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Elhina Novae Sky's Edge	Posted - 2008.11.15 13:29:00 - [31] Originally by: Gilgamoth If CCP really didn't want you to have multiple accounts, why do they keep offering power of two? I'd say go back to WoW, but Blizzard are no better. There was a recent article of one guy who has 38 WOW accounts and who raids solo. Regards, Gil Word ------------ Originally by: Boz Well Originally by: SurrenderMonkey ... There's an Amarr problem? Nothing that can't be solved by more Minmatar nerfs.
Warrio Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.15 15:16:00 - [32] Originally by: Lord Fitz synergy ..and so it came to pass that a secret guarded by the few suddenly bust to the public consciousness. sXe
Satrani Destiva Just Another Indy Corp Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2008.11.15 15:31:00 - [33] Originally by: Diziet Coderusa Argument: I run 6 hulks and a hauler to make ISK mining. Counter-argument: Dude - ffs. You want money THAT bad, sell the 6 extra GTCs you're using for ISK. It'll be more, quicker and you won't have to spend all that time mining with your 7 accounts, which given the argument for multi-mining always seems to be "mining is boring" must be Dull^6, surely? What GTCs? I pay for all of my accounts with isk. Haven't paid real money since I became successful, and that's by running 3 miners and doing missions amongst other stuff. If you were making so little from mining that you still had to pay real money to play then there is something wrong with your mining lasers. Take them back and get new ones. Mining is profitable, end of story. It might not be as profitable as running level 4s but I can't relax and read a book while I'm running level 4s I have to be alert and constantly looking at the screen but if I want to relax while still making good money I can set my ship up at an ice/ore belt grab a cuppa and put my feet up. As for macros, well until we see some real progress in the detection of these bots there will be little that will change. -
gallminin Gallente Silver Lining Corp The Black Omega syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.15 22:36:00 - [34] Originally by: Vietone Your definition of macro mining needs to be cleared. A person using 5-6 accounts on the same computer is more than likely not macromining unless they themselves have written some complex program that can coordinate it all. Macromining is a player using a program to automatically mine. I think your mistaking that for a player who uses multiple accounts to make mining more time efficient. THANK YOU!! someone with the knowledge!
gallminin Gallente Silver Lining Corp The Black Omega syndicate	Posted - 2008.11.15 22:37:00 - [35] Originally by: Vietone Your definition of macro mining needs to be cleared. A person using 5-6 accounts on the same computer is more than likely not macromining unless they themselves have written some complex program that can coordinate it all. Macromining is a player using a program to automatically mine. I think your mistaking that for a player who uses multiple accounts to make mining more time efficient. THANK YOU!! someone with the knowledge!
CandyFalcon Caldari 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2008.11.15 22:37:00 - [36] Personally I think that if you pay the money for the account, whether in ISK or $ that you have the write to play on it. That being said, If I'm playing on multiple accounts, I'm taking an added deduction in my pay to play on more then one account, and therefore I should reap the benefits of doing so. I'm brand new to the game, but I've ran multiple accounts on other MMO's, whether it be from two computers or the same one (since I dual screen). I'm running two accounts right now - one hauler, one miner and seems to be working just fine and I don't consider it cheating in anyway, just taking advantage of the resources given to me.
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.16 07:35:00 - [37] i run three accounts simultaneousely. for many purposes. I mine, I mission, I've dual cliented in PvP. I also often have a trade alt fly here or there. While my main is roaming 0.0 and one of my alts is managing some research or manufacturing jobs. I'm a manufacturer, Pvper, Miner, Reasearcher, Carebear, Pirate, Missioner, Explorer, and just about all the other professions in eve. I spent the years setting up all of my accounts to be proficient at almost everything. I mine with multiple accounts because I build things. I play by the OP's rules and I lose a competitive edge becuase I can't amass the minerals for my projects fast enough. I'm also in a corp with many other pilots that mine with multiple accounts. Why? You ask... Because guess what, there is a real world out there. I have a RL, believe it or not. And spending three times as long to get the minerals i need is just plain stupid. I have corp members that help me. But sometimes I need to move a dread/carrier at 2am PST, not a lot of people from New York, Scotland or etc are online then, because they have real lives too. And dont give me that crap about recruiting more people so people are always online. I like the guys in my corp, they like being in my corp and there's a reason the majority of eve is not in my corp. We like out group the way it is. On Macromining: ALL OF YOU DIE! On Multi Account Mining: Managing multiple accounts is a lot of work. So dont give me that crap about it not being fair. If you have 6 hulks, 1 orca and 2 haulers, ur managing 18 Mining Lasers, and running ore from 6 accounts then into the cargobays of 2 haulers, Micromanaging that is overkill in my opinion, but if someone is that damn Hardcore... They deserve the higher mineral efficiency. Besides there are a lot of things in eve. And if you say "I just like to mine" you my friend are an idiot. I dont believe that anyone only wants to do one thing everytime they log into eve. I dont mine everyday, or mission, or pvp, or any of one thing. I often do them all or a few different ones. So getting people in your corp to mine with you becuase ur in the mood to isn't usually going to happen. When I start mining, the guys may come and help out, but the majority of the time they are off doing their own things, playing the game how they want to. Makes sense to me. Quit *****ing and GTFO.
