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Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 792	Posted - 2012.04.06 03:33:00 - [1] - Quote from How neutral does EVE University get to be? After the success of the University's lowsec camp, in the Hagilur pocket, they've decided to create a nullsec camp. That should prove to be popular with many of the longer term members who don't quite know what to do with all their skill points. Neutrality? So, why set up the first nullsec camp in Fountain? And how does this affect the University's much vaunted neutrality? The arrangement. The University gets access to all of Test's jump bridge network. They get access to Test's markets. They are free to operate within Fountain, with Test as a friendly blue neighbour. A friendly blue neighbour that is likely more than willing to help the University when overwhelmed by existing occupants (Godfathers and others.) In exchange, Test alliance gets nothing. Or so the official stance would suggest. Of course, the reality is that Test gets quite a bit. They have a new channel of recruitment. If you're an EVE University graduate, and your intention is to head to nullsec, where might you start your alliance/corporation search? Test alliance, of course. Test alliance also gets another corporation to help defend the homeland. The official University line is that they will not get involved in any Test conflicts. That may be true with respect to conflicts that occur outside of Fountain space. But let's say that Red Alliance, at some future date, decides to attack Fountain. Is the University going to tuck tail, evacuate all their assets back to safe space, not firing a single shot to defend their new friends and their new home away from home? I would doubt it very much. That's not a particularly grateful attitude. So, defence of the homeland. Test gets to train up a home defence fleet under the auspices of charity and education. Classes. Guest lectures. Joint fleets. Training according to Test standards. After all that Test has done to accommodate the University in Fountain, it's a tad hard to believe that the Uni would abandon their new friends if a time of need happened to arise. Test also gets a brand-new partial pet alliance. Not the entire alliance, but certainly all of their PvPers. The University sets Test to blue standings. Test sets Ivy League to blue standings. That's the given. What of the rest of the Clusterfuck Coalition [CFC]? According to the University, Goonswarm standings will not change (they'll continue to remain as is, which in nullsec means targets.) Exactly how is this going to work? It doesn't happen often, but Test and Goonswarm do fleet together for non-PvP activities. Ripping through missions. Ratting. Incursions. So, a Uni fleet is out on a roam. Finds a nice juicy Goonswarm target, perhaps a ratting Tengu, and pops it. That Tengu was part of a Test fleet. What does Test do? A couple of those incidents and it won't be long before the University has to set all of CFC to blue standings (if they wish to remain in Fountain, of course.) The University becomes a member of CFC, by proxy. What exactly about any of that sounds neutral? I don't care if the University is neutral or not, but don't pretend that they aren't compromising their principles. The moment they set any of the nullsec sovereignty alliances to a blue standing, they are doing away with any notion of neutrality. Pretend to the high ideals is just whitewashing the obvious. They've chosen a side in the sovereignty wars. And that side is the CFC. Syndicate If the University is serious about its neutral standings, why would they not set-up shop in Syndicate? It's an extremely active NPC nullsec region. It houses some of the most experienced and successful small-gang PvP alliances in the game (Agony, Rooks and Kings, Rote Kapelle, Clockwork Pineapple.) You can certainly learn far more about PvP fighting amongst those giants than duking it out with Godfathers over and over in NPC Fountain. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Vio Geraci GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 159	Posted - 2012.04.06 05:33:00 - [2] - Quote You sound jealous!
Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 792	Posted - 2012.04.06 05:59:00 - [3] - Quote Vio Geraci wrote: You sound jealous! Why you got to be something awful? The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
FlameGlow GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 57	Posted - 2012.04.06 07:16:00 - [4] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Syndicate If the University is serious about its neutral standings, why would they not set-up shop in Syndicate? It's an extremely active NPC nullsec region. It houses some of the most experienced and successful small-gang PvP alliances in the game (Agony, Rooks and Kings, Rote Kapelle, Clockwork Pineapple.) You can certainly learn far more about PvP fighting amongst those giants than duking it out with Godfathers over and over in NPC Fountain. Actually Curse is where successful small and young alliances live, Syndicate is a graveyard of elite pvp bittervets and terrible alliances.
