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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.11.18 00:50:00 -
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Not ****ed at all since it was a 20mil loss or so, no tears here. Just informing anyone who accepts 1vs1's with this individual, and to a smaller extend, his corporation, to tread with caution. Shame since I had a 1vs1 with BloodBird earlier and he honoured it.
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Here is the absolute full chatlog, I'll post the relevant parts here (local chat from other people, and timestamps edited out to make it easier to read).
EVE System > Channel changed to Dihra Local Channel Lubomir Penev > Hey Icefive you want a cruiser 1vs1? Dirty Looks > i will Lubomir Penev > sure Icefive > sure Icefive > ill fight u Icefive > planet 2 Lubomir Penev > ishtar is a hac :) Icefive > lol Icefive > its a cruiser Icefive > is it a cruiser or not Icefive > its t2 cruiser Icefive > still a cruiser Icefive > nobody said t1 Lubomir Penev > Alright, bad communication on my part then Icefive > lol Lubomir Penev > I got out so non loss though Icefive > i dont have t1 cruisers Lubomir Penev > Well I was interested since you smacked my Thorax fit on your killboard Icefive > lol Icefive > i stuck up for u Icefive > little failcake Icefive > bring a t2 then and ill be here Lubomir Penev > Icefive on Monday 17th Nov 21:26 stupid fit, cant tank.... all them ships pffft fail Icefive > lol Icefive > ofc it was a joke Icefive > 10 vs 1 Icefive > and u lose Lubomir Penev > Theres not even any Duty. on that mail ;) Icefive > no ship can tank 10 vs 1 Icefive > lol Icefive > course there is Icefive > hmm Icefive > readyign my ship Icefive > gimme a couple mins Lubomir Penev > I'm probably gonna fight Dirty Looks first Icefive > yeh Icefive > im fitting ship now Icefive > meet me at planet 5 when ur ready Lubomir Penev > I still got aggro to Dirty Looks who is hunting me in an absolution =p Dirty Looks > lol naw Dirty Looks > i just was grabbing loot Icefive > dammit Icefive > come here Lubomir Penev > ok Lubomir Penev > lame Lubomir Penev > I expected betrer of duty Icefive > sorry m8 Icefive > lagged out Icefive > and u still tried to kick my ass Lubomir Penev > which is reason to decloak a pilgrim and kill me Icefive > yeh Icefive > cos u were killign me and i wasnt here Lubomir Penev > I would have disenagegd and let you rep but w/e Lubomir Penev > The fact that the pilgrim was there to begin with makes me suspicious Icefive > lol Icefive > u got friend in system Viktor Vegas > cause he is dishonorable Icefive > how do we know he wasnt there too Icefive > yeh :) Icefive > ill take that 1 Icefive > just had to get a kill but he was there to kill u after i die Viktor Vegas > ***** Icefive > then i got massive lag spike and u engaged still so he fired at u :) before i died Icefive > lol Icefive > he ran from me first :o Lubomir Penev > Yeah I was in a Thorax and warped away from a Ishtar Icefive > yeh Icefive > and i never said 1 vs 1 at any point Icefive > lol Lubomir Penev > I'm not ****ed about the loss, just annoyed that you would stoop low and bend rules to get a Thorax kill. Icefive > lol Icefive > well Icefive > i missed most of the war Icefive > and its now invalid Icefive > expires in 5h Icefive > so i needed at least 1 kill Viktor Vegas > well at least we have honor Viktor Vegas > you have none Icefive > have fun m8 Icefive > lol Icefive > i have honour Icefive > he attacks a man when he cant move Icefive > might as well be pirating Icefive > anyway Icefive > have fun Lubomir Penev > You said come to planet V Lubomir Penev > I did Lubomir Penev > i enagged and a pilgrim uncloaked
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.11.18 00:55:00 -
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TL;DR: The Pilgrim (CB Cyrix) decloaks apparently because IceFive 'lagged out' even though he's shooting me. He then changes his story to him not agreeing specfically to a 1vs1, even though it was implied and he responded to my offer of "Lubomir Penev > Hey Icefive you want a cruiser 1vs1?". He then says that he needed a kill before the war went active.
If you ask for 1vs1's from Icefive or Duty. I'd suggest to tread with caution, as I said in the beginning of the OP, it's a shame because I had a honoured 1vs1 with a member of theirs an hour earlier.
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug |
The Slagh
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Posted - 2008.11.18 00:55:00 -
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Pretty low for a 'rax kill. I've got em red now.
