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Suszi
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:13:00 -
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Our KB is down, and i thought that why dont have eve a global killboard?
That kb uses api and u dont need to post mails on it. All of your kills and losses posted automatically.
Ideas?
(I really want a global kb :) ) |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:14:00 -
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If you mean an official CCP maintained one, I think it's because they aren't big fans of unreal tournament. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:15:00 -
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 Originally by: Crumplecorn
unreal tournament.
Yea it kinda sucks. Quake III man. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Crumplecorn
unreal tournament.
Yea it kinda sucks. Quake III man.
I <3 UT. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:19:00 -
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There's already enough e-peen waving around as is. No need to reinforce this juvenile behavior more. |
Plim
Gallente
Oursulaert Technology Institute
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:22:00 -
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Edited by: Plim on 16/11/2008 17:22:06
Because it would basically be a CCP sanctioned way of getting recon on people.
Some people don't want everyone to know what they are flying/fitting and where.
Even if you had the option to keep your stats private, other people could make public their kills, potentially showing 100% accurate details on you. That is something CCP shouldn't be involved in. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Crumplecorn
unreal tournament.
Yea it kinda sucks. Quake III man.
I <3 UT.
You just don't know what you are talking about. |
Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
You just don't know what you are talking about.
That's quite true, I've never actually played quake 3. Does it have VCTF? |
jinkoti boslin2
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:27:00 -
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I think that having it automatically update would be a bad idea.. However this was something I heard discussed a hell of a lot whilst playing in faction war.
General consensus seemed to be the Battleclinic.com killboards, however an official CCP Board would be a nice touch I think.. Bring it on CCP!
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr
The Cosa Nostra
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.16 17:59:00 -
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CCP has never endorsed killboards, and never will. Get a better killboard.
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Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 18:05:00 -
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Would make lot of ppl to leave as some would show in killboard as 254 death and 3 kills and some (moron) would laught at him for that
On planetside (MMOFPS) you can see people number of kills but not number of death, would have killed the game since long
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.11.16 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike
Would make lot of ppl to leave as some would show in killboard as 254 death and 3 kills and some (moron) would laught at him for that
On planetside (MMOFPS) you can see people number of kills but not number of death, would have killed the game since long
The moron would be the guy leaving the game because somsome is mocking his kill stats
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 18:24:00 -
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With a central KB people could get the option to have their entrys public or private, similar to certificates, so that's not a real problem.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.11.16 18:25:00 -
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A global killboard would give perfect intel on kills & losses; CAOD would instantly die a fiery death (well, no it wouldn't, shame, but people would no longer be able to yell at each other over so-called 'facts').
Intel can be as much propaganda as it is actual details, and as quite a few 0.0 veterans (of which I'm not one so I'm taking them at their word) have said in the past, wars aren't necessarily won in EVE per se, they're won through morale or the lack thereof.
Now an in-game-hosted killboard that replicated much of what current killboards do, that is accessible to your corp/alliance only, there's an idea that might work... Then again, you could just use a killboard... |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
There's already enough e-peen waving around as is. No need to reinforce this juvenile behavior more.
"e-peen waving" with killmails already exist, people are linking their killboard kills in forum signatures for example, and show how much ships they killed, an official central killboard wouldn't be something new in this field.
It would only assure that those kills are not fake, so basically you support the waving of fake e-peens with your rejection of an official killboard.
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Nicholas Barker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.16 18:38:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Abrazzar
There's already enough e-peen waving around as is. No need to reinforce this juvenile behavior more.
"e-peen waving" with killmails already exist, people are linking their killboard kills in forum signatures for example, and show how much ships they killed, an official central killboard wouldn't be something new in this field.
It would only assure that those kills are not fake, so basically you support the waving of fake e-peens with your rejection of an official killboard.
privacy, secrecy, intelligence, information, and misinformation. |
therealdhs
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Posted - 2008.11.16 18:52:00 -
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What if it had a delay of a day or two? Killboards are nice, but some people choose not to post their losses, so an automatically updating Eve KB would keep everything honest. |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.16 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nicholas Barker
privacy, secrecy, intelligence, information, and misinformation.
Privacy, secrecy, intelligence, information: easy to solve with a time delay and an option to switch one's kills to private or public.
Misinformation: the partys involeved know that it's a fake. Towards everyone else that's nothing else than the right to wave with a faked e-peen, as mentioned above. That's a little sacrifice for a very usefull tool imho. Not every corp can afford to maintain it's own killboard, and if you are ok with your alliance killboard simply put your kills to not viewable to public.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.17 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Plim
Because it would basically be a CCP sanctioned way of getting recon on people.
Not an argument since the data is allready readily available through unofficial kbs.
Originally by: Plim
Some people don't want everyone to know what they are flying/fitting and where.
Not an argument since the party doing the killing has more likely then not allready posted the mail = on his/her kb.
Originally by: Plim
Even if you had the option to keep your stats private, other people could make public their kills, potentially showing 100% accurate details on you. That is something CCP shouldn't be involved in.
And why? This is a pvp game afterall, why not have stats to go with it.
