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Chrono Homega
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:50:00 -
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I am tired of seeing players with 5 or 6 accounts mining at the same time. You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
This game need changes in mining fast. |
Brenner Abes
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Posted - 2008.11.14 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Brenner Abes on 14/11/2008 13:57:25
Join the in-game channel "macrointel" and make macro players ragequit.
EDIT: Also, read this thread |
Chrono Homega
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.14 14:30:00 -
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Problem -are not- macrominers.
Problem is that CCP allow it |
The Vixen
Coalition of Nations
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Chrono Homega
I am tired of seeing players with 5 or 6 accounts mining at the same time. You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
This game need changes in mining fast.
You don't NEED 5 or 6 accounts to mine, but if you have 5 or 6 accounts all mining at the same time, then that's 5 or 6 times the amount of ore yield.
CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp.
This would also fix falcon alt's, covops alts and other craptastic stuff like this. |
ingenting
20th Legion
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: ingenting on 14/11/2008 15:36:21
Originally by: The Vixen
CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp
EXCUSE me? No.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Chrono Homega
I am tired of seeing players with 5 or 6 accounts mining at the same time. You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
This game need changes in mining fast.
Its not really worth your time if you only mine with one account.
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Jonna Andromedae
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Chrono Homega
I am tired of seeing players with 5 or 6 accounts mining at the same time. You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
This game need changes in mining fast.
Are you jealous?
Anyway, if I would start mining again I would get that 4 Hulks, Orca and hauler. |
Jonna Andromedae
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Posted - 2008.11.14 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Vixen
CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp.
This would also fix falcon alt's, covops alts and other craptastic stuff like this.
And the must stupid idea of 2008 -award winner has been found! Congs!  |
RedLion
Caldari
State Constructions
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:02:00 -
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Booo fricking hooo! A player can run 5-6 accounts, he can even afk mine. And he does certainly not have to prove towards people like you that he is not a macroer.
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gallminin
Gallente
Silver Lining Corp
The Black Omega syndicate
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Chrono Homega
I am tired of seeing players with 5 or 6 accounts mining at the same time. You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
This game need changes in mining fast.
i dont know why its looked apon as bad.. so what.. its just their way of mining and ccp isnt stoping it because well frankly thats 4 times the money from one person! duh
why stop the money train? if i could id get 3 more accounts and go mine ice.. :] and make 100 mil an hour!...oh and no ones stoping you from running a lvl 4 with 4 accounts.
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Lord Windu
Imperiosus Tutela
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Posted - 2008.11.14 16:49:00 -
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There is a difference between a macro miner and someone who does mining with multiple accounts. There is nothing wrong with someone mining with multiple accounts and look at it this way, if they couldnt't then that would be alot less income for CCP, meaning a crappier game for everyone long term as less money is spent.
Whoever said about falcon alts, cov ops alts and other crap like that, STFU, dont like other people using falcon alts then get your own to counter it, simple.
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Nathan Calderi
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chrono Homega
I am tired of seeing players with 5 or 6 accounts mining at the same time. You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
This game need changes in mining fast.
Help me understand what's driving this complaint. Are you competing for ore in the belts?
If so, find another belt.
Are these mining groups cleaning out belts in 1.0 space?
If so, that's pretty puny of them, and shows a lack of fairness in judgement; not a problem with game construct.
This is the same complaint I used to hear in other MMORPG's. Only with them, the complaints were from group members when the healer and tank both died because the user boxing them had a computer crash, resulting in a wipe. Or in a similar situation, when the group activity was complete, a single human player got the lion's share of the split because he/she was boxing several of the group's characters.
With mining, neither one of these is the case; it can be social or nonsocial with little impact either way. Mining with boxed characters does little to actually hurt the game. In fact, it may keep the game running and balanced in more ways than we understand.
