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Ruri Dant
Onorata Societa
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Posted - 2008.11.13 00:14:00 -
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I am disgusted,
Months if not years of training for specific setups and fleet and here comes along Quantum Rise.
Curse, the ship i used to fly i can self distruct for what it's worth now, not to talk about the Pilgrim which was and is a piece of flying junk. Arazu now is uber. Falcon now is uber Rapier now is pointless
Drakes now unbeatable by a Raven
Shield tanking is a pathetic joke Signature tanking Jaguars now are Uber
and so on.
This patch has penalyzed heavily older players, giving every damn idiot who has played the game for 2 months the chance to sit in rifters and kill recon ships (except when an Arazu is around)
Solo pvp goes down the drain if your not flying some t1 worthless junk, small group PVP is going to be unthinkable because this kind of gameplay pushes for megacorporations of NOOBS wih t1 BS and t1 support.
Why have you (CCP) changed a game that was going more or less fine? so much for the sandbox eh?
It looks like you have conducted a market analysis and you need a way of encouraging more players to start playing and be effective against all other players within a few munths (wich translated means that you want more money and dont care if i spent mine already for something that doesnt exist anymore)
Thank you, i spent months if not years to skill for my ships as they are and now they are worth ****, no incentive is left also to a CEO of a corporation of 20 players or so (translated in 4/5 active) to do PVP and enjoy it without hours in wait for an unfair gank. I should ask for my money back or a redistribution of my skillpoints.
I think i might quit the game, why should i put my effort and money towards achieving some goals if you change them radically like this?
And to all the idiots who post can i "Have your stuff: i say yes you can, send me some isk and i'll give back.10x worth.
Dont have a nice day CCP, you dont deserve it.
...more angry whines i cant be bothered but you get my point. I'd like to be more rude but if i was others might not hear my rants.
**** the nano nerf. **** noobs, **** your expansionist commercial tactics. I'm going somewhere else.
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Nexus Kinnon
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.11.13 00:18:00 -
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didn't read but seriously stop sucking
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.13 00:24:00 -
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In fewer words, I am sad that I must agree with this sentiment. As a disclaimer, I've already adapted new warfare tactics, so I'm not ragequiting, but it's all too true that this entire patch is a bastardization of all PvP tactics formerly in place.
It's just silly, in my opinion.
In before the lock [center]
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Radcjk
Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 00:49:00 -
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HAHAHA, I bette during the nano days you were one of those "Adapt or Die" ****s.
So now, good sir, I say the same. Adapt or Die.
Take a few weeks while a long skill trains, a deep breath, and come back and take a second look. If its still doesn't seem reasonable for you to play, so long, fare well, and.....well, no one cares.
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ZharV
Amarr Armada.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 00:54:00 -
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Before you go, can I introduce your stuff to my hanger?
Yaar? |

The Vixen
Coalition of Nations
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Posted - 2008.11.13 01:00:00 -
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Holy wall of text batman! You should have named yourself Duri Rant instead.  EvE won't miss you. Promise.
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ZharV
Amarr Armada.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: The Vixen Holy wall of text batman! You should have named yourself Duri Rant instead.  EvE won't miss you. Promise.
20 lines or so is a wall of text? Your head must explode when you see a newspaper.
Yaar? |

Siebenthal
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Posted - 2008.11.13 02:35:00 -
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It's the natural progression of any game. Or for that matter almost any for-profit company.
Game designers = company that wants to make sales & grow profit. In order to grow profit they have to attract new players. They dumb down the game and widen the base they can draw on. They may lose a few older players due to their decision to make their time in game worth less than it used to be. However, they more than make up for that with all the new players who are attracted due to the new, easier gameplay.
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BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.13 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ruri Dant
Curse AND pilgrim now is uber Arazu now is uber. Falcon now is uber Rapier now is even more uber than before
Fixed. Shut it with the emo rage, you only look silly. EVE history
Missiles post-nerf |

Madmartigane
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Posted - 2008.11.13 03:35:00 -
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I am the greatest swordsman that ever lived.
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Lester Mako
Gallente Mako Logistico
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Posted - 2008.11.13 03:40:00 -
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I welcome our new Democratic Overlords.
Miner, Seller of Minerals, Father |

