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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:37:00 - [91] I brought up the idea of a 60 second session timer and had my butt ruined prison style by a number of posters because of it lol. Even 45 seconds would be an improvement. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Originally by: Horza Otho [06:36:47] Horza Otho > its all good, everytime i fit a mega i play some mariah carey in the backround
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:40:00 - [92] Originally by: Bellum Eternus I brought up the idea of a 60 second session timer and had my butt ruined prison style by a number of posters because of it lol. Even 45 seconds would be an improvement. But really, it would make the scenario you're describing into a situation where both you and your target has an opportunity to accomplish what you want to. Without needing to fiddle with webs that affect a whole lot more than just this one situation.
Dez Affinity Evocati.	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:42:00 - [93] Originally by: Vohsa Kimara Originally by: Dez Affinity Edited by: Dez Affinity on 13/11/2008 15:53:48 Originally by: Jas Dor Well pardon me for pointing out that melting a well tanked player battleship within a time limit might require more then one person. Somehow I don't see this as a design defect. There's a difference between using more than one person and bringing more and more people until you can achieve what you used to be able to achieve with a couple. Originally by: Ghost Goat and how would you know im a nameless alt ? people like you are exactly the reason i post with alt ... player of high standing ? he must be important if he post in orange I know you are a nameless alt because you are an alt. You even admit to it. I know you are nameless because no one here knows your name. See how that works? You post with an alt because you know your main will get flamed equally as much if not more for being a terrible PvPer. He is of high standing compared to you, he has played this game for a long time and actually done a lot of PvP and seemingly rather successfully. Sorry, who the hell are you? Oh right...nobody. "!" _______________
Jalif Scorpion's Sting	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:44:00 - [94] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Jalif Well, I am a pirate. Shall I explain why I am not on a gate? You didn't explain. We are talking about gate camping here, and in order to stop someone from warping off, something called a disruptor is used. In order to get the best chance of being in range of the jump in, you need to be 0km on the gate in the middle. Now, why would a pirate be burning back to the gate in that scenario. And I still can't understand why DHB doesn't simply have someone deagro at the same time the hostile does, so he can like....jump through as well. The fact the guy gets away has nothing to do with webs, jut a bad decision. uhhmm.. they increased agility.. I can't have a SS on my Hurricane. 0km on the gate... Duhhhh... But those ships still get back... & I am not gatecamping because a bloody AS or 2 could take down my hurricane without trouble....
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:47:00 - [95] Originally by: Vohsa Kimara Sorry, who the hell are you? Oh right...nobody. Some people in this game do not strive for forum-fame, Dez is one of them. But I can attest to the fact that Dez is most likely a player of skill and experience enough to outclass most other EVE-players. Regardless of his in-game age (which is still significant enough). He is one of the best solo-PvP:ers I've come across in this game. I value his input over a "!" any day of the week.
NeoTheo The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.13 17:50:00 - [96] wildcat, showing the world ccp does not play the game, 1 post at a time. - MVN - Pupula 'Ohana If you dont know, well, you dont know!
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.11.13 18:00:00 - [97] Originally by: Jalif uhhmm.. they increased agility.. I can't have a SS on my Hurricane. 0km on the gate... Duhhhh... But those ships still get back... & I am not gatecamping because a bloody AS or 2 could take down my hurricane without trouble.... I fully understand aligning at a safe spot with a scout telling you what is jumping in, I've done it many times myself. My point is, I don't believe DHB's description of events. The only time a "pirate" would burn back to the gate is if HE had just jumped in, therefore, DHB was camping, and not shooting campers, as even if they hard warped in from safe, they would land at 0km. Also, my point about deagroing and jumping after him still stands.
NeoTheo The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.11.13 18:03:00 - [98] Originally by: Vohsa Kimara Sorry, who the hell are you? Oh right...nobody. more to the point, who the hell are you? - MVN - Pupula 'Ohana If you dont know, well, you dont know!