Minerals are needed for ships, modules, and ammo. Modules and ammo drop from missions and ratting. They can be used or reprocessed. The minerals for ship building can be gotten by mining, or reprocessing. Some even buy ships simply to reprocess and place the minerals on the market. A large number of players that buy ships actually fly them or hangar them. The more people that keep ships, the less minerals on the market from reprocessing, and the more mining is needed. Additionally, the less minerals on the market, the higher their prices, and those of the ships they produce. At least that's what I've observed in my short 2 or 3 month playtime in Eve.
If you wanna pay more for the stuff you use, then pursue your complaint. I'll keep boxing a miner and hauler combo while you do.
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quickshot89
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.14 18:48:00 -
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thing is, they might just be 2 guys AFK'n
its the RMT that is the problem on eve and macro miners
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Vietone
Gallente
Mercury Industries
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:42:00 -
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Your definition of macro mining needs to be cleared.
A person using 5-6 accounts on the same computer is more than likely not macromining unless they themselves have written some complex program that can coordinate it all.
Macromining is a player using a program to automatically mine.
I think your mistaking that for a player who uses multiple accounts to make mining more time efficient. |
Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.11.14 21:52:00 -
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Problem being there is fundamentally no difference between running 6 accounts simultaneously and just getting six computers and if necessary, six friends to run the accounts during the day with a lure of beer, tunes, movies and times thanks to the largely AFK nature of mining,,, and six people around the world doing a mining op.
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Enor Sabien
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:03:00 -
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This thread should be locked for stupid content.
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Heyte
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Posted - 2008.11.14 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Heyte on 14/11/2008 22:27:40
Quote:
CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp.
They already do, as far as I know.
Originally by: Enor Sabien
This thread should be locked for stupid content.
Seconded.
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Togae Alus
The Leathernecks
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Posted - 2008.11.14 23:56:00 -
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A lot of people complain because we the carebears use several accounta at once, well you really should not as if we do not use this accounts when you go to buy the next ship you need you will be crying in another forum that m inning is dead so unles you wanna pay 300 mill for a BS do not bother miners, now stupid miners you can go and kill to vent your frustration
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Sir Substance
Minmatar
MagiTech Alliance Inc.
MagiTech Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.15 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Chrono Homega
I am tired of seeing players with 5 or 6 accounts mining at the same time. You don't need 5 or 6 accounts for running level 4 missions. Why miners do?
This game need changes in mining fast.
macro-mining =/= lots of accounts. marcomining is using a macro script to automate the process, then leave it going for like 24 hours at a time. |
Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2008.11.15 00:31:00 -
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For those that are a bit short on reading comprehension skills (AKA: everyone above me in this thread - granted the OP's choice of thread title didn't help), the OP is pointing out that to make the same high-sec income from mining as you can get from missions, you need 5-6 accounts. 1 account mining in high-sec is an exercise in futility - and before anyone chimes in with their 60 I.Q. wisdom - even if you mine with others the income per player is still pathetic.
To be honest, I couldn't give a toss about the problem, just pointing out that you clowns need to learn how to read before responding with your intellectually-challenged quips. |
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Karanth
Gallente
Independent Fleet
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Posted - 2008.11.15 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Heyte
Edited by: Heyte on 14/11/2008 22:27:40
Quote:
CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp.
They already do, as far as I know.
You don't know. Multiple logins on same account, nope> Multiple logins on same comp from different accounts, yep.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.11.15 04:11:00 -
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Oh yeah - that sounds like a brilliant business plan for a company selling game accounts. Stop people from using more than one at a time. All those people with more than one account go out and buy multiple computers, they definitely won't just cancel 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 of their accounts.
Great idea! CCP will be implementing this idea really quick - it will save them having all that pesky revenue lying around for things like staff wages.
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.11.15 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: The Vixen
CCP needs to prevent multiple logins on the same comp.
This would also fix falcon alt's, covops alts and other craptastic stuff like this.
Alot of people I know use 2+ machines + synergy for their falcon alts etc.
CCP do supposedly prevent any real account from logging in at the same time as a trial account. But one suspects their revenue would dive if they actually prevented logging in twice on the same machine. Because it's just not used for miners / PvPers. A lot of people use their other accounts for trade or being in two places at once (ie, to do something else while waiting for a fleet to form etc).
