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DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:20:00 - [1] Right sorry if this post has been done cant check all the time, I have refining lvl5, refining effiency lvl4, and have all ore processing skills on lvl2 some on 3 there has been no differance between have the processing and not having them so wots the point of them being in game i have wasted alot of time and skill points training them up and i'am now very annoyed if u dont know its a problem then i ask please fix it as i do all the refining for my corp as i have the best refining skills but it seems a n00b can do just as good with refining lvl5 and refining effiency lvl4 i am very dissapointed in not having known about this bug please ccp fix it......thank you
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:20:00 - [2] Right sorry if this post has been done cant check all the time, I have refining lvl5, refining effiency lvl4, and have all ore processing skills on lvl2 some on 3 there has been no differance between have the processing and not having them so wots the point of them being in game i have wasted alot of time and skill points training them up and i'am now very annoyed if u dont know its a problem then i ask please fix it as i do all the refining for my corp as i have the best refining skills but it seems a n00b can do just as good with refining lvl5 and refining effiency lvl4 i am very dissapointed in not having known about this bug please ccp fix it......thank you
Svodairs	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:26:00 - [3] If you did some research instead of writing that run-on sentence you would know that those skill are not a waste. It doesn't need to be fixed, you just need to get into deeper space.
Svodairs	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:26:00 - [4] If you did some research instead of writing that run-on sentence you would know that those skill are not a waste. It doesn't need to be fixed, you just need to get into deeper space.
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:32:00 - [5] @ Svodairs MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
MOOstradamus	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:32:00 - [6] @ Svodairs MOOrovingian "Following & supporting EVE (since Jan 2001) is like wiping your arse with sandpaper."
W1rlW1nd	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:32:00 - [7] there's a bug? i got most of the ore processing skills trained up to lev3 and i checked the processing amount after each level out of curiosity- and there was noticable improvement for each level skilled up. unless something just changed recently, i haven't noticed a bug with those skills.
W1rlW1nd	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:32:00 - [8] there's a bug? i got most of the ore processing skills trained up to lev3 and i checked the processing amount after each level out of curiosity- and there was noticable improvement for each level skilled up. unless something just changed recently, i haven't noticed a bug with those skills.
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:38:00 - [9] i tested this when i did veld processing from lvl2 to lvl3 and i am still only getting 950 trit so explain to me where the extra 5% is ???
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:38:00 - [10] i tested this when i did veld processing from lvl2 to lvl3 and i am still only getting 950 trit so explain to me where the extra 5% is ???
Jockey	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:40:00 - [11] We did a test the other day, I have refining 3 and there was not much of a difference from what I get to what Digi gets. Odd, very very odd imo -------------------------------------------------- There's plenty of room for all of Gods creatures... Right next to the mashed potatoes
Jockey	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:40:00 - [12] We did a test the other day, I have refining 3 and there was not much of a difference from what I get to what Digi gets. Odd, very very odd imo -------------------------------------------------- There's plenty of room for all of Gods creatures... Right next to the mashed potatoes
Baleur	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:55:00 - [13] Edited by: Baleur on 07/07/2004 00:56:40 Mmmmmk i'm a fighter, and even I know that you cant have a batch of 333 veldspar and refine that and base your skills upon that, get a 10k batch, refine without the skills, then refine with the skills, THEN you'll see the 5% increase, 5% aint alot in the small term, but in large term corpminings, its essential. God i gotta change my sig..
Baleur	Posted - 2004.07.07 00:55:00 - [14] Edited by: Baleur on 07/07/2004 00:56:40 Mmmmmk i'm a fighter, and even I know that you cant have a batch of 333 veldspar and refine that and base your skills upon that, get a 10k batch, refine without the skills, then refine with the skills, THEN you'll see the 5% increase, 5% aint alot in the small term, but in large term corpminings, its essential. God i gotta change my sig..