IxenBlaze Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.17 00:52:00 - [38] I dont really have much of a problem with mining on 1 account, even if its in lowsec space less traveled. I just switch my attention every now and then. Also i dont really see how people manage 6 or 7 accounts all at once but ill leave that to those who can XD. I think this thread is one of the stupid complaints that alot of people make in this game, how other people play the game. I havnt seen people care so much about how others play this game legally before Oo.
Ancy Denaries Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.11.17 07:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Brenner Abes Edited by: Brenner Abes on 14/11/2008 13:57:25 Join the in-game channel "macrointel" and make macro players ragequit. EDIT: Also, read this thread /me points to above mentioned thread. That will change mining. Happy now? Even macroers will be ****ed off beyond reason since it will be incredibly hard to script. Still not happy? Then emoquit already
Tisha Salona	Posted - 2008.11.17 12:02:00 - [40] Originally by: ingenting Edited by: ingenting on 14/11/2008 15:36:21 Originally by: The Vixen CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp EXCUSE me? No. Im sorry but multi account ownership is such a large part of eve that removing such a feature would cuase it to collapse. The many many players that do own multiple accounts would quit, and to be honest there is no way in hell CCP would want to lose multi-subscribers. Im sorry but that is really the worst idea I have ever heard. And if your new to eve I aplogize And just forget what i just said
Cheru'bael Amarr Ordo Ministorum	Posted - 2008.11.17 12:21:00 - [41] Originally by: McFly i run three accounts simultaneousely. for many purposes. I mine, I mission, I've dual cliented in PvP. I also often have a trade alt fly here or there. While my main is roaming 0.0 and one of my alts is managing some research or manufacturing jobs. I'm a manufacturer, Pvper, Miner, Reasearcher, Carebear, Pirate, Missioner, Explorer, and just about all the other professions in eve. I spent the years setting up all of my accounts to be proficient at almost everything. I mine with multiple accounts because I build things. I play by the OP's rules and I lose a competitive edge becuase I can't amass the minerals for my projects fast enough. I'm also in a corp with many other pilots that mine with multiple accounts. Why? You ask... Because guess what, there is a real world out there. I have a RL, believe it or not. And spending three times as long to get the minerals i need is just plain stupid. I have corp members that help me. But sometimes I need to move a dread/carrier at 2am PST, not a lot of people from New York, Scotland or etc are online then, because they have real lives too. And dont give me that crap about recruiting more people so people are always online. I like the guys in my corp, they like being in my corp and there's a reason the majority of eve is not in my corp. We like out group the way it is. On Macromining: ALL OF YOU DIE! On Multi Account Mining: Managing multiple accounts is a lot of work. So dont give me that crap about it not being fair. If you have 6 hulks, 1 orca and 2 haulers, ur managing 18 Mining Lasers, and running ore from 6 accounts then into the cargobays of 2 haulers, Micromanaging that is overkill in my opinion, but if someone is that damn Hardcore... They deserve the higher mineral efficiency. Besides there are a lot of things in eve. And if you say "I just like to mine" you my friend are an idiot. I dont believe that anyone only wants to do one thing everytime they log into eve. I dont mine everyday, or mission, or pvp, or any of one thing. I often do them all or a few different ones. So getting people in your corp to mine with you becuase ur in the mood to isn't usually going to happen. When I start mining, the guys may come and help out, but the majority of the time they are off doing their own things, playing the game how they want to. Makes sense to me. Quit *****ing and GTFO. likewise, i run three accounts simultaneously - for the exact reason McFly pointed out in his second to last paragraph. This might be a MMOG and i do dearly love player corporations, except i cannot 'depend' on someone else dropping whatever they're doing to help me do something I'M doing. especially if that involves escorting miners. do you know how BORING it is to play the life of a hauler for a miner? or an escort for such? With these changes for mining in the pipe brings some hope to me that SOMEDAY i'll be inundated with people wanting to escort my mining vessel to the point i might actually consider training mining drones V instead of Combat drone V. (which i do myself because i'd hate to ask someone to do something onerous) hell, and being a hauler for a miner is not only frustrating but unrewarding. hopefully the orca will spice up the mining support group by reducing the load on haulers, which would actually make the 'indy' business a much more satisfying career than the mind numbing one it is now. (which i do myself because i'd hate to ask someone to do something onerous) And since my foreman skill module is null and void while warping (and my foreman bonus entirely nullified if i dock/leave system) that means i'm tying down someone in a battlecruiser who isn't contributing anything but a glorified honour tanker to the group. (which i do myself because i'd hate to ask someone to do something onerous) let's not even forget about the advantage to owning a scout while transiting low sec. That alone has saved me untold fortunes.
