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Galactic Tycoon Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:04:00 - [1] I'm 99% sure when I first started playing EVE about 9 months ago, I got a message relating to my clone. I was approaching a number of skillpoints that was soon going to exceed my current clones skillpoint coverage. I swear I remember the message saying something similar to: Your clone is almost out of date you should renew it at the nearest clone facilities. Does anyone remember anything similar? I ask because I podded myself twice recently to quick travel. Then i check my inbox and it deduced 300k then 600k skillpoints from Gallente Cruise V. OMFG!!!! I now can't fly my deimos and it will require a further 23 days to train back to level 5. I'm completely shocked there's no warning about this or that it's been removed. With the risk of moaning approaching, there's so much in EVE to be thinking about than small stupid things like this. I just can't believe I wasn't warned. Why not a "warning, you're set to auto destruct and your current clone is out of date message". It's just what you'd expect isn't it? A safe guard to protect the player for being bloody furious. I'm so damn furious.
valeronx Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:09:00 - [2] Edited by: valeronx on 16/11/2008 02:10:54 Well, there probably was one during the tutorial. But now that your all on your own, it's one of those things you have to remember yourself. And get standings to set up a Jumpclone - they are your best friend. .
Galactic Tycoon Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:19:00 - [3] I guess I've learned the hard way. Just seems like a basic game design flaws. I have jump clones, just needed to clone jump earlier than 24 hours. What's up with limiting clone jumps too? And annoying messages such as, "I'm just getting my barings I think I can do that in about 20 seconds" lol wtf..? That's really enhancing my game experience. Genius whoever thought of that, genius. I'm going to be sick training this to level 5 again. CRY.
Durgoh	Posted - 2008.11.16 02:35:00 - [4] I do have some sympathy. The medical clone game mechanic doesn't make a lot of sense. I can't believe in a futuristic universe like Eve that the immortality of the pod pilot is only as immortal as their memory. Surely something like this should be offered as a service and part of that service should be to provide me with an appropriate clone. If I use a provider (today) of a backup service to backup my computer data, I don't want to be told that they need a larger hard drive. I just pay my monthly backup fee and the size of the backup media is the providers problem, not mine. And for something that grows in a predictable way (skill points), managing the nature of the clone should be straight forward. I think that this is something that could be improved.
Galactic Tycoon Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.11.16 03:02:00 - [5] Yeah you're right, it doesn't have a lot of logic to it. I've noticed a lot of people stress if you even slighty complain about a part of the game. But in reality...I would only moan because I want things to be better and to promote discussion about eve related features. Again, I haven't played WOW the dominant MMO game in this market, but I would doubt they have a an easy way to lose skill points like EVE does. Granted some of the fault lies with me for not thinking about it but it's fairly simple to avoid ticking a player off like this. Especially if I've gone and bought a clone covering 20m skillpoints when I have barely 12. In such a long time you can easily forget. I'd like to see caldari navy assembly plant 4-4 in jita have two exits as well. Idiots always park thier freighters right infront of the undocking bay and you get all these damn ships bumping into each other and screwing up thier warp. Back to flying BC for now.
Elex Akat Gallente Federal Defence Union	Posted - 2008.11.16 05:10:00 - [6] You being an idiot and not following the golden rule of "Always keep your clone up to date" doesn't make the game mechanics flawed, it makes you flawed.
Baka Lakadaka Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.11.16 11:14:00 - [7] Originally by: Galactic Tycoon ........ And annoying messages such as, "I'm just getting my barings I think I can do that in about 20 seconds" lol wtf..? That's really enhancing my game experience. Genius whoever thought of that, genius......... This is the session timer - it's designed to give people a fair chance when going through a gate/docking/undocking - sometimes lag causes you to take a little while load the screen, so you're invulnerable for 30 seconds or so. Makes sense when jumping or undocking. There are some cases though where I can't understand why it's applied - maybe it's a programming thing in those cases??
Ivan Ward	Posted - 2008.11.16 11:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Durgoh I do have some sympathy. The medical clone game mechanic doesn't make a lot of sense. I can't believe in a futuristic universe like Eve that the immortality of the pod pilot is only as immortal as their memory. Surely something like this should be offered as a service and part of that service should be to provide me with an appropriate clone. If I use a provider (today) of a backup service to backup my computer data, I don't want to be told that they need a larger hard drive. I just pay my monthly backup fee and the size of the backup media is the providers problem, not mine. And for something that grows in a predictable way (skill points), managing the nature of the clone should be straight forward. I think that this is something that could be improved. There is some explenation in the lore. Copied from http://www.eve-online.com/background/cloning/clon_02.asp "At the time of purchase, the customer undergoes a thorough examination and several tissue samples are taken. This is then used to construct a clone of the customer û a clone that receives the consciousness of the original at the moment of death, granting a new life." "Culturing a clone takes several months, but all clone stations store generic clones that are only put to use when a client buys it."
NightF0x Gallente Chicken Coup Raiders	Posted - 2008.11.16 12:10:00 - [9] Originally by: Elex Akat You being an idiot and not following the golden rule of "Always keep your clone up to date" doesn't make the game mechanics flawed, it makes you flawed. /thread too damn funny, yet truthful
Creche Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.16 14:10:00 - [10] Originally by: Galactic Tycoon I guess I've learned the hard way. Just seems like a basic game design flaws. I have jump clones, just needed to clone jump earlier than 24 hours. What's up with limiting clone jumps too? And annoying messages such as, "I'm just getting my barings I think I can do that in about 20 seconds" lol wtf..? That's really enhancing my game experience. Genius whoever thought of that, genius. I'm going to be sick training this to level 5 again. CRY. Ahahha smashed son.

