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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:35:00 -
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So they can cloak...they don't look like they are at all useful in combat, what are they good for? just scouting?
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:35:00 -
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So they can cloak...they don't look like they are at all useful in combat, what are they good for? just scouting?
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SLIM
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:41:00 -
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Scouting, smuggling, avoiding gate campers, holding lone indies hostage/killing them, hit and runs, holding down an enemy and waiting for the cavalry to arrive :) Lots of interesting uses, I'm sure I'll think of more when I get mine in a week or two (waiting for prices to drop a bit).
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SLIM
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:41:00 -
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Scouting, smuggling, avoiding gate campers, holding lone indies hostage/killing them, hit and runs, holding down an enemy and waiting for the cavalry to arrive :) Lots of interesting uses, I'm sure I'll think of more when I get mine in a week or two (waiting for prices to drop a bit).
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:44:00 -
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 Originally by: SLIM
Scouting, smuggling, avoiding gate campers, holding lone indies hostage/killing them, hit and runs, holding down an enemy and waiting for the cavalry to arrive :) Lots of interesting uses, I'm sure I'll think of more when I get mine in a week or two (waiting for prices to drop a bit).
i mean, anything you can't do in an interceptor? (other than the cloacking)i'm currently a ceptor pilot considering trianing for covert ops, hence the question.
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Necrologic
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: SLIM
Scouting, smuggling, avoiding gate campers, holding lone indies hostage/killing them, hit and runs, holding down an enemy and waiting for the cavalry to arrive :) Lots of interesting uses, I'm sure I'll think of more when I get mine in a week or two (waiting for prices to drop a bit).
i mean, anything you can't do in an interceptor? (other than the cloacking)i'm currently a ceptor pilot considering trianing for covert ops, hence the question.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:48:00 -
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Instajump bookmarking popular pirate camps (then selling them), gangwarp point for fleet operations, keeping the player with the highest gang skills safe from enemy fire... what slim said... and someone will probally find more uses.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:48:00 -
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Instajump bookmarking popular pirate camps (then selling them), gangwarp point for fleet operations, keeping the player with the highest gang skills safe from enemy fire... what slim said... and someone will probally find more uses.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
i mean, anything you can't do in an interceptor? (other than the cloacking)i'm currently a ceptor pilot considering trianing for covert ops, hence the question.
Oh... oh... Theres not alot of direct combat use for them, even with level 5 cloaking a group would still have five seconds of dead time where the ambushed-to-be could easily run away. Its a technical support ship, its recon and information, not cloak and pwn.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 04:53:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
i mean, anything you can't do in an interceptor? (other than the cloacking)i'm currently a ceptor pilot considering trianing for covert ops, hence the question.
Oh... oh... Theres not alot of direct combat use for them, even with level 5 cloaking a group would still have five seconds of dead time where the ambushed-to-be could easily run away. Its a technical support ship, its recon and information, not cloak and pwn.
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SLIM
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Originally by: Necrologic
i mean, anything you can't do in an interceptor? (other than the cloacking)i'm currently a ceptor pilot considering trianing for covert ops, hence the question.
Oh... oh... Theres not alot of direct combat use for them, even with level 5 cloaking a group would still have five seconds of dead time where the ambushed-to-be could easily run away. Its a technical support ship, its recon and information, not cloak and pwn.
Quite right. The only exception I can think of at the moment is holding down a lone indy and pummeling it or ransoming it. The indy's slow align to warp and slow speed mean it's not likely to get away.
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SLIM
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Originally by: Necrologic
i mean, anything you can't do in an interceptor? (other than the cloacking)i'm currently a ceptor pilot considering trianing for covert ops, hence the question.
Oh... oh... Theres not alot of direct combat use for them, even with level 5 cloaking a group would still have five seconds of dead time where the ambushed-to-be could easily run away. Its a technical support ship, its recon and information, not cloak and pwn.