Zagdul Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension 525	Posted - 2012.04.06 07:38:00 - [5] - Quote FlameGlow wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: Syndicate If the University is serious about its neutral standings, why would they not set-up shop in Syndicate? It's an extremely active NPC nullsec region. It houses some of the most experienced and successful small-gang PvP alliances in the game (Agony, Rooks and Kings, Rote Kapelle, Clockwork Pineapple.) You can certainly learn far more about PvP fighting amongst those giants than duking it out with Godfathers over and over in NPC Fountain. Actually Curse is where successful small and young alliances live, Syndicate is a graveyard of elite pvp bittervets and terrible alliances. You actually read it? It's not rocket surgery.
Darian Reymont EVE University Ivy League 125	Posted - 2012.04.06 08:07:00 - [6] - Quote Yay we're on CAOD again! Certainly some will say we're choosing sides, though this is far from the first time we've been blue to a sov null alliance. Frankly we don't care about TEST's space and will do absolutely nothing to defend it if it comes under attack. If this seems ungrateful, then too bad. The likelihood of our setting up a nullsec camp off our own back was extremely remote. Not enough will to make it happen. When this offer came in, I saw it as the perfect opportunity to jump start the Uni's null program, and that's exactly what I intend to do. We're only going to be there for a few months, anyway. It'll be fun! Director of Human Resources EVE University https://twitter.com//DarianReymont http://www.eveuniversity.org
Rico Minali Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 527	Posted - 2012.04.06 08:26:00 - [7] - Quote Sounds like good old fashioned political manouevering to me and congratulations to test for managing it, this is why Eve is great. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Heaven Sender V.L.A.S.T. V.L.A.S.T 13	Posted - 2012.04.06 10:29:00 - [8] - Quote Hello dear E-UNI As one humble local citizen of Fountain i would like to say this very few words. As e-space honor behavior first of all i would like to welcome you take this offer form TEST which are now part of elite so they give good chance to entity like you to conquer 0.0 space. You should be excited as much as we are ... ahhh as i say we, let me introduce who are we ... we are ... very humble pirates who carebear most of time .. we are lazy we don't wan't space or fights. Since you have plans as much as i read your 18 pages posts how wonderful your new conquer campaign will be. Let me draw a picture of Fountain atm ... spring ... spring is every where, every corner of space, every system, every gate. Life is reborn from winter, sun is shining, birds are flying plants are growing. Small creeks splashing water this is wonderful place for doing pirate missions, anomalies, ratting on belts of 0.0 making a lot of isk. You will have very good place to grow as your elite hosts who are master peace of PvP, industry, logistics and every aspect of this great game. You will have access to their jump-bridge network which is great. Non of us ever camp this JB we are too busy to rat, doing missions so moving and roaming in fountain core would be easy even we could say safe. Mining is another good way to make isk, manufacture basically making isk in Fountain core is easy and fine. Since we clear this part lets go to fun part and fun of eve is PvP inviting you to Fountain TEST give you big chance to improve wide your PvP skills even we are not such challenge most of time we are semi-friendly i would say even more, we are friendly we are big friends to a visitors we even fire salutes in name of visitors. We will be happy to leave us alone with our rats even if you demand we could set blue standings and we could share some belts and doing together missions is same fleet. We could unite to do plexex if some of you have officer spawn it we will be pleasure to give a hand with logistics ship or falcon. What ever you heard about us it is not true as i say early we are cool chill dudes we are not aggressive we are semi-friendly we give GF in local we never smack never use cheap tactics to fight we ... share. So welcome my friends i have no patience to share with you Your humble friend Heaven http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=549390
Sverige Pahis Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation 975	Posted - 2012.04.06 14:51:00 - [9] - Quote not reading that wall of ellipses and sperg
Temmu Guerra Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate 58	Posted - 2012.04.06 16:00:00 - [10] - Quote who cares?

Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 792	Posted - 2012.04.06 16:17:00 - [11] - Quote Sverige Pahis wrote: not reading that wall of ellipses and sperg Heaven Sender simply needs to learn paragraphs. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Tarsus Zateki GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 390	Posted - 2012.04.06 16:49:00 - [12] - Quote So what exactly are you whining about and why should any give any ***** at all about Eve-U?
9axle GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 7	Posted - 2012.04.06 17:23:00 - [13] - Quote There is a difference between joining Test and setting them to blue.