Galactic Tycoon Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.11.16 14:23:00 - [11] Originally by: Elex Akat You being an idiot and not following the golden rule of "Always keep your clone up to date" doesn't make the game mechanics flawed, it makes you flawed. There's always someone with an attitude on here lol. There's nothing unreasonable about giving the player a warning, there isn't one. I guess Mr Perfect has never made a noob mistake, error and encountered anything annoying in the perfect game that is EVE right? It happens to everyone. Hypocrite.
Nexus Kinnon Armada.	Posted - 2008.11.16 15:19:00 - [12] I can't believe you've played long enough to be playing flying a HAC and still don't understand the medical clones game mechanic. What are you, stupid? A noob, I could understand it for, but come on.
Deverian Tarik Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.16 16:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Galactic Tycoon Why not a "warning, you're set to auto destruct and your current clone is out of date message". It's just what you'd expect isn't it? A safe guard to protect the player for being bloody furious. I'm so damn furious. There is no safeguard for human stupidity. You didn't check your clone before doing self-destructing, therefore it's your fault.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.11.16 17:14:00 - [14] Your clone, your mistake, your responsibility.
Baldour Ngarr Aliastra	Posted - 2008.11.16 21:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Tzar'rim Your clone, your mistake, your responsibility. As echoed by various others above, I'm not singling this guy out. This sentiment might actually be relevant, and you might not all look so bloody stupid, if the OP was actually blaming the game mechanics for him losing skillpoints. Since he wasn't.... ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Ancy Denaries Caldari Amarr Sisterhood of Galactic Sirens	Posted - 2008.11.17 15:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Baka Lakadaka Originally by: Galactic Tycoon ........ And annoying messages such as, "I'm just getting my barings I think I can do that in about 20 seconds" lol wtf..? That's really enhancing my game experience. Genius whoever thought of that, genius......... This is the session timer - it's designed to give people a fair chance when going through a gate/docking/undocking - sometimes lag causes you to take a little while load the screen, so you're invulnerable for 30 seconds or so. Makes sense when jumping or undocking. There are some cases though where I can't understand why it's applied - maybe it's a programming thing in those cases?? Session timer actually has nothing at all to do with keeping you safe. It's to safeguard against people doing several session changes in quick succession and suddenly the client believes the person is in one place, but due to lag the server thinks he's somewhere else, causing a severe desyncronisation. That would be totally bad if you undock in your shuttle on your client, but on the server you are undocking your CNR straight into a gatecamp. That would utterly suck. The 30 second session change timer is to prevent that from happening.
Jon Elleder Gallente Dilmun GmbH	Posted - 2008.11.17 17:37:00 - [17] Originally by: Durgoh If I use a provider (today) of a backup service to backup my computer data, I don't want to be told that they need a larger hard drive. I just pay my monthly backup fee and the size of the backup media is the providers problem, not mine. Go and tell this to any backup provider Usually those services are limited to any amount of space, and if you exceed that, you have to contract another level of service. You can receive a message that tells you you have exceeded your limit and advicing to contract the higher service, because they want to make ISK (eeer, money) with you, but that's all. So I understand the original comment, but well, the system is this way
Half Blindman	Posted - 2008.12.14 12:32:00 - [18] Based on the assumption that people should do what makes them happy, may I recommend WOW to you and anyone else whose ability to absorb fundemental game concepts matches yours? If this is not an option then your only recourse is to occasionally read the "helpful hints and tips bar" on login. Its difficult until you get the hang of it but a few basic equipment items like eyes and a dictionary should ensure you prevail. HB :)
Cereah	Posted - 2008.12.14 13:51:00 - [19] I dont get it. I understand that you lost a hell of a lot of skill points. I understand that You wanted to get from point A to point B. Since the game provides a way of doing this thru jump clones, and that the game has a limit on how often you can use them.... wouldnt this be considered expensive cheating? The game clearly wasnt designed to be used that way anyhow. Be happy you didnt lose more.
Estel Arador Minmatar	Posted - 2008.12.14 15:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Half Blindman stuff I don't get it. The topic is almost a month old and you post to add nothing? FREE! jumpclone service

Mara Rinn	Posted - 2008.12.14 23:20:00 - [21] I remember that warning message from AURA, but only because I followed the tutorial all the way through including the 10-part mission chain. I think I did two of the mission chains - one for people learning mining, the other for people learning combat. I think there's a third chain for people entering the business world, which involves being rewarded the "Salvaging" training manual. But I digress. There are no further warnings from AURA, in fact the first warning is only issued in order to notify new pilots about the role of medical clone facilities. So it's more along the lines of a quest dialogue than a "warning".
Louis deGuerre Gallente Universe At War	Posted - 2008.12.15 00:11:00 - [22] Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 15/12/2008 00:12:12 I'd totally LOL, but I just got podded and realized I'd forgotten to jump to my combat clone Ah well, bye bye implants
Aion Amarra Minmatar New Eden Research Organisation StarFleet Federation	Posted - 2008.12.15 06:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Tzar'rim Your clone, your mistake, your responsibility. As echoed by various others above, I'm not singling this guy out. This sentiment might actually be relevant, and you might not all look so bloody stupid, if the OP was actually blaming the game mechanics for him losing skillpoints. Since he wasn't.... The first one might have been the lack of a warning, but he really has no excuse for the second one, don't you think? I'll quote: Quote: I ask because I podded myself twice recently to quick travel. Then i check my inbox and it deduced 300k then 600k skillpoints from Gallente Cruise V. OMFG!!!! Assuming he read the timestamps on the mails right, the second one deducted MORE than the first. That means, not only did he not have an up to date clone, he did not even REPLACE the old clone after the first pod jump. Am I the only one who sees something -very- wrong with this?


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