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 01:06:00 - [15] Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 01:08:42 Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 01:08:15 Originally by: DigitalAlmo007 i tested this when i did veld processing from lvl2 to lvl3 and i am still only getting 950 trit so explain to me where the extra 5% is ??? That's why you use refining quote, and not just right-click-refine. With Refinery Efficiency at L3, and any Ore processing skill at L2, I get 100% refnining (well, 99.999% to be correct (For every 2 million of tritanium, I have 1 piece lost as a wate.. which is not much)). Obviously, if you have 100% refining, then training from L2 to L3 will not grant you 5%. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
Origim	Posted - 2004.07.07 01:06:00 - [16] Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 01:08:42 Edited by: Origim on 07/07/2004 01:08:15 Originally by: DigitalAlmo007 i tested this when i did veld processing from lvl2 to lvl3 and i am still only getting 950 trit so explain to me where the extra 5% is ??? That's why you use refining quote, and not just right-click-refine. With Refinery Efficiency at L3, and any Ore processing skill at L2, I get 100% refnining (well, 99.999% to be correct (For every 2 million of tritanium, I have 1 piece lost as a wate.. which is not much)). Obviously, if you have 100% refining, then training from L2 to L3 will not grant you 5%. -------------- Posting Efficiency / Rank 1 / SP: 68542 of 256000 \|
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 01:25:00 - [17] im going to do a test 2-moro i'll let u know if lvl3 makes a differance, if it doe's then i apoligize for posting but thank you for your input
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 01:25:00 - [18] im going to do a test 2-moro i'll let u know if lvl3 makes a differance, if it doe's then i apoligize for posting but thank you for your input
Kojio	Posted - 2004.07.07 01:37:00 - [19] I think what he's trying to say, is that you can get a get a 99% refining yield with just the Refining and Refining Efficiency skills trained to V (and good standings with the station you're refining at), without needing to train the specialy skills. I believe the specialty skills will become important when mobile refineries and POS are introduced, where you will need the specialty skills to make up for the much lower base yields they give.
Kojio	Posted - 2004.07.07 01:37:00 - [20] I think what he's trying to say, is that you can get a get a 99% refining yield with just the Refining and Refining Efficiency skills trained to V (and good standings with the station you're refining at), without needing to train the specialy skills. I believe the specialty skills will become important when mobile refineries and POS are introduced, where you will need the specialty skills to make up for the much lower base yields they give.
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2004.07.07 02:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Svodairs If you did some research instead of writing that run-on sentence you would know that those skill are not a waste. It doesn't need to be fixed, you just need to get into deeper space. The sad part is, judging by the responses, they have no clue what you are talking about. It's a shame, really, that people spend their money on stuff they have absolutely no idea what it does. For everyone who doesn't understand the meaning of "deeper space," this is for you. There are different types of refineries, with varying quality. The highest is a 50% refinery while the lowest is I believe a 30% refinery. If you have RE5 you would get near perfect return from a 50% station. Your ore skills would have no effect at all. If you only ever refine at these stations, your skills would be a waste. However... and this is the good part, if you go below .5 systems (these are the ones you probably don't mine in because you're scared of getting ganked) you will find the piece of junk machinery that these backwater systems use as refineries. These are in many cases less than 50% refineries. If you were to refine here, you would notice that you got crappy yield on your ore.... ....UNLESS you have those precious ore processing skills. They magically make these piece of junk refineries act like their upscale brothers in high sec space. Making you the hero of your mining event and best friend of all your corpmates. It might even help you with the ladies (providing you have single women mining with you). Thus the skills are not a waste unless you waste them yourself by not being able to use them. And that's the long and short of your 'bugged' skills. Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
Marcus Grisbius	Posted - 2004.07.07 02:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Svodairs If you did some research instead of writing that run-on sentence you would know that those skill are not a waste. It doesn't need to be fixed, you just need to get into deeper space. The sad part is, judging by the responses, they have no clue what you are talking about. It's a shame, really, that people spend their money on stuff they have absolutely no idea what it does. For everyone who doesn't understand the meaning of "deeper space," this is for you. There are different types of refineries, with varying quality. The highest is a 50% refinery while the lowest is I believe a 30% refinery. If you have RE5 you would get near perfect return from a 50% station. Your ore skills would have no effect at all. If you only ever refine at these stations, your skills would be a waste. However... and this is the good part, if you go below .5 systems (these are the ones you probably don't mine in because you're scared of getting ganked) you will find the piece of junk machinery that these backwater systems use as refineries. These are in many cases less than 50% refineries. If you were to refine here, you would notice that you got crappy yield on your ore.... ....UNLESS you have those precious ore processing skills. They magically make these piece of junk refineries act like their upscale brothers in high sec space. Making you the hero of your mining event and best friend of all your corpmates. It might even help you with the ladies (providing you have single women mining with you). Thus the skills are not a waste unless you waste them yourself by not being able to use them. And that's the long and short of your 'bugged' skills. Certainty of death... little chance of success... what are we waiting for? - Gimli, son of Gloinn