As a matter of fact it's a lot harder to understand why after 5 years this still hasnt been implemented (except for a factionwarfare kinda thing). Why do we get killmails that include fittings in the first place? Why dont we get podmails that include implants? Sending out killmails with fittings and cargo but pods without implants makes no logical sense whatsoever.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.11.17 02:34:00 -
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Arguments have been made for the removal of killmails.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.17 02:41:00 -
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In the end it looks like we'll need to wait untill Chribba steps away from his roids and into pvp and decides to end the ludicriousy which is the lack of offical pvp stats and will incorporate an eve wide killboard through corp api's.
Eve wide pvp stats could be great intell for traders/industrialists as well.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
If you can understand our goal, disagree with our solution and offer a solution that is equal or better your opinion has a better chance of being heard...
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.11.17 02:47:00 -
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CCP can't be bothered with all the player base e-peen waving around the place, that's why we don't have an official ingame killboard mantained by ccp |
Mordekai Bloodwake
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.11.17 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Suszi
Our KB is down, and i thought that why dont have eve a global killboard?
That kb uses api and u dont need to post mails on it. All of your kills and losses posted automatically.
Ideas?
(I really want a global kb :) )
I sure hope this never happens, otherwise well see even more "look at me rambo syndrome" wanna-be's that consider shuttle popping or x10 on 1 a victory!
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.11.17 03:41:00 -
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I sure hope this never happens, otherwise well see even more "look at me rambo syndrome" wanna-be's that consider shuttle popping or x10 on 1 a victory!
They do that already. Plenty of corps out there that refuse to even look at you until you provide some kb stats.
It's a massive part of the pvp communities psyche. An official one would just be a stick in the eye of the liars and wannabes.
At the minimum if it just showed kills/deaths ship class' it would be great. If THAT's too much intel for your tastes then you're far too paranoid.
Barring that, just get rid of them altogether. 
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.11.17 04:50:00 -
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Originally by: Crumplecorn
If you mean an official CCP maintained one, I think it's because they aren't big fans of unreal tournament.
yeah, it would be REAAAAAAAlllllyyyyy stupid for a company that promotes their game as a "pvp in all ways" type to have something that would promote......pvp.
FPS games with killboards,stat tracking, all that **** pushes players to want to beat the guy with the highest body count. Not here in EVE, the atmosphere is more "tea and crumpets". Its no wonder why so many players have never tried pvp and think its "griefing" to wtfpwn someone just for being there.
in short, its psychological.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.11.17 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zothike
Would make lot of ppl to leave as some would show in killboard as 254 death and 3 kills and some (moron) would laught at him for that
On planetside (MMOFPS) you can see people number of kills but not number of death, would have killed the game since long
hahahahah, PS,Markov,NC,Legion of the Damned,StoneRhino, that would be me. I have to disagree about the deaths being shown having a negative effect. In that game there are times where no matter what you do, how good you are, your just going to die, even if your one of those noobs that get Surge just so they can run like girls.
My K/D would have been around 1:1, some of the cr5s would think its funny but I was the one that got **** done. You can't breach the line in the sand by sitting back and playing it safe. You couldn't take bases without kicking in the door and going in guns blazing ,even if you know theres 50 tr or vanu waiting for you on the other side. Unless of course you played VS then you just blow the gen like a fairy and avoid fighting.
Most people forgot that my K/D was 1:1 or just didn't care because results is what mattered most, not some girl firing from the back using everyone that has a sack , as a meatsheild.
50k+kills total, would have had more if i played more and had a decent comp the first year i played. mossie sniping was for chicks. 
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters
DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.11.17 05:03:00 -
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there are thousands of killboards already. if your corp killboard is down, join another corp?
uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ
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ShardowRhino
Caldari
Legion 0f The Damned
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Posted - 2008.11.17 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: therealdhs
What if it had a delay of a day or two? Killboards are nice, but some people choose not to post their losses, so an automatically updating Eve KB would keep everything honest.
The part about keeping things honest is the real reason people DON'T want an official KB. You can suggest delayed updates. You can suggest hidden configs. I know I did after FW's release but still people cried "no free intel!",which makes no sense because of how many nubs in eve use alts to spy,aka "free intel".
It would be impossible for a player to actually argue that there is secrecy in Eve when it comes to kills. The only way to avoid your setups being posted is to simply not fight or to always win. The reason for that is someone that has killed you is going to post the killmail with you on it and its going to be made available to additional players. Those players are going to talk with other corps and individual and want to show off their latest kill. ALso don't forget the alt spies that will be gathering the KB info and feeding it to their real corp. Take that info and slap the config onto battleclinic and boom, your "secure" intel is now "free".
Its either people are to stupid to realize that the information is already out there or they really believe they have some super secret setups no one could have ever come up with unless they copied it. However it makes far more sense that these people are really just trying to cover up their losses since its illogical for their argument to ever hold any water. |
Del Narveux
Dukes of Hazard
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Posted - 2008.11.17 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
There's already enough e-peen waving around as is. No need to reinforce this juvenile behavior more.
QFT.
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Terraform
Gallente
Recreation Of The World
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Posted - 2008.11.17 05:54:00 -
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oh yes! let's get an eve killboard that'll get updated about as often as their item database 
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