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.11.13 18:15:00 - [99] WhoAmI - Boosters and PirateProfessions
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.13 18:17:00 - [100] Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Originally by: Bellum Eternus I brought up the idea of a 60 second session timer and had my butt ruined prison style by a number of posters because of it lol. Even 45 seconds would be an improvement. But really, it would make the scenario you're describing into a situation where both you and your target has an opportunity to accomplish what you want to. Without needing to fiddle with webs that affect a whole lot more than just this one situation. I know, I'm agreeing with you. I'm just saying that when I brought it up, I got ripped apart like a goldfish at a shark convention. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Originally by: Horza Otho [06:36:47] Horza Otho > its all good, everytime i fit a mega i play some mariah carey in the backround
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.13 18:49:00 - [101] Originally by: Lady Karma Originally by: Jalif uhhmm.. they increased agility.. I can't have a SS on my Hurricane. 0km on the gate... Duhhhh... But those ships still get back... & I am not gatecamping because a bloody AS or 2 could take down my hurricane without trouble.... I fully understand aligning at a safe spot with a scout telling you what is jumping in, I've done it many times myself. My point is, I don't believe DHB's description of events. The only time a "pirate" would burn back to the gate is if HE had just jumped in, therefore, DHB was camping, and not shooting campers, as even if they hard warped in from safe, they would land at 0km. Also, my point about deagroing and jumping after him still stands. You are right, a pirate in a mega, would never MWD out to the raven it was killing. Then 12km off the gate when I come to gate at 0, the mega would never go "oh ****, Run, wait im scrambled, get to the gate! jump out!" That would never happen. WildCat
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.11.13 19:12:00 - [102] HIDs are pratically invulnerable in low sec now because of this, its almost impossible to keep one from getting to the gate from 20km away, even with 2 webs on it (I'm sorry but that's crazy IMO). DHB, on a serious note; how are your uber raven fits holding up aside from the webs, can you still tank and gank sufficiently with the speed and missile damage changes? -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
DHB WildCat BURN EDEN Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.13 19:19:00 - [103] The raven is a useless POS now. /me cries a tear. WildCat
Ocih	Posted - 2008.11.13 19:19:00 - [104] Originally by: Dez Affinity Originally by: Aarin Wrath Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 13/11/2008 14:58:09 So gatecamps are no longer like shooting fish in a barrel? You have to use tactics? and think? Man the end times are here! He said he was killing the gatecamp, not gatecamping himself. You are arguing against gatecamping when the OP is himself saying it is TOO EASY FOR GATECAMPERS TO GET AWAY. You are mentally deficient. No, you are a forum camper. Otherwise you would know, Burn Eden are no ****in hero's saving the tribes of New Eden from the evil gate campers. They are AFK cloakers who fly in to Sov space and park Battleships off the gates, waiting for Industrial victims and ratters. Only this guy picked a Sov where they had active police fleets. Trust me, don't embarass yourself defending him.
Ocih	Posted - 2008.11.13 19:27:00 - [105] Originally by: DHB WildCat The raven is a useless POS now. /me cries a tear. WildCat In your benefit, they should have pulled everyones rigs. This was massive and there are trillions in rigs right now that don't fit the ships they are in. They also need to reconsider the bonuses on some of these 'specialist' .aka one trick pony ships. The question I have is, while you couldn't kill him, what is the chance he would have killed you?
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.11.13 19:29:00 - [106] Originally by: DHB WildCat The raven is a useless POS now. /me cries a tear. WildCat Lol, Can't wait to see the next burning EVE... -- Originally by: CCP Oveur Just donæt forget the reach-around.
Marcus Druallis Quantum Industries RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.13 19:30:00 - [107] Originally by: Terraform I agree that it's definitely a nerf to gatecamping... but i fail to see how that's even remotely a bad thing. I have entered low-sec 4 times in my whole eve-existence, ALL of them ended with me dead in a gatecamp, 2 of them with my pod being squished as well. I can't really say i have any sympathy for gatecampers at all. People like you make me sick. You don't know how to play EVE. You got podded in low sec twice? Really? Don't confuse your lack of game knowledge and skill for a broken system. Low sec is extremely easy to get through. --
Miss Marketing University of Caille	Posted - 2008.11.13 20:15:00 - [108] Originally by: Marcus Druallis Originally by: Terraform I agree that it's definitely a nerf to gatecamping... but i fail to see how that's even remotely a bad thing. I have entered low-sec 4 times in my whole eve-existence, ALL of them ended with me dead in a gatecamp, 2 of them with my pod being squished as well. I can't really say i have any sympathy for gatecampers at all. People like you make me sick. You don't know how to play EVE. You got podded in low sec twice? Really? Don't confuse your lack of game knowledge and skill for a broken system. Low sec is extremely easy to get through. QFT. If you lose a pod in lowsec to anything besides SBs, you fail.
