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Hope Troja Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.14 04:04:00 - [1] Edited by: Hope Troja on 14/11/2008 04:04:17 CCP's one of the few Developers that actually listen to their players, this can be a good or bad thing but if CCP listen and act on the whines that have permeated all forum sections since QR it will definitely be the latter. IÆm writing this as its inevitable that if the whining gets load enough CCP will roll back. CCP- A small minority may well leave but the majority will adapt. Stand your ground; what you did you did for the good of the game.
Jim Hazard	Posted - 2008.11.14 04:07:00 - [2] Edited by: Jim Hazard on 14/11/2008 04:07:12 Originally by: Hope Troja Edited by: Hope Troja on 14/11/2008 04:04:17 CCP's one of the few Developers that actually listen to their players, this can be a good or bad thing but if CCP listen and act on the whines that have permeated all forum sections since QR it will definitely be the latter. IÆm writing this as its inevitable that if the whining gets load enough CCP will roll back. CCP- A small minority may well leave but the majority will adapt. Stand your ground; what you did you did for the good of the game. 1st and signed
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 04:09:00 - [3] Yes, making all missile ships utterly useless for PvP was good for the game. I believe you because you're completely unbia-wait a second. You're Gallente. Might want to check the usefulness (haha) of blasters if you think it's just Caldari getting nerfed,
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2008.11.14 04:11:00 - [4] The missile nerf and nano nerf were both handled inappropriately. I don't want a rollback. I want a do-over. And this time they need to get it right. ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf.
Jim Hazard	Posted - 2008.11.14 04:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Vikarion Yes, making all missile ships utterly useless for PvP was good for the game. I believe you because you're completely unbia-wait a second. You're Gallente. Might want to check the usefulness (haha) of blasters if you think it's just Caldari getting nerfed, For people like you i would wish that ccp would do a rollback for a week.. but not a rollback to 1 week ago but one back to 2003 (just for a week) maybe then all you whiners would finally stop the crying... Eve has become so easy, far too easy and still all the people can only whine...
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.11.14 04:40:00 - [6] All of the devs responsible for making EVE a great game have since moved on to bigger and better things.
Mikhale Romanov Black Hats Delta	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:01:00 - [7] Originally by: Hope Troja Edited by: Hope Troja on 14/11/2008 04:04:17 CCP's one of the few Developers that actually listen to their players, this can be a good or bad thing but if CCP listen and act on the whines that have permeated all forum sections since QR it will definitely be the latter. IÆm writing this as its inevitable that if the whining gets load enough CCP will roll back. CCP- A small minority may well leave but the majority will adapt. Stand your ground; what you did you did for the good of the game. Um.. did you see the 33+ page post about blasters? or the 28ish about missiles? CCP did not listen and just went ahead with it. The adaption factor was not difficult .. few painters and webs and the problem is solved (for torps) but the range reduction AGAIN kinda sucks.. since my Torp boat can not AB up like it used to. While I gained nothing (my torp raven and widow, both cruise and torp, need atleast 2 tacks and 2 painters) the game is still fun. ZOMG Communism!
Flightcrow	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:12:00 - [8] Can i have your stuff?
Infinity Ziona Extortive	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:13:00 - [9] I bit of forethought and consideration by CCP towards its players would be nice. I have a lot of skillpoints so Im not really affected by the nerf that much but how hard would it have been for CCP to refund all the missile related skill points and allow people to reallocate them. These guys have been doing this for some many years, you build up your character and they in some cases completely reinvent the game and then expect the players to adapt without reallocating skill points affected by the changes. If people want to put them back into the nerfed areas they could but the people who feel badly would be a lot happier then they are now. This is a sandbox game but quite regularly CCP comes along and kicks your sandcastle down without giving you any of the sand back to build it into something else. Ganking Buddhist Nun
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Hope Troja CCP- A small minority may well leave Doubtful. They will just come to the forums in a disposible alt and emoragequit then keep on playing with their main. Hell I've done it a few times for the lulz at the crowd of indignate poasters it always attracts. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan

Bohoba Caldari HolyKnights	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:21:00 - [11] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Hope Troja CCP- A small minority may well leave Doubtful. They will just come to the forums in a disposible alt and emoragequit then keep on playing with their main. Hell I've done it a few times for the lulz at the crowd of indignate poasters it always attracts. I plead the 5th and I will drink one too :) but the game has gon to ****s here latly; I just stick to mining getting and getting rich I use to hate these guys making money of my loses now I will sit back and make money off your losses I plead the 5th and I will drink one too :) 10.5 hours a day do you have what it takes ?