McFly C0LDFIRE RUDE Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.17 13:14:00 - [42] o/\o Cheru'bael
Vigilant Gallente Vigilant's Vigilante's	Posted - 2008.11.17 14:51:00 - [43] STUPID PEOEPLE DO NOT WANT ! A Macro miner is person that uses many accounts for real life financial gain and uses a program called "a macro" to do his work. SHOCKING A PROGRAM CALLED A MACRO FOR MACRO MINERS. Again see my first statement, because if can't tell the diffrence, then "stuff can I haz ?"
Righteous Deeds Diverse Endeavors	Posted - 2008.11.17 14:58:00 - [44] I do not mine, and could not care less about macro-miners. I do my own thing, mind my own business, and don't care much what you're doing unless that something happens to be cooking my boat. That is all.
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.11.18 00:12:00 - [45] I usually run level 4 missions with three or more friends. I tank, they spank, the missions are completed much faster and I get to my storyline missions quicker. One day, when both my alt and I are flying marauders, I'll have two level 4 missions going simultaneously. Until then AFK mining is the best ISK income per second spent actually at the keyboard. I don't want mining to be more interesting. I don't want mining to require more interaction with the game. I really like mining the way it is right now, thank you very much.
The Vixen Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.11.18 04:12:00 - [46] Edited by: The Vixen on 18/11/2008 04:12:39 Originally by: Tisha Salona Im sorry but multi account ownership is such a large part of eve that removing such a feature would cuase it to collapse. The many many players that do own multiple accounts would quit, and to be honest there is no way in hell CCP would want to lose multi-subscribers. Good. Originally by: Heyte Edited by: Heyte on 14/11/2008 22:27:40 Quote: CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp. They already do, as far as I know. Did you just buy that character from selling GTCs? Originally by: Gilgamoth There was a recent article of one guy who has 38 WOW accounts and who raids solo. Regards, Gil Where did you read this? http://www.theonion.com/content/privacy Originally by: Diziet Coderusa Argument: stopping multiaccounting would hurt CCP's income. Counter-argument: if that much of EVE's live and actively subscribed player is base is actually alts, that's really kind of sad. Everytime someone posts up a 'what do I do in EVE?' or "I'm new where do I go from here?" question, most of the regular forum posters immediately chime in with stuff about how EVE is a multiplayer game, and you should join a corp and make friends...when apparently what this really translates to is: you should create a corp and _make_ friends by creating additional accounts to play with. The second M now stands for Multi-accounting, not multi-player. Argument: I can't rely/get/find other people to do what I want when I want. Counter-argument: So, is it really that important that you have to pay more money to do it? As for I can't ask someone I know to cyno/scout/haul for me - what happened to mutual co-operation? If your fellow corp members want the benefits of having your capitals then they should be prepared to lend a hand when asked, really. Argument: I run 6 hulks and a hauler to make ISK mining. Counter-argument: Dude - ffs. You want money THAT bad, sell the 6 extra GTCs you're using for ISK. It'll be more, quicker and you won't have to spend all that time mining with your 7 accounts, which given the argument for multi-mining always seems to be "mining is boring" must be Dull^6, surely? Essentially, most of the arguments in favour of multi-accounting and multi-boxing seem to revolve around player laziness and a desire for (insert X objective here) NOW! not next month. And yes, CCP probably are cackling all the way to the bank. At least until they get there and remember it's a bank in Iceland.... I don't have an issue with multi-accounting, per se, but I won't do it; same as I won't sell GTCs for ISK - because it strikes me as a lazier way to play. And if you absolutely have to sell GTCs to fund your PVP or anything...then something somewhere needs adjusting. You really shouldn't _have_ to pay extra real money to play successfully. I really wish CCP would let you train your 2 other characters simultaneously, even if you can't log them in at the same time. Because multi-accounting should be to allow you try out other races and other careers, not to replace other players. You may now...flame. This.
