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soldieroffortune 258 Gallente Trinity Council	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:11:00 - [31] Originally by: Aaron Mirrorsaver ** eve and ccp, there are other space mmos coming out and when they do, eve subscription will drop tremendously, no matter if they make it so that 2 yr olds could play. i for one welcome the new Space MMO overlords that will get rid of all the 12 year olds in this game that think cussing is cool theres a reason the average age of an EVE player is what, 25, 27? this will just assist us and less lag for me \0/ Originally by:** soldieroffortune 258 "*Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer*"
BigDaddy LuvNutts	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:20:00 - [32] Edited by: BigDaddy LuvNutts on 13/11/2008 17:22:00 Originally by: Kyle Frost Originally by: Madmartigane I am the greatest swordsman that ever lived. I concur. I concur.
Sadfacegoboom	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:26:00 - [33] Originally by: Ruri Dant And to all the idiots who post can i "Have your stuff: i say yes you can, send me some isk and i'll give back.10x worth. This is win.
Faife Noctiscion	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:30:00 - [34] how the hell is rapier now useless? lrn2gang -- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Aestetica Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.13 18:00:00 - [35] I agree with the OP basically. Why put in all that training and invest all that money just to have it made useless? Perhaps the following tactic should be used: Train every race equally, one small step at a time. That way u will always be able to fly a race/ship that is useful (after the initial 2-3 years of training). No im not even thinking of quitting and yes i will adapt, but that doesnt mean its right.
Shoukei Caldari Boobs Ahoy	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Aestetica I agree with the OP basically. Why put in all that training and invest all that money just to have it made useless? Perhaps the following tactic should be used: Train every race equally, one small step at a time. That way u will always be able to fly a race/ship that is useful (after the initial 2-3 years of training). No im not even thinking of quitting and yes i will adapt, but that doesnt mean its right. Unless you had snakes and poly's, not much has changed. In case you had them, and didn't manage to lose them in all these months since changes were announced, you obviously don't pew pew much, or at least whatever you do is as boring as grinding the missions.
Konrad Kurr	Posted - 2008.11.14 11:49:00 - [37] k. curse is not **. its no longer a solo wtfpwnmobile and im sorry but it is not ** mkay? just needs skill to fly now and you actually to choose your targets too :O (o noes!). 2nd. falcon was uber before QR and yea i will agree with you on it. no idea bout the rest so i will not comment on it. but anyway, if you cant adapt and live without nanos, tough cookies!
Shazard	Posted - 2008.11.14 13:57:00 - [38] Why nobody is thinking about future patches? May be they will make awesome combinations for old and new players with old (now useless skills) with new (whcih everybody now have to train)! Today you loose, tomorrow they loose, after tomorrow well... new race will come and kick everybodies arss!
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.14 13:58:00 - [39] Originally by: Aestetica Why put in all that training Eve is kind of predictable; all major paths (races) tend to have their up and down times. Thus for long term training plans, two schools: 1) (Pre)train for FavoutOfTheMonth; you'll always do fine, and will get to try new things now and then 2) Specialize in smaller set, to master the area even when the environment changes. More boring, perhaps greater rewards, but only if you accept you won't always equal to others. Throwing all your focus on really small subset (say single tactic of one ship) in hopes of being uber is guaranteed failure in the long run. -Lasse Anitya Brotherhood
Vietone Gallente Mercury Industries	Posted - 2008.11.14 21:56:00 - [40] LoL at the OP. I keep playing eve because of the gameplay changes and that why thousands of other players do as well. Look at the games that have failed. Earth and Beyond. That game was such a bore because everything stayed the same for such a long time and eventually, people got bored and left. Adapt and move on like real players.

