Minmatar has, save for the Caldari missileboats that do not get a kinetic damage bonus.
Why do you think that projectiles deserve perfect damage type selection? |
Maxine Bellorum
Posthuman Society
Enclave.
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Posted - 2012.04.07 05:51:00 -
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Jayrendo Karr wrote:Lets go ahead and buff the cane.
The only post in this thread that I agree with tbh. |
Snakeboy987
Dirty jobs Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.07 10:08:00 -
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After reading all the comments, i guess it would be unfair with how many damage types minny can use, also for how projectiles are at the moment. Plus the thought of kinetic and explosive only damage types would be an interesting thought considering amarr and gally. Looks like im gunna continue using phased plamsa then :) |
kyrv
hirr
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.04.07 10:59:00 -
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This the left over mind job of 2003 whereby there was nothing to explain.. no EFT and most certainly all knowledge was word of mouth..
Should be cleaned up imho. |
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
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Posted - 2012.04.07 11:36:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Not a single weapon system in the game has damage types that are as selectable as what Minmatar has, save for the Caldari missileboats that do not get a kinetic damage bonus.
Smart bombs, bombs, drones. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:11:00 -
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Kahega Amielden wrote:Not a single weapon system in the game has damage types that are as selectable as what Minmatar has, save for the Caldari missileboats that do not get a kinetic damage bonus.
Sacrilege too. |
Buzzy Warstl
The Strontium Asylum
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:20:00 -
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Besides, with Titanium Sabot against Guristas you can get much better damage application due to the tracking bonus.
EFT doesn't tell the whole story and never has. |
Kyr Evotorin
Psycho Tech Industries
Interstellar Hobos
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Posted - 2012.04.07 19:22:00 -
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tldr; The minmatar race makes people mad. Best trolls. |
Mfume Apocal
Origin.
Black Legion.
393
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:12:00 -
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Buzzy Warstl wrote:Besides, with Titanium Sabot against Guristas you can get much better damage application due to the tracking bonus.
EFT doesn't tell the whole story and never has.
This is actually untrue, what is lost in tracking can be more than made up with the raw damage increase and smart piloting/target selection.
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Vaurion Infara
Beyond Divinity Inc
Excuses.
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:26:00 -
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This stupid thread is still going? Can't we just call OP an idiot and let the thread die?
MickeyFinn > Fyi Vaurion Infara is a bad apple in a bunch of good ones. Dont let his big mouth and moods bring you down! If anyone lives near him RL get him LAID! would help him a ton. Fly safe and gods speed. |
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