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 03:02:00 - [23] Originally by: Marcus Grisbius Originally by: Svodairs If you did some research instead of writing that run-on sentence you would know that those skill are not a waste. It doesn't need to be fixed, you just need to get into deeper space. The sad part is, judging by the responses, they have no clue what you are talking about. It's a shame, really, that people spend their money on stuff they have absolutely no idea what it does. For everyone who doesn't understand the meaning of "deeper space," this is for you. There are different types of refineries, with varying quality. The highest is a 50% refinery while the lowest is I believe a 30% refinery. If you have RE5 you would get near perfect return from a 50% station. Your ore skills would have no effect at all. If you only ever refine at these stations, your skills would be a waste. However... and this is the good part, if you go below .5 systems (these are the ones you probably don't mine in because you're scared of getting ganked) you will find the piece of junk machinery that these backwater systems use as refineries. These are in many cases less than 50% refineries. If you were to refine here, you would notice that you got crappy yield on your ore.... ....UNLESS you have those precious ore processing skills. They magically make these piece of junk refineries act like their upscale brothers in high sec space. Making you the hero of your mining event and best friend of all your corpmates. It might even help you with the ladies (providing you have single women mining with you). Thus the skills are not a waste unless you waste them yourself by not being able to use them. And that's the long and short of your 'bugged' skills. I mine in a 0.1 sec system and no im not afraid of being gankedas its part of the game, how ever thank you for explaining it to me as i am a novice when it comes to this game. dev's feel free to lock this thread sry to bother you
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 03:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Marcus Grisbius Originally by: Svodairs If you did some research instead of writing that run-on sentence you would know that those skill are not a waste. It doesn't need to be fixed, you just need to get into deeper space. The sad part is, judging by the responses, they have no clue what you are talking about. It's a shame, really, that people spend their money on stuff they have absolutely no idea what it does. For everyone who doesn't understand the meaning of "deeper space," this is for you. There are different types of refineries, with varying quality. The highest is a 50% refinery while the lowest is I believe a 30% refinery. If you have RE5 you would get near perfect return from a 50% station. Your ore skills would have no effect at all. If you only ever refine at these stations, your skills would be a waste. However... and this is the good part, if you go below .5 systems (these are the ones you probably don't mine in because you're scared of getting ganked) you will find the piece of junk machinery that these backwater systems use as refineries. These are in many cases less than 50% refineries. If you were to refine here, you would notice that you got crappy yield on your ore.... ....UNLESS you have those precious ore processing skills. They magically make these piece of junk refineries act like their upscale brothers in high sec space. Making you the hero of your mining event and best friend of all your corpmates. It might even help you with the ladies (providing you have single women mining with you). Thus the skills are not a waste unless you waste them yourself by not being able to use them. And that's the long and short of your 'bugged' skills. I mine in a 0.1 sec system and no im not afraid of being gankedas its part of the game, how ever thank you for explaining it to me as i am a novice when it comes to this game. dev's feel free to lock this thread sry to bother you
Adriana	Posted - 2004.07.07 06:32:00 - [25] I think the problem for you is you are using a 50% station. Try using a station with lower quality gear (say 30%). Thats where the processing skills will help you. At a 50% station though you don't need nearly the skills to get a near perfect refine. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
Adriana	Posted - 2004.07.07 06:32:00 - [26] I think the problem for you is you are using a 50% station. Try using a station with lower quality gear (say 30%). Thats where the processing skills will help you. At a 50% station though you don't need nearly the skills to get a near perfect refine. Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
Klitte	Posted - 2004.07.07 06:50:00 - [27] Edited by: Klitte on 07/07/2004 06:51:31 Originally by: DigitalAlmo007 so explain to me where the extra 5% is ??? Well here a little mistake. Its not 5% extra its 5% less waste ie you dont get more ores out of a refine than the ore actually contains. I have L5 Refining, L4 Refine Eff and L1 Spec ore processing and a NPC Corp standing at 6.78. I get 100% ores at a 50% station ie no tax and no waste ( true that I might get some waste if I do a 10.000 refinerun at the same time. but smaller batches are at 100% )
Klitte	Posted - 2004.07.07 06:50:00 - [28] Edited by: Klitte on 07/07/2004 06:51:31 Originally by: DigitalAlmo007 so explain to me where the extra 5% is ??? Well here a little mistake. Its not 5% extra its 5% less waste ie you dont get more ores out of a refine than the ore actually contains. I have L5 Refining, L4 Refine Eff and L1 Spec ore processing and a NPC Corp standing at 6.78. I get 100% ores at a 50% station ie no tax and no waste ( true that I might get some waste if I do a 10.000 refinerun at the same time. but smaller batches are at 100% )
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 07:01:00 - [29] Just like to say thank you to all that replied...... also i now know wot the skills are for...... plus im now working on getting the standings up for the npc corp that runs the station..... one last thing wish i'd used my brain before posting god im a n00b
DigitalAlmo007	Posted - 2004.07.07 07:01:00 - [30] Just like to say thank you to all that replied...... also i now know wot the skills are for...... plus im now working on getting the standings up for the npc corp that runs the station..... one last thing wish i'd used my brain before posting god im a n00b

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