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Faekurias
Black Legion Command Black Legion.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 01:51:00 -
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Sooo am I the only one thinking "Duty" as in p00pies? ------------------ Zomg Outdated linkz.
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JordanParey
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.11.18 03:15:00 -
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hahaha, he said p00pies! |
NoMoreLies
Project Nemesis
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Posted - 2008.11.18 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey hahaha, he said p00pies!
this^^
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Suitonia
Gallente interimo
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Posted - 2008.11.18 05:13:00 -
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A few of them are not posting losses either, the argument is so 2006, but considering that they are a mercenary corporation I'd say it's bad for business to not post losses, and in the age of the API key there really is no excuses.
Minor losses ofc, but they are missing. 1 2 3 4
It's a shame when an asshat or two ruins a good corporations reputation. We had nothing but respect for duty. who have definatly pleased their employer, we were having great fun trying to fight them outnumbered and outgunned. It was tough on a few of our newer members, but they had a good time learning. They also had a few battleship 1vs1's (which duty. won) but were honoured, so it seems like just this Icefive and CB cyrix dude are at fault here and not the corp. |
Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 07:06:00 -
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Duty have always been a joke. They have a no-piracy policy that extends even at not engaging neutrals in 0.0 but dishonor 1:1's, and i'm personally surprised they undocked. |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.11.18 07:39:00 -
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They also posted a loss on their killboard where they wern't even involved in the slightest.
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No Duty. Involved at all and the smacktalk on it is pretty fun, I'd say my fit is pretty good, 20k+ EHP, breaks 400 dps with a cheap 5% Medium hardwiring, It's a Gallente Rupture (almost 600 with damage drones) better than BloodBirds Thorax Loss in my opinion which isn't even posted to their killboard.
But I am of course the 'griefing noob'.
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug |
Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev They also posted a loss on their killboard where they wern't even involved in the slightest.
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No Duty. Involved at all and the smacktalk on it is pretty fun, I'd say my fit is pretty good, 20k+ EHP, breaks 400 dps with a cheap 5% Medium hardwiring, It's a Gallente Rupture (almost 600 with damage drones) better than BloodBirds Thorax Loss in my opinion which isn't even posted to their killboard.
But I am of course the 'griefing noob'.
What makes the Rupture great over the Thorax is not it's EHP, but it's autocannon range with falloff rigs. Thorax can't do anything against fast moving tacklers at 15km; same tacklers will always get ****d by Rupture, and if Rupture can stay at 9km from the Thorax, the Thorax is gonna lose badly in a 1;1 fight. :)
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MirrorGod
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
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Posted - 2008.11.18 08:04:00 -
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I'd like to hear what Stitcher has to say about this one. Is this a one time mistake that gets dealt with or a corp habit - if so, it's very bad for the reputation.
And no piracy, Duty. ? C'mmmaaaannn [center]
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.11.18 08:07:00 -
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Of course, I'd prefer a Vexor when fighting a Rupture. My 'Rax fit is mostly for ganking ratters, got 3 battleships in KBP7 with it Saturday night .
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug |
Nexus Kinnon
Armada.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 09:37:00 -
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They didn't even dishonour it with style. LRN2HOTDROPSUPERCAPS noobs. |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lubomir Penev They also posted a loss on their killboard where they wern't even involved in the slightest.
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No Duty. Involved at all and the smacktalk on it is pretty fun, I'd say my fit is pretty good, 20k+ EHP, breaks 400 dps with a cheap 5% Medium hardwiring, It's a Gallente Rupture (almost 600 with damage drones) better than BloodBirds Thorax Loss in my opinion which isn't even posted to their killboard.
But I am of course the 'griefing noob'.
<.< >.> Where's the Duty? lol Course it's 5AM and my eyesight could be failing but I see a whole lot of S3verence and an Alt Realty and some npcs but not the corp that owns the killboard.
I normally dont post about "mercs" and just let employers judge for themselves. But i think Duty may have discovered the ultimate secret of KM whoring. The ultimate form of km whoring is never to ***** at all...
But in seriousness, interimo are griefers but even they deserve better than whats being reported in this thread, |
Nathan Harrow
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 10:49:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Harrow on 18/11/2008 10:54:46 Im gonna post here to clear up this whole thing.
It is my understanding that Icefive challenged said interimo guy to a 1v1 - upon the start of the challenge, ice lost connection and CB stepped up to help him. He was just helping a corp mate that was in trouble.
Im very sorry that you are so offended by this, and on behalf of Duty i apologise.
As for not posting the posprey losses - it was before our war started, so not relevant to our current campaign. As for the thorax loss i was not aware, all of our combat losses should be posted, i will follow up with the individuals involved. However, i will post these now so that people can stop crying about the 1 or 2 losses that we havent posted in our entire history as a corporation.
