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Surius
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:44:00 -
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As par the title I have a question conserning autocannons. I see alot of fits using 220mm Vulcan auto 2's for a medium size gun. This strikes me as a little odd since it's the mid grade autocannon. I would think that the 425mm auto's would be better seeing as the damage is higher and only a small hit for tracking speed. I'll be using barrage m if that matters pretty much exclusively (since I've got the bpo) so that should make up for the tracking speed difference or at least help. Thoughts?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 08:55:00 -
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Easier fittings.
Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart |
Surius
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:01:00 -
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Ah, well my weapon and advanced weapon upgrades are both 5 so grid really isn't the issue. So it's pretty much 425's all the way if they fit, thanks. I was thinking maybe I missed something since from what I've seen a good half of the ship fittings listed in the forum used the 220's.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:07:00 -
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Actually, some other issues. Such as tracking, however as stated fitting is THE reason. And really quite or even most of the setups expect you to have WU and AWU 5 these days, there's always other things to fit.
Mind you d180 AC's are also considered quite often, and considered equal or almost equal to the 220's. |
Furb Killer
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:10:00 -
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DPS and range difference is also very small, so it doesnt matter that much which ones you fit. |
Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Surius
Ah, well my weapon and advanced weapon upgrades are both 5 so grid really isn't the issue. So it's pretty much 425's all the way if they fit, thanks. I was thinking maybe I missed something since from what I've seen a good half of the ship fittings listed in the forum used the 220's.
High Horse much? AWU 5 doesn't take away the almost twice as much grid they use compared to 180'ies. If you want to buffer/MWD your vaga or hurricane, 425's simply do not fit.
Wyvern & Chimera fitting flowchart |
Surius
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Posted - 2008.11.21 09:42:00 -
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Well they're going on a myrm....not a vaga/cane but yeah, if it's just a grid issue they fit, though not by much. |
d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:51:00 -
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Not taking tracking or reload dt into account the diff in DPS between tiers is about 5%.
So 425 really just aren't worth the effort unless you have a huge amount of grid to spare. If you do have a vast amount of grid kicking around you probably have more important upgrades you could invest in; Larger plates, more useful items in your utility highs and so on.
Also Barrage isn't always the best ammo to use, sure for fall off related fighting is is superb but PP will always have a role against TII amarr and faction Emp is still the most damaging general use ac ammo.
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Galan Undris
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Posted - 2008.11.21 10:59:00 -
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Edited by: Galan Undris on 21/11/2008 11:00:20
Autocannons are also missing the range advantage you get from upsizing guns that you get with other weapon systems. Since falloff is the same across all autos of the same tier, and almost all of their range is in falloff you don't get any measningfull effect on you range.
With all other turrets you can trade tracking and grid in for a slight range and damage advantage, with autos you trade the same tracking and grid in, but only get half the benefit back.
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Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.11.21 11:26:00 -
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5% DPS difference is quite noticeable, tbh. Especially when soloing. But as it was said.. you will have to make sacrifices in order to fit full rack of 425s and in most cases it's just not worth it.
Now, mixing guns is quite viable though, i.e. 3 425s, 3 220s on a Cane, since they don't have any range difference to speak of. But most folks don't bother with doing that, as it doesn't yield all that much. And with abundance of frigs post-patch you can't have "too much" tracking anyway  |
Eleneor
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Posted - 2008.11.21 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Surius
As par the title I have a question conserning autocannons. I see alot of fits using 220mm Vulcan auto 2's for a medium size gun. This strikes me as a little odd since it's the mid grade autocannon. I would think that the 425mm auto's would be better seeing as the damage is higher and only a small hit for tracking speed. I'll be using barrage m if that matters pretty much exclusively (since I've got the bpo) so that should make up for the tracking speed difference or at least help. Thoughts?
From the wording here it seems you're thinking that Barrage has a tracking bonus on it. Just like to point out that it's a tracking malus, not bonus. |
Mortuus
Minmatar
Fat J
Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.22 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Mortuus on 22/11/2008 02:07:43
I use all 3 medium ACs for different things.
D180's for when I expect to deal with high speed targets or my own high speed. (not so much now)
220's are a good all around gun and easy to fit, but since speeds have lowered and I can use lowslots for other mods such as a PDU instead of stacking speed mods I swapped up.
425's hit like a truck, use less ammo, and fit easily on all of my fits (so I use them). The tracking isn't a big issue really, they use less ammo, give slightly more range, and much higher burst damage. 9.36x damage mod with a 2.32 RoF is quite nasty. This is my preferred kill weapon. 100ish kills with a ship armed with these in the last 2 weeks or so.
THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART
Do not sacrifice your fitting to squeeze on larger guns.
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Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.11.22 09:43:00 -
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The Sleipnir rocks with 7 425's, but on smaller stuff it's often a tight fit and as others have mentioned you don't loose that much using 220's
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