The Vixen Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.11.18 04:31:00 - [47] Edited by: The Vixen on 18/11/2008 04:32:11 edit for grammar. Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Originally by: The Vixen CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp. This would also fix falcon alt's, covops alts and other craptastic stuff like this. And the must stupid idea of 2008 -award winner has been found! Congs! Just because you employ yourself 6^+, scout and jam for yourself doesn't mean the game should be built upon it/endorse it. TBH, I could give a rats ass whether or not CCP would lose money. I would rather play with 7k players on one account, than 34k people running multiple accounts. All-in-all, its still one person. Someone shouldn't have an edge just because they feel like dumping money into subscriptions and/or have invested enough time into spending their time farming money to support their farmers.
Marleau LeRoi Caldari Praetorian Freespace	Posted - 2008.11.18 04:54:00 - [48] Originally by: The Vixen Edited by: The Vixen on 18/11/2008 04:32:11 edit for grammar. Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Originally by: The Vixen CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp. This would also fix falcon alt's, covops alts and other craptastic stuff like this. And the must stupid idea of 2008 -award winner has been found! Congs! Just because you employ yourself 6^+, scout and jam for yourself doesn't mean the game should be built upon it/endorse it. TBH, I could give a rats ass whether or not CCP would lose money. I would rather play with 7k players on one account, than 34k people running multiple accounts. All-in-all, its still one person. Someone shouldn't have an edge just because they feel like dumping money into subscriptions and/or have invested enough time into spending their time farming money to support their farmers. Actually, they should. That's how the world works. If someone has the money/time to spend on internet spaceships, so be it.
The Vixen Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.11.18 06:02:00 - [49] Edited by: The Vixen on 18/11/2008 06:02:18 Originally by: Marleau LeRoi Originally by: The Vixen Edited by: The Vixen on 18/11/2008 04:32:11 edit for grammar. Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Originally by: The Vixen CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp. This would also fix falcon alt's, covops alts and other craptastic stuff like this. And the must stupid idea of 2008 -award winner has been found! Congs! Just because you employ yourself 6^+, scout and jam for yourself doesn't mean the game should be built upon it/endorse it. TBH, I could give a rats ass whether or not CCP would lose money. I would rather play with 7k players on one account, than 34k people running multiple accounts. All-in-all, its still one person. Someone shouldn't have an edge just because they feel like dumping money into subscriptions and/or have invested enough time into spending their time farming money to support their farmers. Actually, they should. That's how the world works. If someone has the money/time to spend on internet spaceships, so be it. IF someone has the time/money to build a reich to dominate and exterminate an entire race of people, they should do it - Hilter IF someone has the time/money to dip his fingers into large corporations that have a platform for rebuilding nations and exploiting other countries oils... should do it.. because they can.. - Bush Regime Good argument. Just because 'someone' can doesn't mean it should be allowed or at least it should be moderated in some way.
Tisha Salona	Posted - 2008.11.18 08:20:00 - [50] Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Originally by: The Vixen CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp. Actually, they should. That's how the world works. If someone has the money/time to spend on internet spaceships, so be it. IF someone has the time/money to build a reich to dominate and exterminate an entire race of people, they should do it - Hilter IF someone has the time/money to dip his fingers into large corporations that have a platform for rebuilding nations and exploiting other countries oils... should do it.. because they can.. - Bush Regime Good argument. Just because 'someone' can doesn't mean it should be allowed or at least it should be moderated in some way. First off Not a good arguement , second how the hell did you throw Bush and ****** into the mix? Really? Anyways Macro miners are a pest and hopefully with the changes CCP "will be" adding to Mining it will make Script mining impossible or very difficult. BUT! owning multiple accounts and having them active at one, will NEVEr EVER to removed as a feature of Eve. My advice is to do your research before joining a online game, to see if this feature that you do not agree with exist ingame, before you pay and invest time into it. Get over it really, either you are not smart enough to figure out that it won't dissapear , or your just here to whine about it becusae of a personal grudge. That goes to the Orginal poster of this Topic who has stayed very silent. Its part of the Game. Safe flying
Creepin	Posted - 2008.11.18 11:56:00 - [51] Originally by: The Vixen Someone shouldn't have an edge just because they feel like dumping money into subscriptions and/or have invested enough time into spending their time farming money to support their farmers. Absolutely hilarious! Someone definitely shouldn't have an edge for investing more of his time and efforts into game than others! Genious! Where should I sign?