Its a shame you couldnt have taken this through the proper channels of diplomacy like professions and instead attempted to start a flame war about our conduct. We have more than a long enough list of people who will vouch for our previous conduct and skill in what we do.
As for 0.0 anti piracy, what is mentioned here is so 6 months ago. We havent maintained an nrds policy since the new administration took over if your red, and in lowsec, you are free game.
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Irma Phelbs
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Posted - 2008.11.18 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Harrow As for the thorax loss i was not aware, all of our combat losses should be posted, i will follow up with the individuals involved.
Why don't you just API feed your KB so a few bad apples don't make you look bad. There is still an obviously edited killmail on your Kb http://duty.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1916 (lol Keine alliance) where not a single duty. pilot is appearing. Also the comments on this specific kills make your corp look like a bunch of drooling morons, platerax > rep rax anyday, as Bloodbird eventually discovered... |
Nathan Harrow
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 11:27:00 -
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The kill has been removed, i will be having words with those involved.
As previously mentioned, we have not had issues like this in the past and they are taken very seriously, however i reitterate, it would have been polite for this to have been dealt with dilpomatically, we would have offered compensation for the loss.
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Cat Molina
Minmatar Psychotic Inc.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Harrow - upon the start of the challenge, ice lost connection and CB stepped up to help him. He was just helping a corp mate that was in trouble.
That is the lamest, weakest excuse I have ever heard for dishonoring a 1v1. It sounds like something that would come from a 14-year old child.
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Paola DiLivio
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Harrow
As for not posting the posprey losses - it was before our war started, so not relevant to our current campaign. As for the thorax loss i was not aware, all of our combat losses should be posted, i will follow up with the individuals involved.
Does not compute, a posprey popped repairing a POS is somehow not a combat loss? Most people qualify as combat loss all losses with something that isn't a npc on it...
From http://duty.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1886
Originally by: FinalFlash
Ah, now i remember him. That's the guy who volleyed our Pospreys :D
those posprey kills definitely happen and should definitely be on the kb but out of the campaign if off the timeline... Kills on BC but not on their killboard always worry me wrt merc corps.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mickey Simon on 18/11/2008 14:37:33
Originally by: Cat Molina
Originally by: Nathan Harrow - upon the start of the challenge, ice lost connection and CB stepped up to help him. He was just helping a corp mate that was in trouble.
That is the lamest, weakest excuse I have ever heard for dishonoring a 1v1. It sounds like something that would come from a 14-year old child.
I am in no way speaking for my corporation when I say this, but I agree with Cat Molina. A 1v1 is just that. Your honour is more important than the loss of a ship. [edited for clarification] Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
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Nathan Harrow
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 15:16:00 -
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Edited by: Nathan Harrow on 18/11/2008 15:18:06
Originally by: Mickey Simon I am in no way speaking for my corporation when I say this, but I agree with Cat Molina. A 1v1 is just that. Your honour is more important than the loss of a ship. [edited for clarification]
As i have reitterated to the people involved and i agree, i am of course speaking from the information that was given me as i was not present to experience the fight in person.
We pride our selves on honourable and fair dealings, and this is being dealt with with the severity that it should be dealt with to ensure that it never happens again. If you expect a fair and honoured 1v1 from a pirate, you'd expect the same from an anti-pirate corporation.
We understand this and once again on behalf of my corporation i apologise to Lubomir Penev and the Interimo Corporation.
This experience has brought to light some things that we were unaware of, and we have already taken steps to recify this. For instance our killboard relied on people posting their kills and losses, and no api feeds (which tbh i didnt realise you could do and would welcome if someone could mail me in game with how you can add this feature to a griefwatch kb). We are looking to get this changed so such oversights can be avoided.
And to those people who will ignore what im trying to say because they just see an opportunity to cast doubt and flame, flame on. We get the results our employers want ligitimately and have yet to fail to deliver on a contract and thats the important thing, and what employers look at first, not one isolated case where our operating procedures were broken.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nathan Harrow As i have reitterated to the people involved and i agree, i am of course speaking from the information that was given me as i was not present to experience the fight in person.
I apologise if my comment came off as directed at the integrity of your Cop. You obviously seem to be intent on resolving the issue as soon as possible (if you haven't done so already!) which is to your credit, and that of your Corporation. It was more a comment on people that excuse a broken 1v1 as "just helping out a friend". Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
CB Cyrix
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 22:58:00 -
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Edited by: CB Cyrix on 18/11/2008 23:05:05 On entering the system Ice saw you had another in local, therefore I was asked to come 'incase' anyone else appeared.