Tiirae The New Era HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.11.14 05:22:00 - [12] Originally by: Infinity Ziona I bit of forethought and consideration by CCP towards its players would be nice. I have a lot of skillpoints so Im not really affected by the nerf that much but how hard would it have been for CCP to refund all the missile related skill points and allow people to reallocate them. These guys have been doing this for some many years, you build up your character and they in some cases completely reinvent the game and then expect the players to adapt without reallocating skill points affected by the changes. If people want to put them back into the nerfed areas they could but the people who feel badly would be a lot happier then they are now. This is a sandbox game but quite regularly CCP comes along and kicks your sandcastle down without giving you any of the sand back to build it into something else. reallocation of SP is a terrible idea and one that CCP will never implement. What on earth is the point of nerfing something if you then give players the means to stop using it and switch to something else that will then need to be nerfed. A bit of forethought by players about the dangers of overspecialisation would be a good idea. All MMOs suffer from the nerf/buff cycle and if you put every second of training into a single skilltree then you can hardly be surprised when the inevitable nerf hits you harder than anyone else.
Infinity Ziona Extortive	Posted - 2008.11.14 06:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Tiirae Originally by: Infinity Ziona I bit of forethought and consideration by CCP towards its players would be nice. I have a lot of skillpoints so Im not really affected by the nerf that much but how hard would it have been for CCP to refund all the missile related skill points and allow people to reallocate them. These guys have been doing this for some many years, you build up your character and they in some cases completely reinvent the game and then expect the players to adapt without reallocating skill points affected by the changes. If people want to put them back into the nerfed areas they could but the people who feel badly would be a lot happier then they are now. This is a sandbox game but quite regularly CCP comes along and kicks your sandcastle down without giving you any of the sand back to build it into something else. reallocation of SP is a terrible idea and one that CCP will never implement. What on earth is the point of nerfing something if you then give players the means to stop using it and switch to something else that will then need to be nerfed. A bit of forethought by players about the dangers of overspecialisation would be a good idea. All MMOs suffer from the nerf/buff cycle and if you put every second of training into a single skilltree then you can hardly be surprised when the inevitable nerf hits you harder than anyone else. Your post is non-sensical. Firstly. Missiles are not overpowered or underpowered. They're fine. Second. Unless you are a CCP dev, you have no idea whether CCP will ever implement a suggested change or not. Do a search and see how many thousands of posts exist saying local will never be removed from 0.0 / low-sec for an example. 3rd. If CCP does nerf something into extinction, you will invariably get almost EVERYONE except die hard role-players training over to the next FOTM - its happened many times before. Thank you. Next. Ganking Buddhist Nun
Pliauga Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.11.14 06:13:00 - [14] Originally by: Hope Troja Edited by: Hope Troja on 14/11/2008 04:04:17 CCP's one of the few Developers that actually listen to their players, this can be a good or bad thing but if CCP listen and act on the whines that have permeated all forum sections since QR it will definitely be the latter. IÆm writing this as its inevitable that if the whining gets load enough CCP will roll back. CCP- A small minority may well leave but the majority will adapt. Stand your ground; what you did you did for the good of the game. I approve this message/statement. ---------- DRONE love rulez!! 'mkay?! .
Mutabae	Posted - 2008.11.14 06:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Vikarion Yes, making all missile ships utterly useless for PvP was good for the game. I believe you because you're completely unbia-wait a second. You're Gallente. Might want to check the usefulness (haha) of blasters if you think it's just Caldari getting nerfed, Oh look. Ignorance. Please biomass your character. Eve is not for you.
SharpMango 14th Legion	Posted - 2008.11.14 06:23:00 - [16] signed.
Cat Molina Minmatar Psychotic Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:10:00 - [17] I'm loving the new changes.
John Hollow Minmatar Afterisk	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:17:00 - [18] Seriously though, only time will tell. No one can jump in the game, try their old setup to find it better/worse and come to a conclusion on the patch. I'm sure CCP will keep a close eye on things in the next couple months and then see if it worked or not. No way to tell if it is better just yet.
geomatica Infusion. G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:21:00 - [19] Originally by: Jim Hazard Originally by: Vikarion Yes, making all missile ships utterly useless for PvP was good for the game. I believe you because you're completely unbia-wait a second. You're Gallente. Might want to check the usefulness (haha) of blasters if you think it's just Caldari getting nerfed, For people like you i would wish that ccp would do a rollback for a week.. but not a rollback to 1 week ago but one back to 2003 (just for a week) maybe then all you whiners would finally stop the crying... Eve has become so easy, far too easy and still all the people can only whine... Frankly this. And I started playing Oct 04. I'd like to go back JUST TO SEE it, plus to watch the hordes of whiners leave because they can't hack actually having to think about things in EVE. Sig Coming Soon(TM)
Schultze Caldari 0rigins EVESpace	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:26:00 - [20] signed

Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Mutabae Originally by: Vikarion Yes, making all missile ships utterly useless for PvP was good for the game. I believe you because you're completely unbia-wait a second. You're Gallente. Might want to check the usefulness (haha) of blasters if you think it's just Caldari getting nerfed, Oh look. Ignorance. Please biomass your character. Eve is not for you. I suspect that you haven't tried hitting cruisers with heavy missiles then? Or considered the effect that negatives to web and MWD will have on the Thorax and Megathron, to say nothing of the Deimos. I fly Amarr, and have for almost a year. I'm not hurting. I'm just worried about the direction of the game.
