Amarr are fine. Caldari could use more mid slots.

All I read was "I want to mix weapons on my ships."

This.

Properly done it could shift Amarr firmly into the Active Repair category of ships as well, and gives them obvious advantages in using Neuts.

Other ships not being able to use lasers in most cases is intentional, and should remain so.

is there a new dev blog or are you talking about the one from a few weeks ago?

Ahh you made me believe there was a new dev blog I hadn't read yet.... Shame on you.

So to re word because it wasn't exactly clear... You want more bonuses besides cap efficiency?

so giving the caldari missile ships a bonus to missile damage and or rate of fire isnt a case of "you can use the weapons you already use?" i for one love the amarr cap reduction bonus for amarr ships. it's not "use the weapons you can already use" it's more along the lines of "use the guns designed for your ship more efficiently"

All right since you asked so nicely I will agree that you should have split weapon systems for Amar ships and granting a 5% rof to both your lasers and missiles. Thus giving you the two weapon bonuses you desire.

The cap reduction bonus is from a time when lasers were superior to other weapon system. That's a long time ago and they aren't anymore, the bonus needs to be reevaluated.

Are you really arguing that Amarr need a buff? If so, please kindly skill yourself.

While some amarr ships are great the way they are, others need to be looked into. OP isn't asking for a massive buff to all amarr ship, just that the cap reduction bonus be looked into.

Confirming hybrids need to be finished and the missile system requires some loving way before lasers.

I think you are missing the point that all races have some bonus to their ships designed to make fitting the intended weapons a feasible choice.

Damage, cap and whatever bonus is just another way to write "use these weapons on this ship".

The more I read your responses, the more I feel that you are talking about something you have no idea about. Scorch is an awesome part of lasers just as Barrage is an awesome part of autocannons. It is perfectly in line.

Just because a Hurricane appears to do more turret damage in EFT than a Harbinger doesn't mean it actually does more damage. With plain close range ammo (multifreq/emp), the Harbinger outdoes the Hurricane on the range of 4 km - 12 km, while having a tougher tank, and better drones. The Harbinger's optimal range is 7.5 km. With Scorch/Barrage, the Harbinger outdoes the Hurricane at all ranges over 5 km. Its optimal is 22.5 km. Such is the case with all laser boats compared to other turrets: when laser boats stick to their optimal range, regardless of the ammo in use, they will outdamage other weapon systems most of the time. The difficulty comes in not letting the enemy get at point blank and under your guns.

If the cap bonus were replaced with a tracking bonus (or other direct combat bonus), that would:

1. Make cap mods required on all laser ships that get into extended fights. Having to sacrifice a slot to make lasers work would cause even more whining than having to sacrifice a bonus to make them work does.
2. Turn lasers into a general purpose win-weapon. We don't need that.

Additionally, if point (a) were eliminated by making lasers more cap-friendly, every ship of other races that doesn't get a damage/tracking bonus to its own weapon system would default to lasers -- the way some of them default to autocannons now.

Each weapon system has one critical fault that makes them be un-optimal for use on just any ship. The specific race of ships works to remedy that:

• Autocannons have cripplingly low DPS, and Minmatar ships rectify that with damage bonuses.
• Artillery has very poor optimal range and tracking, and some Minmatar ships rectify that.
• Blasters have very poor range, and tracking for that range. Gallente ships give falloff or tracking bonuses to fix that.
• Railguns have mediocre range, and Caldari fix that with a spectacular range bonus (10%!).
• Lasers use all of the cap in existence, and Amarr fix that with cap usage bonus.

Just because a ship gets a damage bonus doesn't make it better, and just becuase it has a higher DPS number doesn't mean it actually does more damage. The sooner EFT warriors can get that through their thick skulls, the sooner we can have more glorious flashlights in space, and fewer autocannons everywhere.

You've never pre-planned or analyzed a fit for its advantages or disadvantages... so there's that cleared up. You are probably not qualified to talk about the relative balance of ships and their bonuses.



Okay, so just to your point, allow me to repeat myself:


Every weapon system has a disadvantage. Lasers' disadvantage is cap use. Amarr ships fix that.

Deal with it.

Those ships do not exist. Please stop pulling things out of your ass.

Actually, you need a deeper understanding of combat mechanics, situations, and all attributes of a weapon to say that it is "better", not just first grade math. Something you don't appear to have.



Okay, let's compare to a popular race that gets ~two bonuses~: Minmatar. Which commonly autocannon-fit ships have a damage bonus? Rifter, Thrasher, Stabber, Rupture, Bellicose, Cyclone, Hurricane, Tornado, Typhoon, Tempest, Maelstrom.

Oh, what's that? Looks like all Minmatar ships have a blanket bonus to low AC damage to make ACs workable! Funny, just like the cap bonus on Amarr ships! The other bonuses vary between tracking, falloff, or optimal range to give variety in roles.

Maybe that's a fluke. Let's check out the Caldari hybrid platforms! Which ones have an optimal range bonus? Merlin, Moa, Ferox, Rokh, so... all of them? Huh! It's almost as if Railguns are only good on Caldari ships and not the other races' ships because it is only on Caldari ships that they can take full advantage of their range.

What about these pesky laser ships? Which ones have a cap bonus? Punisher, Coercer, Omen, Maller, Prophecy, Harbinger, Oracle, Armageddon, Apocalypse. Seems reminiscent of the Minmatar line-up! What about that second bonus, does it provide variety too? Well, it varies between armor tank, damage, and optimal range, so it looks like it!

The only exception is the Abaddon, which, while it is a wonderful mainline ship with its armor tank and damage bonus, has well-known cap problems, and even at perfect skills firing 8 mega pulse lasers makes it dry out in less than 5 minutes.

The lesson of the day? A ship's role is not usually defined by both of its bonuses! One of the bonuses of T1 ships just makes the weapon system it's supposed to use viable, while the second defines the role of the ship. This is as true of Amarr as it is of other races. Working. As. Intended.

Most of those comments centered around the tiering of ships by design IIRC and the lack of any specific benefit with choices within a race and not the viability of one race in particular due to a specific bonus. You are applying some broad statements in ways they may not even have been intended.

And there are people who disagree. Caldari range and Gallente damage bonuses are designed around much the same principle of making their weapons useable in the face of other weapons systems with superior range to blasters(everything else) and superior DPS to rails(again, everything else). It's fundamentally no different.

Those things as they are represent the philosophy of lasers as I understand them:
Good damage
Great range for short range weapons
No ammo for T1, reduced consumption for T2/Faction
Greatest optimal which means better damage projection than weapons which rely on falloff for range
Best tracking at optimal, which means better damage application
Very cap hungry to balance this - Some hulls give a bonus to reduce this strain on the ships ability to leverage the other advantages

Something to keep in mind when talking about "Amarr" is that Amarr ships are completely ******* useless and ******.

But scorch is completely overpowered. It evens out to mediocrity.

Also, gotta laugh at people talking about Tachs. 2 Ships can use them effectively, one of them isn't even an amarr ship. The other has been in the game less than three months.

Right now Scorch is the crutch upon which almost all "mainline" Amarr ships use in PvP and PvE.