MercenaryMuffin	Posted - 2008.11.18 13:25:00 - [52] Quote: IF someone has the time/money to build a reich to dominate and exterminate an entire race of people, they should do it - Hilter Oh. My. God. Did you...did you just compare owning multiple Eve accounts to a man who is responsible for the slaughter of 12 million people?! WHAT THE FCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Wow. I really don't know what to say. That may be the most incredibly *****ed thing I have ever read. Ever.
MercenaryMuffin	Posted - 2008.11.18 13:27:00 - [53] Quote: IF someone has the time/money to dip his fingers into large corporations that have a platform for rebuilding nations and exploiting other countries oils... should do it.. because they can.. - Bush Regime And still the idiocy continues! God, another one of those "LOLZ WAR 4 OIL LOLOLOLOL" people. Despite the fact that we see around, oh, NOTHING in the way of oil revenue from Iraq. Close your account and jump off a cliff. Thanks.
Sexy Shopper	Posted - 2008.11.18 15:10:00 - [54] Originally by: MercenaryMuffin Quote: IF someone has the time/money to dip his fingers into large corporations that have a platform for rebuilding nations and exploiting other countries oils... should do it.. because they can.. - Bush Regime And still the idiocy continues! God, another one of those "LOLZ WAR 4 OIL LOLOLOLOL" people. Despite the fact that we see around, oh, NOTHING in the way of oil revenue from Iraq. Close your account and jump off a cliff. Thanks. How much are you paying for gas right now?
MercenaryMuffin	Posted - 2008.11.18 15:43:00 - [55] Allow me to educate you a bit. Hedge funds (private investment funds open to a limited range of investors) have been dumping their commodities for months now in the face of redemption, which have helped lower oil and gas prices along with lowered demand worldwide... ... just don't get used to it. Demand will be back up soon, along with oil companies cutting production. Bush has nothing to do with gas prices going up or down. And no conspiracy theory is going to change that. Lrn2research.
IxenBlaze Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.11.18 16:37:00 - [56] wow i think this thread has been oficially derailed.
MercenaryMuffin	Posted - 2008.11.18 17:41:00 - [57] Agreed.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.11.18 18:03:00 - [58] Originally by: Lord Fitz Alot of people I know use 2+ machines + synergy for their falcon alts etc. 1) Hooray Synergy 2) Trading, Cyno's, Freighter Webbing are just a few of the things that take multiple accounts that you would be hard pressed to convince other people to do for you. Speaking as a retired CEO, these are some things that might work at first, but will quickly result in bored / disgruntled members. "Hey guys, can someone sit in Jita and get me prices for these 180 items that I need to pricecheck?" "Hey guys, I need someone to come along and web my freighter 34 jumps, anyone mind?" "Hey guys, I need to move my carrier, jump freighter, dread across 4 regions - anyone mind getting their ships through hostile territory and possibly wasting several hours so I can save myself some time?" _______________ Pwett Founder <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.19 01:35:00 - [59] Edited by: Darkeen on 19/11/2008 01:35:50 If you remember the Power of Two offer, CP Actually actively encouraged people to get a second or third account to mine and haul at the same time. It was part of their campaign, and now you are complaining to CCP because people did what they wanted? EPIC FAIL OP! Regards, Jason Brisbane
The Vixen Coalition of Nations	Posted - 2008.11.19 04:03:00 - [60] Originally by: Darkeen Edited by: Darkeen on 19/11/2008 01:35:50 If you remember the Power of Two offer, CP Actually actively encouraged people to get a second or third account to mine and haul at the same time. It was part of their campaign, and now you are complaining to CCP because people did what they wanted? EPIC FAIL OP! There is a gap in your logic and then in your intended 'dis' to the OP. OP wasn't agreeing with anything CCP had done. OP was disagreeing (indirectly) with the Power of Two offer and you're a moron, Darkeen.

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