Quite right. The only exception I can think of at the moment is holding down a lone indy and pummeling it or ransoming it. The indy's slow align to warp and slow speed mean it's not likely to get away.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:05:00 -
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I can't think of a single useful thing for cloaking, I regret training electronics upgrades to 5 now. Scouting? You can do that in an interceptor, or with the scanner. Smuggling? We have nothing to smuggle. Avoiding gate campers? Not with all the restrictions on cloaking. Holding hostages? You can already do that with interceptors, and much more effectively since you don't have to wait to target. Hit and run, again interceptors can do this just fine. Holding down an enemy? Interceptors or frigates can do this much more effectively.
Basically the module serves no purpose that's not already covered by another ship in the game. Maybe when the different cloaking modules are released this will change, but currently IMO they're as useful as the 1200 units of garbage my agent just called on me to deliver.
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Xelios
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:05:00 -
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I can't think of a single useful thing for cloaking, I regret training electronics upgrades to 5 now. Scouting? You can do that in an interceptor, or with the scanner. Smuggling? We have nothing to smuggle. Avoiding gate campers? Not with all the restrictions on cloaking. Holding hostages? You can already do that with interceptors, and much more effectively since you don't have to wait to target. Hit and run, again interceptors can do this just fine. Holding down an enemy? Interceptors or frigates can do this much more effectively.
Basically the module serves no purpose that's not already covered by another ship in the game. Maybe when the different cloaking modules are released this will change, but currently IMO they're as useful as the 1200 units of garbage my agent just called on me to deliver.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
<insert rant on the uselessness of cloaking due to the temporary 10km fix>
Once the 10km is lifted, that will change, right now, buy em cheap while the majority of the playerbase thinks they're "useless."
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
<insert rant on the uselessness of cloaking due to the temporary 10km fix>
Once the 10km is lifted, that will change, right now, buy em cheap while the majority of the playerbase thinks they're "useless."
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:22:00 -
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Right now with the cloaking restrictions and the lack of the ôBlack Opsö cloaking device. Recon frigates stink on ice.
They are out classed by an interceptor in every category except cargo space.
However, once they are paired with the ôBlack Opsö cloaking device and the 10km restriction is lifted they are going to be quite popular.
The ôBlack Opsö cloaking device will only fit on the recon frigates, and it has a special twist.
You can warp while cloaked.
Think about that.
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:22:00 -
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Right now with the cloaking restrictions and the lack of the ôBlack Opsö cloaking device. Recon frigates stink on ice.
They are out classed by an interceptor in every category except cargo space.
However, once they are paired with the ôBlack Opsö cloaking device and the 10km restriction is lifted they are going to be quite popular.
The ôBlack Opsö cloaking device will only fit on the recon frigates, and it has a special twist.
You can warp while cloaked.
Think about that.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kurtz
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... covert ops cloak... black ops is something different entirely.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.09 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kurtz
<snip>
... covert ops cloak... black ops is something different entirely.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.07.09 07:04:00 -
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"Quite right. The only exception I can think of at the moment is holding down a lone indy and pummeling it or ransoming it. The indy's slow align to warp and slow speed mean it's not likely to get away."
Problem is with 1 or 2 weapons your going find it hard to take out an indi thats simi equiped for combat. A Halios ship has almost no chance against a good indi pilot. Still Halios is the ship I am going for.
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Pottsey
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Posted - 2004.07.09 07:04:00 -
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"Quite right. The only exception I can think of at the moment is holding down a lone indy and pummeling it or ransoming it. The indy's slow align to warp and slow speed mean it's not likely to get away."
Problem is with 1 or 2 weapons your going find it hard to take out an indi thats simi equiped for combat. A Halios ship has almost no chance against a good indi pilot. Still Halios is the ship I am going for.
