Whenever someone refines ores, tax them ISK, not minerals. Figure out the tax by the value of the minerals refined.

Determine the market price(Jita or average of all +0.5 sec trades) of all minerals. Weighted by volume and an average across the past week. Any price more than +/-20 percent of last average is discarded. No more than 20% of total volume discarded. If more than 20% discarded, then average for all sales.

This is a very simple SQL query.

I understand charging minerals is "elegant" in that you don't have to determine market prices, but you are like ten years in.

Do the minimal work required to create this ISK sink.

I'm telling you right now if the programmers start whining at you..... something is very wrong with your programming department. This is very easy to do. I could do it. In like a day. Anyone who has used SQL of any kind should be able to.

If you don't have an SQL database for transactions. Well then. That is very interesting in itself.

Whenever someone refines ores, tax them ISK, not minerals.

Because if people just accumulate ISK over time, without any meaningful expenditure, then when the time comes that the market is saturated and everything is available to everybody then fixing the issue is even more difficult and painful. Not to mention the fact that the "player driven economy" ceases to favor the players driving the economy, aka miners and industrialists.

The fact that you think Eve should be some space rich wonderland in which everyone owns everything doesn't matter, that is not popular opinion. Just read the threads on the subject of economic upheaval: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1079092#post1079092

Notice that the OP's post complaining about economic turmoil receives two likes, and is flamed for the next 10 pages. The second and third posts expressing optimism for the incoming changes received a total of more than 70 likes, and the opinions are mirrored in the posts that span the next ten pages.

Also, FYI I strongly suspect more than 10,000 players do have over 100b in their wallets. The truth is that in Eve today most players can afford almost any ship, and losing those ships has little meaning to them. You may think that is good, we disagree.

Guess you should just HTFU and be more careful with your ships, because this change is happening. Try to enjoy it.

Sigh...

For any and all of you who think mining is a isk faucet needs to go sit down in one of eve unis economic class. or soemthing.

Mining is an isk sink. Period. Failure to understand this concept is failure to grasp the eve economy.

What mining does is a open an Object Faucet however. Which plays into the cirlce of object life very well, Harvest Build Destroy is quite at a near healthy state. Other than profiliation of super capitals most things are getting destroyed pertty consistenly.

I supposed a higher refinery tax (which would almost require 9.0 standigns to nullify) would do worlds of good of encouraging outward growth of eve from high into low as well as lower efficency (overstressed refineries people being croocked)
Low secs threshhold should be much lower 5.0 standings or less.
Null should be allow to get to perfect relatively easily for allaince level efforts depending on the outposts and upgrades to the outposts.

An isk tax on refining wouldnt be as sensible as mineral loss via mineral tax.

The issue is you do not want to put eve into a position where if you where knocked down back your velator you should be able to recover from it. Empire sales taxes are about to go up, as well as transaction taxes from the SEC. There are alot of monkey wrenches being thorwn back in and at the rate of the economy turmoil we're quickly heading back to a era where deploying a battleship was soemthing you didnt do on a whim because they where replacable.

Carrier losses are going to hurt again.
With the frigate boost inbound expect more and more pvpers to migrate twoards bang for the buck options.

So TL;DR version

Isk tax on refines bad idea
Higher Mineral Tax on scapping a good idea.
Higher Mineral Tax on refining in empire and slightly lower than empire in low also a good idea.

Everyone who agrees does not mine/collect modules


Everyone who hates the idea is a miner/mission runner

Good thing Im neither

Eve only has 300,000 accounts because every other company is to stupid to make a MMO with spaceships.

Nova, I'm curious how you can be neither a miner nor a non-miner.

This seems like a logical fallacy.

Not that I wanted to weaken your stance, mind you.

I just feel I have to call it as I see it.

Wow!

This really wouldnt change anything would it? I mean, if Im getting an extra tax, Im just going to pass that tax on to the consumer (assuming isk tax)