Kaltar Bok
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Posted - 2008.11.13 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Kaltar Bok on 13/11/2008 04:34:09 Well I for one was getting sick of seeing `it`s a nano-gang` in fleet channel and having to just plain give up. Seriously, this needed balancing. The only thing that could counter speed was speed. That`s not rock/paper/scissors, which is behind the whole sandbox idea. CCP should be criticised for allowing the speed thing to develop like it did, not putting it right.
Before it was less `Adapt or Die` and more `go very fast or die`. Suck it up.
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Aysia
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Posted - 2008.11.13 04:46:00 -
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Curse and pilgrim are overpowered now, boy am I glad I just trained them for my alt.
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Removal Tool
Reptilian Reality
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Posted - 2008.11.13 04:49:00 -
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Dolphins: [singing] So long, and thanks for all the fish / So sad that it should come to this / We tried to warn you all, but, oh, dear / You may not share out intellect / Which might explain your disrespect / For all the natural wonders that grow around you / So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish! The world's about to be destroyed / There's no point getting all annoyed / Lie back and let the planet dissolve around you / Despite those nets of tuna fleets / We thought that most of you were sweet / Especially tiny tots and your pregnant women / So long, so long, so long, so long, so long! So long, so long, so long, so long, so long! So long, so long, and thanks for all the fish!/ If I had just one last wish / I would like a tasty fish!/If we could just change one thing / We would all have learnt to sing!/Come one and all / Man and mammal / Side by side / In life's great gene pool!/ So long, so long, so long, so long, so long / So long, so long, so long, so long / So long, so long and thanks for all the fish!
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dagley
Basement Innovations Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.13 06:56:00 -
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What is wrong with my curse?
GARMON IS DA BEST ______
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Ancy Denaries
Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens
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Posted - 2008.11.13 07:39:00 -
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I don't know if I'm supposed to lol or to cry. Seriously man...in the words of the nano***s: Adapt or Die.
Rapier worthless? What are you smoking? Target painters are the new awesome! That coupled with long range webs? Enough to make life miserable for any sub-battleship vessel.
Again...adapt or die, seriously. I don't really want to be rude, but man, you need to get out of your box and smell the awesome that is Quantum Rise.
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |

Crellion
Art of War Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 10:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kaltar Bok Edited by: Kaltar Bok on 13/11/2008 04:34:09 Well I for one was getting sick of seeing `it`s a nano-gang` in fleet channel and having to just plain give up. Seriously, this needed balancing. The only thing that could counter speed was speed. That`s not rock/paper/scissors, which is behind the whole sandbox idea. CCP should be criticised for allowing the speed thing to develop like it did, not putting it right.
Before it was less `Adapt or Die` and more `go very fast or die`. Suck it up.
Early days oc but my nano Vaga still seems to work fine... just need to watch for Rapiers & Arazus now...Against everything else there is even a buff in that they are even slower so easyier orbits, easyier to keep point on and less mwd needed so better DPS, or? Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim. |

Kyle Frost
Caldari Infusion. G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.13 10:32:00 -
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Originally by: Madmartigane I am the greatest swordsman that ever lived.
I concur.
@ the OP - Bye, bye o/ Let the door slap you on your way out  --------------
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Fookame
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Posted - 2008.11.13 10:51:00 -
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RAWR EMORAGE!!!! ISDGIPSDGIPSDH"PIO^ú$P"ú%O"ú"
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Rage of Inferno
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:09:00 -
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Speak for yourself when talking about older players. The patch enables many more and new tactics and setups then before giving players flying smart the edge. -
Boosters and PirateProfessions
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Tnam
Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:17:00 -
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As a fairly old player and a devoted nano-***, all I can say is that the OP does not PvP or just fails at it. I say this because I 100% disagree with every single point which is rare for me.
taking them in turns: - rapier is still awesome - falcon was already uber - arazu is not uber, it is just slightly better. - shield tanking is not a joke at all. - sig tanking jaguars are just huginn food (but why should they not be fun, they always were a fun ship to fly).
Solo Pvp is fine, small group pvp is enhanced, way more ships are viable than before when it was really just rapier/vaga/ishtar/falcon, relative speeds of any cruiser vs any non-cruiser make it so, similarly with frigates.
You seriously should think again, I sense that really you are just a disgruntled mission runner, not a pvper as you say.
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Plave Okice
Universal Securities
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ruri Dant not to talk about the Pilgrim which was and is a piece of flying junk.
I got this far before realising you have no idea what you're talking about, then didn't bother to read any further.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:31:00 -
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As someone who flew only Amarrian ships all the time that they were universally considered to be the worst, all I can say is that you'll get more satisfaction from learning new and innovative ways to use your ships to kill your enemies than you will from either *****ing or switching to the latest flavour of the month.
Oh, and if the OP is so angry about his Curse that he's serious about self-destructing it, I'll happily take it off his hands for 10M ISK if he's willing to deliver it to anywhere in Amarrian space.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Mr Majeeka
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Posted - 2008.11.13 11:49:00 -
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Just evolve or go play Sims ffs.
People look at the evolution of any game from one perspective. Making the game open to more people, on an even playing field surely that sis a good thing all round.
Heaven forbid you actually have to "THINK" about how to fit your ship. And christ, thinking up new tactics.... omg I cant do it....
Go save a tree or something.
Can I have your stuff?
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Aaron Mirrorsaver
R.E.C.O.N. The Firm.
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Posted - 2008.11.13 14:06:00 -
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**** eve and ccp,
there are other space mmos coming out and when they do, eve subscription will drop tremendously, no matter if they make it so that 2 yr olds could play. ------
RECON is recruiting |