Gun Gun Kumovi The G0dfathers 0	Posted - 2012.04.06 18:28:00 - [14] - Quote 9axle wrote: There is a difference between joining Test and setting them to blue. Agreed, being part of TEST is much more horrible thing.
Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 792	Posted - 2012.04.06 19:42:00 - [15] - Quote Gun Gun wrote: 9axle wrote: There is a difference between joining Test and setting them to blue. Agreed, being part of TEST is much more horrible thing. I guess you'll get to find out how close Test and E-Uni are in a few days. Apparently the camp is being set-up this weekend. More targets for you, at any rate. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Sephiroth CloneIIV Vitriol Ventures BLACK-MARK 89	Posted - 2012.04.06 19:50:00 - [16] - Quote Test and eve uni are giving new people the experience of the world of nullsec. Is this a problem, should it be reserved for people with 20-50 million SP, and 3 references of nullsec alliances spanning more than a year, and at least a thousand kills. I have had quite a bit of experience with applying to nullsec corps, let me tell you its a hell that no one should ever have to go through, its almost as hard as like real jobs. Tear down that wall, let them in. It does have political implications, and benefits for both sides but truly if any other entity were to give as good as a offer that is not rental or slavery, maybe eve uni would be working with them, and not test.
Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 792	Posted - 2012.04.06 19:57:00 - [17] - Quote Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote: It does have political implications, and benefits for both sides but truly if any other entity were to give as good as a offer that is not rental or slavery, maybe eve uni would be working with them, and not test. Maybe, but probably not. E-Uni's strongest ties are to Test alliance, moreso than any other sov alliance. What would have been wrong with E-Uni moving to NPC nullsec, and avoiding the political implications of their current Test bond? The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Deen Wispa Screaming War Eagles Incorporated 221	Posted - 2012.04.06 20:51:00 - [18] - Quote Goonistas .
Blawrf McTaggart GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 930	Posted - 2012.04.06 20:53:00 - [19] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: Vio Geraci wrote: You sound jealous! Why you got to be something awful? ice burn
Darian Reymont EVE University Ivy League 125	Posted - 2012.04.06 21:05:00 - [20] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: E-Uni's strongest ties are to Test alliance, moreso than any other sov alliance. That the offer came from TEST isn't why it was accepted, it was because the offer was made by people inside TEST whom I trust. Had someone I trusted in any other alliance made a similar offer it would very likely have been accepted. Likewise, had the offer from TEST not come from somebody I trusted, it would likely have been rejected. E-UNI and TEST are, on many levels, fundamentally incompatible. Our cultures are almost entirely opposite, but one thing we do share is a belief in new players and what they can bring to the game. TEST is one of our largest recruiters and this isn't because of some kind of "special relationship", it's because they want those new players and they work for it. They provide us with numerous guest lectures, events and even an apprenticeship program, all of which makes them naturally popular with the students. It's a strategy that works for several other groups also, including ADHC, TRECI, Shiva and Agony, and any other group in the game can do exactly the same thing. Honestly we'd love to work with more corps and alliances out there if they're interested. Poetic Stanziel wrote: What would have been wrong with E-Uni moving to NPC nullsec, and avoiding the political implications of their current Test bond? There's nothing wrong with it, it simply wasn't going to happen. We've been talking about a null camp for years but there was never the drive required to make it happen. The amount of time, effort and resources required to plan that sort of operation meant that smaller projects that provided a more assured return always got priority. When TEST came to us and said, "Hey, you can set up here, we've got all this stuff set up already and you can use it all and we'll even run a bunch of classes on nullsec for you" it made total sense to accept that offer. With the experience we get from this project, a permanent NPC null camp becomes a real possibility. We have the chance to plug a gaping hole in the educational service that we provide. If a few people want to get upset about it, then that's fine by me. Director of Human Resources EVE University https://twitter.com//DarianReymont http://www.eveuniversity.org

Deen Wispa Screaming War Eagles Incorporated 222	Posted - 2012.04.06 21:22:00 - [21] - Quote Darian's response is as logical as it gets. Honestly Poetic, you're reaching here. And quite frankly, meh. Big deal if Unistas want to go join TEST and be horrible. TEST, like any other organization in EVE probably offers some good qualities as well. I have a guy who joined my FW PVP corp with his alt while his main is in EVE Uni. I asked him why, after 9 months is he still in EVE Uni? Especially in light of the fact that you are only supposed to enroll for a few months to learn as much as possible and then move on. He said that he just enjoys the social aspect that EVE Uni offers. My response was still "meh" after that response because I believe you can socialize anywhere else. But to each his own. EDIT: One thing that both Goons and TEST does well is recruit new players. There are few Nullsec alliances who are open to that. It's a strategy that pays off well for them. Not just in using them for meat shields but we all know it's easier for Mittens and company to spread propaganda on complete noobs than it is on veterans who have wisened up. .
Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 792	Posted - 2012.04.06 23:45:00 - [22] - Quote Deen Wispa wrote: Darian's response is as logical as it gets. Honestly Poetic, you're reaching here. It's still cool that they're finally opening a nullsec camp. Kudos to Darian for the effort and such as all that. But he shouldn't pretend that the University is still neutral, that it still retains its treasured and vaunted neutrality. As to the logistical complaint Darian has of opening a base in NPC nullsec. Um, you fly to a station, you open an office, voila! you have a nullsec base. Want to get stuff to the base? Hire Black Frog. That sounds like a far cry from being a headache or a hassle. Whatever. He chose to go the Test route. Eve University Please Enroll. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 173	Posted - 2012.04.07 11:49:00 - [23] - Quote Deen Wispa wrote: but we all know it's easier for Mittens and company to spread propaganda on complete noobs than it is on veterans who have wisened up. This is what pubbies believe Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none.
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 173	Posted - 2012.04.07 11:55:00 - [24] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: As to the logistical complaint Darian has of opening a base in NPC nullsec. Um, you fly to a station, you open an office, voila! you have a nullsec base. Want to get stuff to the base? Hire Black Frog. That sounds like a far cry from being a headache or a hassle. thank you for your valuable insight on PvP deployments into NPC nullsec, noted nullsec alliance leader Poetic Stanziel Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none.
Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 792	Posted - 2012.04.07 19:24:00 - [25] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Poetic Stanziel wrote: As to the logistical complaint Darian has of opening a base in NPC nullsec. Um, you fly to a station, you open an office, voila! you have a nullsec base. Want to get stuff to the base? Hire Black Frog. That sounds like a far cry from being a headache or a hassle. thank you for your valuable insight on PvP deployments into NPC nullsec, noted nullsec alliance leader Poetic Stanziel No problem, man. That's what I do. I turn frowns upside-down. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Megy Feel V.L.A.S.T. V.L.A.S.T 2	Posted - 2012.04.08 04:58:00 - [26] - Quote Hello Darien, don't listen to the haters and simply follow what you think is best for I-UNI and its students. I'm sure we can learn a lot from each other and have some fun. If i have spare time i can give your students few tips if you don't mind ofcourse. :)
OninoTimmo ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 54	Posted - 2012.04.08 06:03:00 - [27] - Quote leave it to some ex-Ushra Khan publord to get upset about something awesome someone is doing for new players
Lovelocke Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore 81	Posted - 2012.04.08 15:16:00 - [28] - Quote E-Uni announce they will be giving their members a greater view of the EVE universe and for some strange reason people seem to be incredibly butthurt over it... Didn't read the OP, only posting because I noticed Poetic is now in En Garde so I'm hoping he brings a Tengu to the North where his buddies have been welping recently. Also for those interested I am currently writing a brief blog on this particular subject so if anyone is genuinely interested stay tuned.
Poetic Stanziel The Littlest Hobos En Garde 794	Posted - 2012.04.08 20:23:00 - [29] - Quote Lovelocke wrote: Also for those interested I am currently writing a brief blog on this particular subject so if anyone is genuinely interested stay tuned. But you're not going to say anything negative about the newest member to the CFC. Well, it'll be a fun read no matter. The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 177	Posted - 2012.04.08 20:33:00 - [30] - Quote Poetic Stanziel wrote: But you're not going to say anything negative about the newest member to the CFC. Well, it'll be a fun read no matter. Black-mark? Don't mind me, I'm just adding content to threads that otherwise have none.



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