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Wil Smithx
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.19 21:24:00 -
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Bored, so I decided to whine about triage...
What the hell does is exist for?! It gives a bonus to remote rep and boosts tank but the only way you could run a rack of capital transfers (for the thanatos at least) is to fill your meds, lows and rig slots with nothing but cap recharge!
The only possible use for it I could think of it repping pos that have just come out of reinforced mode, in which case its probably not that much of an issue anyway unless there's and enemy fleet there. In which case a carrier loaded with nothing but cap regen and remote rep dies pretty fast.
The bit that kills it is the inability to receive any cap, so no chance for cap transfer triangles on carriers.
If you can think of any other reason to use it (other than if you're about to die, because it is so damned unlikely it will work and you would have been better off with something else like a remote rep to keep your gang alive) please tell me.
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Secundus Vatio
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Posted - 2008.11.19 22:30:00 -
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tbh just fitting it to RR a POS is a good enuff reason for me!
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Sojet
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.11.19 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Sojet on 19/11/2008 22:35:28
Maybe the fact that it quadruples your tank?
If the enemy sees you healing all your battle buddies back to full every few seconds, then you're going to get shot a fair bit. If you're standard tank isn't enough to cope, just flip it on and bask in 7500+ sustainable tank, while you're still-living friends shoot them. You don't have to use remote reps while using it.
Sure, its total crap for solo pvp, but why would you want to solo with such a massive investment?
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Tanith YarnDemon
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Posted - 2008.11.19 22:49:00 -
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 Originally by: Sojet
Edited by: Sojet on 19/11/2008 22:35:28
Maybe the fact that it quadruples your tank?
If the enemy sees you healing all your battle buddies back to full every few seconds, then you're going to get shot a fair bit. If you're standard tank isn't enough to cope, just flip it on and bask in 7500+ sustainable tank, while you're still-living friends shoot them. You don't have to use remote reps while using it.
Sure, its total crap for solo pvp, but why would you want to solo with such a massive investment?
The problem is simple.
1. Cap. You don't have any. It's as easy as that.
2. If you're in a fleet, you're tank will be worse since your mates can't rep you.
3. If you're in a small gang, you're dropping some 2k dps to be able to not really rep more, but do it faster in bursts.
There are basically 2 uses for it, one is spotrepping, place one or a few in a safe spot such as near a pos or a cloaked support fleet, and have your primaried sniper bs stop by and get repped back up and warp back. |
Jonna Andromedae
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Posted - 2008.11.19 23:09:00 -
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Noobs...
You use Triage carrier or MS from inside the POS. You have full cap fitting and you snatch more stront from POS corporate hangar. And rep your fleet while it kills stupid RA dreadnoughts and carriers. 
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Tanith YarnDemon
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Posted - 2008.11.19 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jonna Andromedae
Noobs...
You use Triage carrier or MS from inside the POS. You have full cap fitting and you snatch more stront from POS corporate hangar. And rep your fleet while it kills stupid RA dreadnoughts and carriers.
Good luck with that.
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Felix Dzerzhinsky
Caldari
Wreckless Abandon
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:10:00 -
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Triage needs a overhaul. true
The current best use of the triage mode is to rep POSs - but the risk is high |
Wil Smithx
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.20 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon
Originally by: Jonna Andromedae
Noobs...
You use Triage carrier or MS from inside the POS. You have full cap fitting and you snatch more stront from POS corporate hangar. And rep your fleet while it kills stupid RA dreadnoughts and carriers.
Good luck with that.
Stupid me for forgetting that motherships have the ''can lock through forcefields'' special ability. |
BiggestT
Caldari
Space Oddysey
Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.11.20 02:27:00 -
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Originally by: Wil Smithx
Originally by: Tanith YarnDemon
Originally by: Jonna Andromedae
Noobs...
You use Triage carrier or MS from inside the POS. You have full cap fitting and you snatch more stront from POS corporate hangar. And rep your fleet while it kills stupid RA dreadnoughts and carriers.
Good luck with that.