Shadow's Caress
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Posted - 2008.11.13 15:44:00 -
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I hope more people think like you do. That means less will adapt and I will pwn that much more in PvP.
QQ more nub.
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Jin'te An
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.13 16:10:00 -
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Quote: Drakes now unbeatable by a Raven
Shield tanking is a pathetic joke
If shield tanking is a pathetic joke, then how does the biggest shield tank in the game suddenly suck? ...or did I misread that?
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GateScout
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Posted - 2008.11.13 17:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ruri Dant **** your expansionist commercial tactics.
You do realize EvE is a business and not your personal game, right? 
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Harrent
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.13 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Harrent on 13/11/2008 17:07:00
Dont agree with anything OP said, just posting for fun :/... In before lock :P
I think that people that whine about a constantly changing game should quit, just personal opinion.
Go play Fable or some other game that you can play countless times over and over again and see the SAME situations again and again. Apply the same strategy again and again... *snore*
.... Sorry i fell asleep.
Improvise, adapt, and overcome!
EDIT:
Oh yea, and if anyone types in all caps they should get slapped >.> =----------=
Semper Fi |

soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.11.13 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ruri Dant I am disgusted,
Months if not years of training for specific setups and fleet and here comes along Quantum Rise.
Curse, the ship i used to fly i can self distruct for what it's worth now, not to talk about the Pilgrim which was and is a piece of flying junk. Arazu now is uber. Falcon now is uber Rapier now is pointless
Drakes now unbeatable by a Raven
Shield tanking is a pathetic joke Signature tanking Jaguars now are Uber
and so on.
This patch has penalyzed heavily older players, giving every damn idiot who has played the game for 2 months the chance to sit in rifters and kill recon ships (except when an Arazu is around)
Solo pvp goes down the drain if your not flying some t1 worthless junk, small group PVP is going to be unthinkable because this kind of gameplay pushes for megacorporations of NOOBS wih t1 BS and t1 support.
Why have you (CCP) changed a game that was going more or less fine? so much for the sandbox eh?
It looks like you have conducted a market analysis and you need a way of encouraging more players to start playing and be effective against all other players within a few munths (wich translated means that you want more money and dont care if i spent mine already for something that doesnt exist anymore)
Thank you, i spent months if not years to skill for my ships as they are and now they are worth ****, no incentive is left also to a CEO of a corporation of 20 players or so (translated in 4/5 active) to do PVP and enjoy it without hours in wait for an unfair gank. I should ask for my money back or a redistribution of my skillpoints.
I think i might quit the game, why should i put my effort and money towards achieving some goals if you change them radically like this?
And to all the idiots who post can i "Have your stuff: i say yes you can, send me some isk and i'll give back.10x worth.
Dont have a nice day CCP, you dont deserve it.
...more angry whines i cant be bothered but you get my point. I'd like to be more rude but if i was others might not hear my rants.
**** the nano nerf. **** noobs, **** your expansionist commercial tactics. I'm going somewhere else.
just give me your stuff before you leave
oh, and also, curses deserved to go down the drain, ive had some bad experiences with curses, and whenever i pvp, most of the time i dont pod, but when i do, i always try my damndest to pod the curse pilot
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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