If you havent been paying attention the price of things has nearly doubled.

Economy Fail.

Doubeling prices is what we call isk velocity. Not isk alot of isk dissapearing.

Please, tell me more about how how you're a pro with SQL and armchair economics.

Generally, more ISK=more isk velocity.

An ISK based refining tax lowers total ISK and generally should lower inflation.

I can't think of a case where it would INCREASE inflation.

According to the latest economy blogs it does not
Too many people are holding onto thier isk.

According to the latest economy blogs it does not
Too many people are holding onto thier isk.

Any programmer who has worked with SQL could do it.

It is very obvious change.

According to the latest economy blogs it does not
Too many people are holding onto thier isk.

Government Solutions

This will hurt new players more than anyone else.

Creating an ISK disincentive to mining is short sighted. Allow other professions to rise in value relative to rat shooting, don't start taxing them because you think it would be cool.

No formula can know what the price of something should be at anyone time. The best it can do is guess a range.

ISK will be taken out at the time of sale, as prices go up, more ISK will be removed anyway.

I disagree.


Player Owned Outposts provide an ability to tax people and see a return. It would hurt those people who count on that return for things such as building ships to fuel their corps/alliances.

In my opinion, the current system works for null and wouldn't agree with the idea unless they implemented a different formula for Empire run refineries.

What is this intended to accomplish?

If the object is to stop people with -ve wallet balance mining then I much prefer the 0.01ISK charge for jet cans idea.

The refine taxes are better in minerals for the simple reason that it's certain that the refiner has minerals to take, a newbie miner might find he doesn't have sufficient funds in his wallet to cover the refine for example - and given a mix of different veldspars, scordites and pyroxereses (and an assumption that you don't tax someone into a -ve wallet) how do you break up the refine job to allow ISK taxes to be paid?

Given that refine taxes tend to hit newer players hardest and that nullsec alliances often use refine taxes to manufacture I don't think that an ISK based system is ideal.

He's advocating changing the taxating in minerals when refining for a taxation in ISK.

This wil not disincentive anything. Only remove more ISK from the game is GOOD.

Yes I realize that, and it is a bad idea. Along with all similar bad ideas like docking fees, jump gate fees and half of the other silly notions that have been thrown around.

Reduction of the ISK faucets across the board, increasing the prices by limiting supply, increasing divisions of labor and benifit from specialization in productive endeavors, is the way to go.

Tacking on an ISK cost to activities that are not ISK creation is asinine and counter productive to the problem.

Whenever someone refines ores, tax them ISK, not minerals. Figure out the tax by the value of the minerals refined.

Determine the market price(Jita or average of all +0.5 sec trades) of all minerals. Weighted by volume and an average across the past week. Any price more than +/-20 percent of last average is discarded. No more than 20% of total volume discarded. If more than 20% discarded, then average for all sales.

This is a very simple SQL query.

I understand charging minerals is "elegant" in that you don't have to determine market prices, but you are like ten years in.

Do the minimal work required to create this ISK sink.

I'm telling you right now if the programmers start whining at you..... something is very wrong with your programming department. This is very easy to do. I could do it. In like a day. Anyone who has used SQL of any kind should be able to.

If you don't have an SQL database for transactions. Well then. That is very interesting in itself.

This is a simple idea that would cause refining to go from being slightly bad for the economy to slightly good for the economy. If we apply this same thought process to a dozen other things we won't need a silver bullet to save us.

Yes, I'm well aware of that. My comment was mocking your apparent, and somewhat condescending, belief that CCP do not know how to perform an SQL query and are also completely incognizant of the potential economic repercussions of game mechanics changes.


This, pretty much.

Rapidly increasing mineral/ship prices is good for one thing, getting money to move hands. Coupled with incursion nerfs, and the proposed future 10% bounties decrease it should combat anything terrible happening due to an increase in bounties from the drone regions whilst also making everything more expensive for everybody.

This is not only a much needed buff to the mining profession, who always seem to get the short end of the straw, it will also hopefully get some of that ISK moving again. And ISK that's moving hands is taxed, and tax is an ISK sink. Yay.

But anyway, inflation or no inflation, I look forward to risk/reward balance being returned to the game. And I sincerely hope ships begin to have value again, even if that does put carriers and supers safely out of the reach of idiots like this Jessie guy.

Yes I realize that, and it is a bad idea. Along with all similar bad ideas like docking fees, jump gate fees and half of the other silly notions that have been thrown around.

Reduction of the ISK faucets across the board, increasing the prices by limiting supply, increasing divisions of labor and benifit from specialization in productive endeavors, is the way to go.

Tacking on an ISK cost to activities that are not ISK creation is asinine and counter productive to the problem.

I'm curious why "people holding on to their ISK" is a problem. Cause you say it is? Cause you can become really excited when talking about it? Is that why?

If 10,000 players had 100,000,000,000 ISK each in their wallet and never ever spent it, that would be a problem how?

BECAUSE MITTANI SAID! And we have gotten all super excited about it!

So, how do you think, zippy, those people are going to react to Null Bears shaking them down for all their ISK?

I know, I know, they need to HTFU. Or leave. One or the other.

You misunderstand. The taxes would be in addition to the minerals.

Think about it, combat pilots expend ammunition and are then taxed.

Marketeers expend ISK and then are taxed for it.

The pattern is prevalent in all professions.

Why should refineries operate tax-free? Nobody's saying the tax should be huge.

But it might actually increase the profitability of being a "refiner" in Eve.

Now you can legitimately tell your buddies that there's overhead - and you're going to have to charge them for it.