dolmant	Posted - 2008.11.14 15:10:00 - [109] so basically, what im getting from this thread is: (apart from this, this is my own point) stargates are now huge. diffcult to cover. scrams have less range then webs. if you wish to shutdown a mwd, gl, cos you have to wait till they are within range, i.e. already at speed. you also need 2 webs, to counter an ab, cos 1 web isnt enough. oh, and cos you cant point the guy to begin with, you need a 24km scram. so thats 4 tackle mids, instead of two. and the guy will still get away 90% of the time, and if he has an tanking mods at all, its 98% of the time. Therefore, we now must either: A fit our ships with with 2pt scram or second web, to counter one of the two setups. B bring a blob therefore, most of this thread reckons that unless both parties want to engage and they dont decide to deagress (30sec timer needs to be changed?) there will be no solo gate/station warfare in empire/0.0/lowsec. Suggestions? i personally am going to read some killboards in about a week, see whether ab/mwd are more common, and fit accordingly on a completely different note hope to see a warrior mwd speed decrease (slight) and a web buff to at (preferable) or above 70% gl guys. You may continue flaming (CCP and myself)
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.14 15:19:00 - [110] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 14/11/2008 15:20:47 Originally by: DHB WildCat Webs have been used for a miriad of different purposes. Sometimes to keep smaller ships in range. Sometimes to hold targets in a bubble. Sometimes to slow down targets long enough to get range and run. I thought the web nerf really wouldnt effect me too badly. However today I have experienced a terrible event multiple times, that I fear will become the norm. I have had several Battleships today, webbed and scrambed in various low secs. All flashing red all engaging. However, with todays super passive tanks, and **ING BULL** webs. All targets were able to tank long enough and slowboat back to the gate and jump out! Before the nerf this was not even slightly possible. Now the laugh as they tank and jump out! We need a way to stop this from happening. PVP, is dieing very quickly these days! WildCat Scramblers are mandatory now. I tested it a lot, and there is simply no way to effectively tackle without scramblers. Once they're in the equation, with multiple webs (2-4), tackling is more efficient then ever. Also, you need more people. Virtually no ship has all the midslots to replicate anything similar to what they did before (you'd ideally want a MWD/disruptor/scrambler/web/web at minimum) while doing anything remotely useful.
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.14 16:22:00 - [111] Originally by: DHB WildCat The raven is a useless POS now. /me cries a tear. WildCat Yeah I agree. I wish I had sold my CNR and two ravens before the patch. To edify your point, last night we ran in a cruiser/hac/hictor gang and the battleships we killed, had no chance. In my cerb I had a raven Tpaint (PWNAGE) me , firing precision cruise and it didn't even matter. I was in no danger of dying from the raven. We ran through battleships quickly, we only lost two ships and all the while under gate gun fire for all the PvP kills last night. Yes the raven on a whole is dead, get 4 or 5 people in hictors and hacs and you have a great gatecamp.
Ambien Torca	Posted - 2008.11.14 16:34:00 - [112] I¦d like to see gates removed, whole agress/deagress pvp sucks anyway (same goes for stations)... How about some real in-system travelling instead and more varied/interesting pvp encounters.
emf Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:04:00 - [113] The part I don't understand the most is why CPP felt the need to hit so hard with the nerf stick. One would think that halving the effectiveness of webs would be already overkill. (2 new webs = 1 old web) They instead decide to reduce it's effectiveness by 400%. Yes, that's right, FOUR HUNDRED ($*!)$ PERCENT. Either CCP fails at basic math or they thought webs were really overpowered last time. Imagine any other module nerfed 400%. What next? Warp disruptors with 6km range to increase tactical options? Falcons with 2 mid slots? MWDs which increased speeds by 125%? Autocannons which did 1/4 the previous damage? Yet CCP felt the need to nerf webs by 400%....
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:12:00 - [114] 400% of next to nothing is not very much at all. So it's not as bad as it sounds.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:18:00 - [115] Webs were also the only module with such (ridiculous stats), -90% change to speed. While i agree something can be changed to prevent people from jumping back, i also like it that you can move a bit during combat, instead of always having at least one -90% web on you. Imagine a magstab that increases your dps ten times.
Bazman Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.11.14 17:47:00 - [116] Similar situation here. I soloed alot in 0.0, and quite simply a single ship simply can't hold down a target long enough to kill it before it returns to a gate and jumps out. PVP is in its worst state that I've ever seen it. I hated nano's with a passion, yet didn't support the nanonerf as it was proposed in months leading up to this expansion. In the near future I think we're going to see a downward trend in the number of players involved in solo/small gang PVP as they either abandon it for the Alliance conflicts or leave the game altogether. Christ I sound like one of those doomsayers but this is the first time I've actually believed that EVE has died a little. -----
Kroma BaSyl Amarr Snickers Inc	Posted - 2008.11.14 18:10:00 - [117] Originally by: Captain Hack get your alt into rapier instead of falcon? You seriously owe me a new monitor, as this one now has coke all over it. And my alt likes his falcon just fine thanks. Kroma BaSyl CEO - Snickers Inc Don't hate me because I am beautiful!
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.11.14 18:34:00 - [118] Originally by: emf Yet CCP felt the need to nerf webs by 400%.... Yes, since it allows ABs to become useful again, and since web+scram against MWDs has pretty much the same effect as the old web.
El Kaposo Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.11.14 18:34:00 - [119] never understood why they went through with that web nerf. 60%, thats a joke. rather they should have introduced a counter module to webs. that would have been consistent with their game design in reference to all other electronic warfare modules.
gtcsellalt	Posted - 2008.11.14 19:01:00 - [120] my officer fit, with afterburner navy mega is invincible o.O

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