Opertone Caldari SIEGE. United Legion	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:48:00 - [22] Originally by: Allen Ramses The missile nerf and nano nerf were both handled inappropriately. I don't want a rollback. I want a do-over. And this time they need to get it right. this is better, CCP keep working, make things better, let player base be happy... missiles that don't hit the same ship class **** me off? Who ever would produce them in space? Unless the target maneuvers there is no way that fat missile won't get the target. Missiles are lighter than spaceships, they are hitters, not fire show rockets.
Djan Anaplian Gallente Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:50:00 - [23] These posts are useless to be honest, the players posted in their thousands AGAINST the nano - nerf, CCP ignored them - get on with your lives and adapt.
Kransthow The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:50:00 - [24] adapt or die
Mankirks Wife	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:58:00 - [25] I have to agree with the OP. From my own experience and what I've seen in-game and on the boards, there seems to be two kinds of pilots with this patch. Pilot A: "ZOMGALLMYSTUFFISNERFEDIRAGEQUITRAAAAAAAWR!" ... and... Pilot B: "Well this sucks.. no wait, I just have to re-do my fits a bit... hmm I seem to have a lot more strategy options... this patch isn't so bad after all." ---
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 07:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Mankirks Wife I have to agree with the OP. From my own experience and what I've seen in-game and on the boards, there seems to be two kinds of pilots with this patch. Pilot A: "ZOMGALLMYSTUFFISNERFEDIRAGEQUITRAAAAAAAWR!" ... and... Pilot B: "Well this sucks.. no wait, I just have to re-do my fits a bit... hmm I seem to have a lot more strategy options... this patch isn't so bad after all." You forget: Pilot C: Hey, I use lasers! That's me. But I think that this nerf was very bad for the game.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Vikarion I suspect that you haven't tried hitting cruisers with heavy missiles then? Or considered the effect that negatives to web and MWD will have on the Thorax and Megathron, to say nothing of the Deimos. I fly Amarr, and have for almost a year. I'm not hurting. I'm just worried about the direction of the game. Well i fly Gallente and i would like you to enlighten me on what will happen to Thorax Megathron and Deimos with the Web changes and the MWD. Please do enlighten the masses. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Vikarion Caldari White Rose Society	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:17:00 - [28] Edited by: Vikarion on 14/11/2008 08:17:41 Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Well i fly Gallente and i would like you to enlighten me on what will happen to Thorax Megathron and Deimos with the Web changes and the MWD. Please do enlighten the masses. Simple. The nerf to webs comes out to about a 400% decrease in close-range gun tracking. (Check the Ships forum for some threads discussing this.) In addition, the nerf to MWD speeds means that the favored tactic of Gallente blaster boats - i.e., rush in and kill or die - is much less viable, especially when you consider the effect of 7.5 km scramblers. Thus, Gallente got majorly nerfed. I suppose they can still use railguns.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems	Posted - 2008.11.14 08:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Vikarion Edited by: Vikarion on 14/11/2008 08:17:41 Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Well i fly Gallente and i would like you to enlighten me on what will happen to Thorax Megathron and Deimos with the Web changes and the MWD. Please do enlighten the masses. Simple. The nerf to webs comes out to about a 400% decrease in close-range gun tracking. (Check the Ships forum for some threads discussing this.) In addition, the nerf to MWD speeds means that the favored tactic of Gallente blaster boats - i.e., rush in and kill or die - is much less viable, especially when you consider the effect of 7.5 km scramblers. Thus, Gallente got majorly nerfed. I suppose they can still use railguns. First the problem with the webs can be solved if one chooses to work in a group than alone. Also this made AFs a lot more viable for solo hunt, enyo has a tracking bonus and if you want to use a cruiser and above well you have to use your head and do some planning on what you want to achieve, than using a cookie cutter setup that was handed to you. There are ways to counter this. Secondly there was a speed decrease across the board for all, not for Gallente specifically. Which means that everyone is affected about the same. If you are warping with a blaster boat 20Km away from your target, then it's you who is doing it wrong. The use of MWD was a risk even before the patch due to signature increase and the capacitor use. The warp scramblers can easily be fitted on blaster boats too, so there goes and the opponents MWD. Overreacting was never a good choice. Bellum did have some valid points but then again adaptation is the key. We will adapt and except from a few threads i haven't encountered the panic that Caldari are spewing all over the forums. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Allen Ramses Caldari Typo Corp	Posted - 2008.11.14 09:13:00 - [30] /me snickers at the people who think a 30% nerf to webs equates to a 400% nerf to tracking . ____________________ Pimped out Raven to run level 4 missions quickly: 210 Mil ISK. Realizing your 120 Mil ISK Drake gets the job done faster: Priceless. Made a reality by speed and missile nerf.



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