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Polly Prissypantz
Dingleberry Appreciation Society
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Posted - 2008.11.15 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Alot of people I know use 2+ machines + synergy for their falcon alts etc.
Holy crap. I might have to hand in my nerd license. I'd never heard of Synergy until this post. Looks like a handy tool. I shall now go have a nerdgasm testing it out. |
Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.11.15 05:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
A lot of people use their other accounts for trade or being in two places at once (ie, to do something else while waiting for a fleet to form etc).
Cyno,
I can't ask someone to be my b*tch every time I need to move my capitals around. Its just not nice. |
Satrani Destiva
Just Another Indy Corp
Delinquent Habits
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:27:00 -
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I bow down to Lord Fitz as he is all knowing and omnipotent. Seriously though that synergy thing looks brilliant.
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Diziet Coderusa
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Posted - 2008.11.15 11:52:00 -
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Argument: stopping multiaccounting would hurt CCP's income.
Counter-argument: if that much of EVE's live and actively subscribed player is base is actually alts, that's really kind of sad. Everytime someone posts up a 'what do I do in EVE?' or "I'm new where do I go from here?" question, most of the regular forum posters immediately chime in with stuff about how EVE is a multiplayer game, and you should join a corp and make friends...when apparently what this really translates to is: you should create a corp and _make_ friends by creating additional accounts to play with. The second M now stands for Multi-accounting, not multi-player.
Argument: I can't rely/get/find other people to do what I want when I want.
Counter-argument: So, is it really that important that you have to pay more money to do it? As for I can't ask someone I know to cyno/scout/haul for me - what happened to mutual co-operation? If your fellow corp members want the benefits of having your capitals then they should be prepared to lend a hand when asked, really.
Argument: I run 6 hulks and a hauler to make ISK mining.
Counter-argument: Dude - ffs. You want money THAT bad, sell the 6 extra GTCs you're using for ISK. It'll be more, quicker and you won't have to spend all that time mining with your 7 accounts, which given the argument for multi-mining always seems to be "mining is boring" must be Dull^6, surely?
Essentially, most of the arguments in favour of multi-accounting and multi-boxing seem to revolve around player laziness and a desire for (insert X objective here) NOW! not next month. And yes, CCP probably are cackling all the way to the bank. At least until they get there and remember it's a bank in Iceland.... 
I don't have an issue with multi-accounting, per se, but I won't do it; same as I won't sell GTCs for ISK - because it strikes me as a lazier way to play. And if you absolutely have to sell GTCs to fund your PVP or anything...then something somewhere needs adjusting. You really shouldn't _have_ to pay extra real money to play successfully. I really wish CCP would let you train your 2 other characters simultaneously, even if you can't log them in at the same time. Because multi-accounting should be to allow you try out other races and other careers, not to replace other players.
You may now...flame. |
Elhina Novae
Sky's Edge
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Elhina Novae on 15/11/2008 12:12:52
Come on. People mining with 6 accounts pays for it right? Either with real life cash or ISK.
If you are so damn jealous get yourself another account or 2, or stop whining
EDIT: I am 100% against macrominers, someone using a program to automatically play the game. But if the person is micromanaging 6 accounts I see no problem, whatsoever in doing so. |
Diziet Coderusa
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Posted - 2008.11.15 12:53:00 -
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Jealous of spending 240$ every two months? erm...no.
Why is it every time anyone so much as suggests that multi-accounting is in any way 'bad' the first thing flung at them is the old jealousy nonsense. No, I'm not jealous of you being so obsessed about 'winning' in a game with no fixed goals and no levels you feel a need to pay more money to do so... 
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Gilgamoth
Eldritch Storm
The Matari Consortium
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Posted - 2008.11.15 13:10:00 -
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If CCP really didn't want you to have multiple accounts, why do they keep offering power of two?
I'd say go back to WoW, but Blizzard are no better. There was a recent article of one guy who has 38 WOW accounts and who raids solo.
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