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
I can't think of a single useful thing for cloaking, I regret training electronics upgrades to 5 now. Scouting? You can do that in an interceptor, or with the scanner. Smuggling? We have nothing to smuggle. Avoiding gate campers? Not with all the restrictions on cloaking. Holding hostages? You can already do that with interceptors, and much more effectively since you don't have to wait to target. Hit and run, again interceptors can do this just fine. Holding down an enemy? Interceptors or frigates can do this much more effectively.
Basically the module serves no purpose that's not already covered by another ship in the game. Maybe when the different cloaking modules are released this will change, but currently IMO they're as useful as the 1200 units of garbage my agent just called on me to deliver.
well covert-ops frigates with covert-ops cloak offer something that you are not able to do with any other ship.
You can warp cloaked.
What that means essentially is to warp in middle of your enemy, inspect situation, pick targets.. and set yourself in a good position so other gang members can gang-warp to you and be in perfect position for attack. (picking a single sheep that is not in the herd)
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.07.09 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios
I can't think of a single useful thing for cloaking, I regret training electronics upgrades to 5 now. Scouting? You can do that in an interceptor, or with the scanner. Smuggling? We have nothing to smuggle. Avoiding gate campers? Not with all the restrictions on cloaking. Holding hostages? You can already do that with interceptors, and much more effectively since you don't have to wait to target. Hit and run, again interceptors can do this just fine. Holding down an enemy? Interceptors or frigates can do this much more effectively.
Basically the module serves no purpose that's not already covered by another ship in the game. Maybe when the different cloaking modules are released this will change, but currently IMO they're as useful as the 1200 units of garbage my agent just called on me to deliver.
well covert-ops frigates with covert-ops cloak offer something that you are not able to do with any other ship.
You can warp cloaked.
What that means essentially is to warp in middle of your enemy, inspect situation, pick targets.. and set yourself in a good position so other gang members can gang-warp to you and be in perfect position for attack. (picking a single sheep that is not in the herd)
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2004.07.09 07:27:00 -
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1. u need to be uncloaked to be warped 2
2. quarantine time b4 u can lock and fire
is enough to get yr ass ganked or left
behind to cry for all that ore i almost
got for free.
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MrMorph
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Posted - 2004.07.09 07:27:00 -
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1. u need to be uncloaked to be warped 2
2. quarantine time b4 u can lock and fire
is enough to get yr ass ganked or left
behind to cry for all that ore i almost
got for free.
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Trishys cookies they are !
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:01:00 -
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>>1. u need to be uncloaked to be warped 2
(Game show buzzer)
Wrong. You can warp to a cloaked gang member. Tried it, it works.
Gaijin: Sorry term mix up, you are correct. ôCovert opsö cloak.
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Kurtz
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:01:00 -
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>>1. u need to be uncloaked to be warped 2
(Game show buzzer)
Wrong. You can warp to a cloaked gang member. Tried it, it works.
Gaijin: Sorry term mix up, you are correct. ôCovert opsö cloak.
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Originally by: Xelios
<insert rant on the uselessness of cloaking due to the temporary 10km fix>
Once the 10km is lifted, that will change, right now, buy em cheap while the majority of the playerbase thinks they're "useless."
Buy em cheap? you call 40 million for a buzzard cheap?
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Hanns
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Posted - 2004.07.09 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Originally by: Xelios
<insert rant on the uselessness of cloaking due to the temporary 10km fix>
Once the 10km is lifted, that will change, right now, buy em cheap while the majority of the playerbase thinks they're "useless."
Buy em cheap? you call 40 million for a buzzard cheap?
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2004.07.12 02:18:00 -
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I'd jump on the occasion if instead of using frigates for black ops,CCP would introduce black op cruisers...
Imagine if you will a black ops version of a caldari blackbird,that would definately be something to look forward to
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digitalwanderer
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Posted - 2004.07.12 02:18:00 -
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I'd jump on the occasion if instead of using frigates for black ops,CCP would introduce black op cruisers...