Ruri Dant Onorata Societa	Posted - 2008.11.14 23:44:00 - [41] My main angriness is due to the fact that the PVP will go towards bigger ships and more numbers. I'm allright with the "adapt or die" that's what i did already, not so happy to have to do it again. As in for my statement for "shield tanking is now a pathetic joke" its not what i meant, i should have said "Drakes tank too much and it really is nonsence that a BS with t2 rage torps cant bring down a t2 fitted and t1 rigged drake, you gotta be joking"
Iwant Urstuff Amarr Iwant Urstuff Corp	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:45:00 - [42] But, I really really want URSTUFF plz give it to me!!! I agree with all ur points and will so post in all the CSM blogs linking them back to ur post here. Plz gimme urstuff or give it to Gimme Urstuff!!!! Iwant Urstuff I do want URSTUFF plz hand it all over!!!
MichaelTee	Posted - 2008.11.15 00:55:00 - [43] My first post ever. I just couldn't resist. To the OP poster.... ** off and go elswhere you whiney ***! PS: Thanks for the tears, you made my day.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.15 01:11:00 - [44] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/11/2008 01:13:34 I don't mind when race X gets a bit of a boost and race Y gets a bit of a nerf, etcetera. However, deciding to nerf solo altogether is a bit annoying. It's not something you can compensate for by training for race X/ship Y. It's something you compensate for by giving up on a playstyle altogether. Or fly frigate hulls, and frigate hulls only. They solo reasonably OK post patch. Aside for disruptor range -> scrambler range obviously. Does it suck? Yeah. Do I want to say '**** you' to CCP for their new gameplay? You bet I do. The decision to dilute the capabilities of ships while solo or in a very small gang is not a 'ship&module rebalance' - which are generally just fine - it's a major nerf to a (very fun) playstyle. I do not have a lot of fun doing the 'primary is X, secondary is Y' - lock - F1 routine. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ruri Dant Onorata Societa	Posted - 2008.11.15 02:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Cpt Branko Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/11/2008 01:13:34 I don't mind when race X gets a bit of a boost and race Y gets a bit of a nerf, etcetera. However, deciding to nerf solo altogether is a bit annoying. It's not something you can compensate for by training for race X/ship Y. It's something you compensate for by giving up on a playstyle altogether. Or fly frigate hulls, and frigate hulls only. They solo reasonably OK post patch. Aside for disruptor range -> scrambler range obviously. Does it suck? Yeah. Do I want to say '**** you' to CCP for their new gameplay? You bet I do. The decision to dilute the capabilities of ships while solo or in a very small gang is not a 'ship&module rebalance' - which are generally just fine - it's a major nerf to a (very fun) playstyle. I do not have a lot of fun doing the 'primary is X, secondary is Y' - lock - F1 routine. Yep mate, fly frigates (now ishkur RULEZ) or forget about solo PVP, and personally i hated frigates until this patch (and i probably will continue to) but i might aswell try and get one since i dont know how but i have Assault Ships at V. I understand that the whole speed needed a rebalance, but in the process they mauled solo pvp. My concern really is that i cant just go solo as easy anymore, specially with targets reapproching every gate :-/, ok i liked the Curse as it was, but tbch i couldnt give a toss about flying this or that ship (i am annoyed that i trained A LOT OF TIME for a specific set of skills that is no longer viable atm).
Pithecanthropus	Posted - 2008.11.15 03:55:00 - [46] The pot settled and a bland dull, unfair pvp was on top. CCP is simply stirring the pot so as not to create a boring nano uber speed warfare that pvp once was. Stop whining and see where it all settles. You played this long, pay a few more months and you'll see people across the board ALL have to change. --------------------------------- Pithecanthropus erectus, a name derived from Greek and Latin roots meaning upright ape-man.
Karl Luckner	Posted - 2008.11.15 04:14:00 - [47] Older players without an advantage ? Sure, try to paticipate in 0.0's capfleets with your new toon.
Padan Fain	Posted - 2008.11.15 06:47:00 - [48] people are stupid
Constantinee Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams	Posted - 2008.11.15 08:57:00 - [49] im going to send you 1 bil...if i don't receive 10 back then we will have a problem -------------------- My Videos.
Baron Daxus Caldari Serenity Engineering and Transport Company Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2008.11.15 13:56:00 - [50] YOU IDIOT. Quantum Rise is the Best thing that has happened to EVE since Premium Graphics. My Harpy can now do a better job soloing a battleship as it can go 2.5KMS orbiting it. just ADAPT and GET OVER IT. BTW can I have yer stuff?