You had a fight in a safespot and being in a pilgrim with a scan probe launcher in my cargo hold I could of easy scanned you down and killed you then, but I didnt.
Ice told me to hold back at 30km and not decloak unless there was a problem.
Then instant you warped to planet 5 (where we was) you arrive 35km from me and about 20km or so from Ice, and I started to lag out, like seriously lag out, like it was a 100 man fleet fight. I saw Ice sitting still, screaming at me on voice coms that he was lagging too and you still engaged him.
So I decloaked to show myself at 25km, I had a warp scrambler fitted and can only move at 500m/s, so I slowly moved towards you neuting you to stop you killing him and so you can either warp out or just stop shooting to allow you two to slug it out properly and farely 1vs1.
You didnt stop and I saw Ice enter hull, so I released drones and told them to engage you, at this point you started to loose shields and enter armour. I pulled my drones but you suddenly lost all armour and hull and popped. (Still lagging out)
Considering all evening it was totally smooth, then all of a sudden you warp to a planet and both our clients start super lagging. I found this more interesting than anything.
I was not there to kill you, I was there incase your other local corp member engaged Ice, thats why I didnt talk in local after as I will not smack someone for that.
I am willing to pay myself your insurance cost for your ship (decided to send 5mil as good will), I didnt loot your container therefore I will leave it to Ice to send you either isk for the items or the loot itself.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente L8L8L8
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:15:00 -
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It's Duty...doesn't surprise me.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:34:00 -
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Cyrix! :D You delicius bastard! |
Irma Phelbs
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: CB Cyrix
You didnt stop and I saw Ice enter hull, so I released drones and told them to engage you, at this point you started to loose shields and enter armour. I pulled my drones but you suddenly lost all armour and hull and popped. (Still lagging out)
Considering all evening it was totally smooth, then all of a sudden you warp to a planet and both our clients start super lagging. I found this more interesting than anything.
How come lagged to hell people like you managed to snag the pod?
http://duty.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1947
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CB Cyrix
Duty.
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Posted - 2008.11.18 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Irma Phelbs
Originally by: CB Cyrix
You didnt stop and I saw Ice enter hull, so I released drones and told them to engage you, at this point you started to loose shields and enter armour. I pulled my drones but you suddenly lost all armour and hull and popped. (Still lagging out)
Considering all evening it was totally smooth, then all of a sudden you warp to a planet and both our clients start super lagging. I found this more interesting than anything.
How come lagged to hell people like you managed to snag the pod?
http://duty.griefwatch.net/?p=details&kill=1947
Coz he sat there for about 30 seconds after
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Muad' Dib
Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.11.19 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 19/11/2008 00:24:27
Originally by: Nathan Harrow Edited by: Nathan Harrow on 18/11/2008 10:54:46 Im gonna post here to clear up this whole thing.
It is my understanding that Icefive challenged said interimo guy to a 1v1 - upon the start of the challenge, ice lost connection and CB stepped up to help him. He was just helping a corp mate that was in trouble.
Im very sorry that you are so offended by this, and on behalf of Duty i apologise.
As for not posting the posprey losses - it was before our war started, so not relevant to our current campaign. As for the thorax loss i was not aware, all of our combat losses should be posted, i will follow up with the individuals involved. However, i will post these now so that people can stop crying about the 1 or 2 losses that we havent posted in our entire history as a corporation.
Its a shame you couldnt have taken this through the proper channels of diplomacy like professions and instead attempted to start a flame war about our conduct. We have more than a long enough list of people who will vouch for our previous conduct and skill in what we do.
As for 0.0 anti piracy, what is mentioned here is so 6 months ago. We havent maintained an nrds policy since the new administration took over if your red, and in lowsec, you are free game.
If you go by the screenshot posted, than Icefive is the champion of quick logins. Also, nice job on getting the pod. |
Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: CB Cyrix I was not there to kill you, I was there incase your other local corp member engaged Ice, thats why I didnt talk in local after as I will not smack someone for that.
Then.. why oh why did you engage him? If you are there purely for insurance the 1 vs 1 wasn't violated, you should have never uncloaked. |
Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.11.19 01:07:00 -
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He was shooting me and fighting me way before you engaged, I was 50% armor as he entered hull, you hadn't engaged at that point as your target lock was still yellow (look at the screenshot). You engaged me as soon as he entered hull which is what made it look very bad on your end.
Lag shouldn't be an excuse. I can't control your internet connection or CCP's servers. |
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