Imagine if you will a black ops version of a caldari blackbird,that would definately be something to look forward to
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.07.12 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
Originally by: Xelios
I can't think of a single useful thing for cloaking, I regret training electronics upgrades to 5 now. Scouting? You can do that in an interceptor, or with the scanner. Smuggling? We have nothing to smuggle. Avoiding gate campers? Not with all the restrictions on cloaking. Holding hostages? You can already do that with interceptors, and much more effectively since you don't have to wait to target. Hit and run, again interceptors can do this just fine. Holding down an enemy? Interceptors or frigates can do this much more effectively.
Basically the module serves no purpose that's not already covered by another ship in the game. Maybe when the different cloaking modules are released this will change, but currently IMO they're as useful as the 1200 units of garbage my agent just called on me to deliver.
well covert-ops frigates with covert-ops cloak offer something that you are not able to do with any other ship.
You can warp cloaked.
What that means essentially is to warp in middle of your enemy, inspect situation, pick targets.. and set yourself in a good position so other gang members can gang-warp to you and be in perfect position for attack. (picking a single sheep that is not in the herd)
Agree totally, a blackops friggie is going to be the number one ship for attacking fleets in a defenceive position. Look forward to using it on you lot 
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Grut
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Posted - 2004.07.12 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: hatchette
Originally by: Xelios
I can't think of a single useful thing for cloaking, I regret training electronics upgrades to 5 now. Scouting? You can do that in an interceptor, or with the scanner. Smuggling? We have nothing to smuggle. Avoiding gate campers? Not with all the restrictions on cloaking. Holding hostages? You can already do that with interceptors, and much more effectively since you don't have to wait to target. Hit and run, again interceptors can do this just fine. Holding down an enemy? Interceptors or frigates can do this much more effectively.
Basically the module serves no purpose that's not already covered by another ship in the game. Maybe when the different cloaking modules are released this will change, but currently IMO they're as useful as the 1200 units of garbage my agent just called on me to deliver.
well covert-ops frigates with covert-ops cloak offer something that you are not able to do with any other ship.
You can warp cloaked.
What that means essentially is to warp in middle of your enemy, inspect situation, pick targets.. and set yourself in a good position so other gang members can gang-warp to you and be in perfect position for attack. (picking a single sheep that is not in the herd)
Agree totally, a blackops friggie is going to be the number one ship for attacking fleets in a defenceive position. Look forward to using it on you lot
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.12 10:28:00 -
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I FOUND A USE FOR THEM
wont be that useful untill shiva
with the new alliance system parts of the alliance wars will be moved to empire, for people doing agient missions and are in some alliance to be able to do whole missions cloaked is very valuable
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Arud
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Posted - 2004.07.12 10:28:00 -
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I FOUND A USE FOR THEM
wont be that useful untill shiva
with the new alliance system parts of the alliance wars will be moved to empire, for people doing agient missions and are in some alliance to be able to do whole missions cloaked is very valuable
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:11:00 -
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Imagen u have a fleet of 10 bs at save spot while there is a fleet of 15 hotile bs and some interceptors are camping your station (just an exampel). For sure u can send in interceptors to scout but they have to jump out agane after short time even if tehy jump to 300 km from station.
Now would be much easier to send in a covert ops frig, jumps in cloaked no one sees it and with covert ops frigat it is even able to fly with a decend speed. Searchs for teh weakest point (maybe a group of 4 bs that stands 20 km besids the other's).
Then the pilot have to figure out fdrom wich planet they have to warp to wich range from station so there flee tlands in optimal range to the 4 bs but out of range of the others.
Maybe the pilot even have to fly 30 minuts undecovert between enemeis avoiding to come closer then 10 km to find the perfect place as fleet jump in point ;)
I can imagine that that would be fun
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Der Ewige
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:11:00 -
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Imagen u have a fleet of 10 bs at save spot while there is a fleet of 15 hotile bs and some interceptors are camping your station (just an exampel). For sure u can send in interceptors to scout but they have to jump out agane after short time even if tehy jump to 300 km from station.