RedSplat Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.15 14:13:00 - [51] Originally by: Ruri Dant I am disgusted, Months if not years of training for specific setups and fleet and here comes along Quantum Rise. First mistake highlighted. Second mistake: Being you. Seriously. Its just a game, things change. If you don't want to change with them bugger off and stop crudding up the forums.
Ragenar	Posted - 2008.11.15 14:39:00 - [52] One more patch and still no amarr navy raven.... time to dispair LOLzs
Kuzya Morozov Gallente L8L8L8	Posted - 2008.11.15 17:49:00 - [53] T______________T
narccissa	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:21:00 - [54] Originally by: Baron Daxus YOU IDIOT. Quantum Rise is the Best thing that has happened to EVE since Premium Graphics. My Harpy can now do a better job soloing a battleship as it can go 2.5KMS orbiting it. just ADAPT and GET OVER IT. BTW can I have yer stuff? And that's what's wrong. A harpy SHOULD NOT solo a BS.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:28:00 - [55] Originally by: Baron Daxus YOU IDIOT. Quantum Rise is the Best thing that has happened to EVE since Premium Graphics. My Harpy can now do a better job soloing a battleship as it can go 2.5KMS orbiting it. just ADAPT and GET OVER IT. BTW can I have yer stuff? When Rifters solo battleships, things are balanced. When battleships can solo a Rifter, things are not balanced. WTF? The problem is this: the Rifter has defacto ALL the advantages if it can kill cruisers / BCs / BS. It is 100% safe to roam in bar smartbombs when in low-sec, and incredibly safer then BS in 0.0, and it'll even survive a smartbombing BS. It's got the locktime and speed to tackle targets incredibly better then cruiser/HAC/BC/BS. It takes far less time to perfect the skills for it. It is amazingly cheaper. Now, if you make it able to solo bigger stuff easily - with all these advantages - then it becomes horribly broken and upside-down.
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.15 18:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Pithecanthropus The pot settled and a bland dull, unfair pvp was on top. CCP is simply stirring the pot so as not to create a boring nano uber speed warfare that pvp once was. Stop whining and see where it all settles. You played this long, pay a few more months and you'll see people across the board ALL have to change. I don't know. I had fun and interesting PVP in non-nano ships solo in low-sec all the time. Tons of it. Post patch, I won't. I'll **** around in frigate hulls until I get bored. It bites.
gamecheif11 Gallente Flashpoint. R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.11.15 22:10:00 - [57] i heard that lol to last poster
Gaelenus Gallente Society of the Crimson Flame	Posted - 2008.11.15 22:11:00 - [58] Originally by: Cpt Branko When Rifters solo battleships, things are balanced. When battleships can solo a Rifter, things are not balanced. WTF? The problem is this: the Rifter has defacto ALL the advantages if it can kill cruisers / BCs / BS. It is 100% safe to roam in bar smartbombs when in low-sec, and incredibly safer then BS in 0.0, and it'll even survive a smartbombing BS. It's got the locktime and speed to tackle targets incredibly better then cruiser/HAC/BC/BS. It takes far less time to perfect the skills for it. It is amazingly cheaper. Now, if you make it able to solo bigger stuff easily - with all these advantages - then it becomes horribly broken and upside-down. This x100 I've never understood why some people have so much trouble accepting that a bigger ship can destroy a smallwer one with relative ease, thats not to say that with tactics several smaller ships or a combination of smaller ships can take a bigger one out but in general i think bigger / more advanced = better. As Cpt Branko said the big advantage of smaller ships is they can get away easily, to me that kind of system is balanced.
jbob2000 Gallente Degenerate...	Posted - 2008.11.15 22:29:00 - [59] Why's the arazu uber? cause of warp scramblers? RSD's are useless, so i can't see really what its about...
Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.11.15 23:25:00 - [60] lol well done op 10/10 for troll. Quote: ** the nano nerf. noobs, ** your expansionist commercial tactics. I'm going somewhere else. /emote waves goodbye



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