Stupid me for forgetting that motherships have the ''can lock through forcefields'' special ability.
aww u beat me to it..I wanted to spank the noob! :P |
Sharker2k3
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.11.20 05:03:00 -
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Well I'm not a carrier pilot (yet) but from what I've seen the best use of them is to remote rep POS's. It'd really only be useful in fleets if you somehow magically don't get primaried. |
Bloody Rabbit
Jita Miners
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Posted - 2008.11.20 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Sharker2k3
Well I'm not a carrier pilot (yet) but from what I've seen the best use of them is to remote rep POS's. It'd really only be useful in fleets if you somehow magically don't get primaried.
lol
Everyone knows that the best use for carriers are to carry crap from one side of the universe to the other. |
Wil Smithx
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.20 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bloody Rabbit
Originally by: Sharker2k3
Well I'm not a carrier pilot (yet) but from what I've seen the best use of them is to remote rep POS's. It'd really only be useful in fleets if you somehow magically don't get primaried.
lol
Everyone knows that the best use for carriers are to carry crap from one side of the universe to the other.
I'd like to be able to deny this, but my carrier still gets used instead of my rorqual (damned 11.55ly jump).
Carriers can be good at combat though, the remote rep, ability to carry spare combat ships and high damage do make them devastating when used right. |
Arte
AFK
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Posted - 2008.11.20 07:39:00 -
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The module works in theory but in the practical situations where you need the benefits, it doesn't quite work out.
For what it's worth, Zulupark gave a hint that things might improve.
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
Triage module balance:
Yes, we plan great things for Triage modules.
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Rajere
No Trademark
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Posted - 2008.11.20 14:36:00 -
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Triage mode can be used for RR bonus if you're repping a pos or whatever, saves time I guess, I don't do POS warfare so I dunno.
Triage mode can also be used for the local rep bonus, if you've done something silly and gotten your carrier tackled off a station/out of POS shields, but only when A: the extra repping will help you tank their DPS (they lack DPS or Neuts to overpower your Triaged tank, which is roughly equivalent to a sieged dread's tank) and B: Your backup can get their in time to save you before their backup gets there in time to finish you off.
I've never used triage, but I have fought a carrier which used triage to RR his gang mates battleships/other subcaps, so that our gang's blackops/other subcaps couldn't kill them. We just warped the blackops off, docked, jump cloned, and cyno'd in caps. I want to say that the triage mode is what kept him stuck there off station long enough for us to get back in time, but idk for sure, he could have also been out of triage waiting for the cyno to go down on devoter that brought him into the fight. Either way, at that point triage mode let him tank for a decently long time, but ultimately he was still going to die triage or not, the only thing that would have saved him once we were in place to (re)tackle him off station would have been for his backup to arrive before ours did, and it didn't.
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How to Fail at Eve
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Wil Smithx
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.20 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Rajere
Triage mode can be used for RR bonus if you're repping a pos or whatever, saves time I guess, I don't do POS warfare so I dunno.
Triage mode can also be used for the local rep bonus, if you've done something silly and gotten your carrier tackled off a station/out of POS shields, but only when A: the extra repping will help you tank their DPS (they lack DPS or Neuts to overpower your Triaged tank, which is roughly equivalent to a sieged dread's tank) and B: Your backup can get their in time to save you before their backup gets there in time to finish you off.
I've never used triage, but I have fought a carrier which used triage to RR his gang mates battleships/other subcaps, so that our gang's blackops/other subcaps couldn't kill them. We just warped the blackops off, docked, jump cloned, and cyno'd in caps. I want to say that the triage mode is what kept him stuck there off station long enough for us to get back in time, but idk for sure, he could have also been out of triage waiting for the cyno to go down on devoter that brought him into the fight. Either way, at that point triage mode let him tank for a decently long time, but ultimately he was still going to die triage or not, the only thing that would have saved him once we were in place to (re)tackle him off station would have been for his backup to arrive before ours did, and it didn't.
It was almost certainly triage that killed him. (well that and the fact he was nooby enough to fit it in the first place)
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Ort Lofthus
Wildlands Heavy Technologies
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.11.21 01:09:00 -
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Triage is a powerful and effective module if you use it correctly. Used incorrectly, its a good way to waste a bunch of isk. Even used well, you still run a good risk of dying.
The only problem with triage is that it pins you in place for a very long time, relative to how long you are going to be needing it. 10 minutes on a dread is fine, and its likely to be in siege a lot longer than 10 minutes, but a triage carrier rarely goes into triage for more than one cycle unless its POS repping. |
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