Now would be much easier to send in a covert ops frig, jumps in cloaked no one sees it and with covert ops frigat it is even able to fly with a decend speed. Searchs for teh weakest point (maybe a group of 4 bs that stands 20 km besids the other's).
Then the pilot have to figure out fdrom wich planet they have to warp to wich range from station so there flee tlands in optimal range to the 4 bs but out of range of the others.
Maybe the pilot even have to fly 30 minuts undecovert between enemeis avoiding to come closer then 10 km to find the perfect place as fleet jump in point ;)
I can imagine that that would be fun
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Spec 593357629
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:25:00 -
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ive got one thing to sya fast lock on and 5 mid slots hmm dunno sensordamps would be one use think of more
combat:Your Civilian Gatling Rail Gun hits Amarr Sentry Gun, doing 0.2 damage.
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Spec 593357629
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:25:00 -
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ive got one thing to sya fast lock on and 5 mid slots hmm dunno sensordamps would be one use think of more
combat:Your Civilian Gatling Rail Gun hits Amarr Sentry Gun, doing 0.2 damage.
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:36:00 -
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Are they able to warp to any object on the scanner, is that just a myth?
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:36:00 -
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Are they able to warp to any object on the scanner, is that just a myth?
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:41:00 -
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Myth, CCP has stated several times that no such ability will ever be implemented.
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Gaijin Lanis
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:41:00 -
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Myth, CCP has stated several times that no such ability will ever be implemented.
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:48:00 -
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"Ace".
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.07.12 11:48:00 -
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"Ace".
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.07.12 12:58:00 -
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/me Sighs ......
If you really can't see the impact these ships will have on the game then I suggest .... you just move along.
Mongo speaks !!
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Mongo Peck
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Posted - 2004.07.12 12:58:00 -
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/me Sighs ......
If you really can't see the impact these ships will have on the game then I suggest .... you just move along.
Mongo speaks !!
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.12 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Myth, CCP has stated several times that no such ability will ever be implemented.
The Black Ops ships will have some form of this capability, but it won't be "right click on scanner, select warp to". I figure there'll be some sort of high skill requirements, special scanner capabilties for the Black Ops, maybe a module involved, and then a final chance of maybe 25% of actually getting to the target in a safespot. Theres gotta be SOME way of busting safespots that doesn't take 2 days, but also doesn't occur fast enough that its instant-death for the target
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mahhy
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Posted - 2004.07.12 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaijin Lanis
Myth, CCP has stated several times that no such ability will ever be implemented.
The Black Ops ships will have some form of this capability, but it won't be "right click on scanner, select warp to". I figure there'll be some sort of high skill requirements, special scanner capabilties for the Black Ops, maybe a module involved, and then a final chance of maybe 25% of actually getting to the target in a safespot. Theres gotta be SOME way of busting safespots that doesn't take 2 days, but also doesn't occur fast enough that its instant-death for the target
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.07.12 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
The Black Ops ships will have some form of this capability, but it won't be "right click on scanner, select warp to". I figure there'll be some sort of high skill requirements, special scanner capabilties for the Black Ops, maybe a module involved, and then a final chance of maybe 25% of actually getting to the target in a safespot.
Aye, I always figured it'd come in with the Advanced Sensor Upgrades skill and some form of module. Guess we'll see.
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Tok Narok
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Posted - 2004.07.12 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: mahhy
The Black Ops ships will have some form of this capability, but it won't be "right click on scanner, select warp to". I figure there'll be some sort of high skill requirements, special scanner capabilties for the Black Ops, maybe a module involved, and then a final chance of maybe 25% of actually getting to the target in a safespot.
Aye, I always figured it'd come in with the Advanced Sensor Upgrades skill and some form of module. Guess we'll see.
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