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kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.21 14:30:00 - [1] Edited by: kor anon on 21/11/2008 14:32:38 Wondering if any improvements can be made on this setup: HS II HS II HS II ANM II DC II 1600mm RT X5 inhibitor X5 inhibitor 10MN Digi rockets Fleeting warp disruptor HP II HP II FMP II FMP II FMP II FMP II FMP II medium nos ec-600 conflags edit: oh and the stats : 520 DPS, 12k base armour, resists 50+, cap stable
Dreadpilot Roberts R.U.S.T. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.21 14:39:00 - [2] maybe not using cosmos AB ? just a thought ... considering it costs more than a harbi
Cpt Branko Surge.	Posted - 2008.11.21 14:44:00 - [3] Originally by: Dreadpilot Roberts maybe not using cosmos AB ? just a thought ... considering it costs more than a harbi No, it needs cosmos reps. I once got 100M out of a Hurricane solo kill, 2x meditation reps dropped. After that, every cosmos fit ship gets my 100% seal of approval.
Tocoyon Amarr Tercera Fundacion	Posted - 2008.11.21 14:50:00 - [4] Hi what are HP II FMP II best regards
Mona X Caldari Polish Task Forces C0VEN	Posted - 2008.11.21 14:56:00 - [5] Edited by: Mona X on 21/11/2008 14:57:15 Switch conflags for Amarr Navy MF. Little less damage (551 vs. 543) and no t2 penalty. IF ANM is Adaptive Nano Plating II, then consider Corpii/Centii/Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating. Originally by: Tocoyon Hi what are HP II FMP II Heavy Pulse and Focused Medium Pulse.
Tocoyon Amarr Tercera Fundacion	Posted - 2008.11.21 15:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Mona X Edited by: Mona X on 21/11/2008 14:59:38 Switch conflags for Amarr Navy MF. Little less damage (551 vs. 543 on All 5 character) and no t2 penalty. IF ANM is Adaptive Nano Plating II, then consider Corpii/Centii/Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating. Originally by: Tocoyon Hi what are HP II FMP II Heavy Pulse and Focused Medium Pulse. thanks
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.21 15:10:00 - [7] Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 21/11/2008 15:11:35 Does switching to an 800mm RRT allow you to fit a full rack of HP II's? If so, I think that'd be very much worth it. Also consider getting t2 webs/disruptors, really gets you most bang for your buck. EDIT: Also, get Scorch M balls for all your guns. You won't always be fighting inside that 7-8km window, and even if you do, you might want to consider AN Multi M because of the superior tracking. Conflagration really sucks if it comes to that.
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.21 15:27:00 - [8] Edited by: kor anon on 21/11/2008 15:28:06 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 21/11/2008 15:11:35 Does switching to an 800mm RRT allow you to fit a full rack of HP II's? If so, I think that'd be very much worth it. Also consider getting t2 webs/disruptors, really gets you most bang for your buck. EDIT: Also, get Scorch M balls for all your guns. You won't always be fighting inside that 7-8km window, and even if you do, you might want to consider AN Multi M because of the superior tracking. Conflagration really sucks if it comes to that. No it would be a 5/2 split in favor of HP II, but i only gain another 50 dps Im using named web/scram as CPU is very tight, but the actual difference is not substantial. Oh and guys Digi booster is a MWD not an AB
Grarr Dexx Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.21 15:34:00 - [9] Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 21/11/2008 15:28:06 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 21/11/2008 15:11:35 Does switching to an 800mm RRT allow you to fit a full rack of HP II's? If so, I think that'd be very much worth it. Also consider getting t2 webs/disruptors, really gets you most bang for your buck. EDIT: Also, get Scorch M balls for all your guns. You won't always be fighting inside that 7-8km window, and even if you do, you might want to consider AN Multi M because of the superior tracking. Conflagration really sucks if it comes to that. No it would be a 5/2 split in favor of HP II, but i only gain another 50 dps Im using named web/scram as CPU is very tight, but the actual difference is not substantial. Oh and guys Digi booster is a MWD not an AB (check contracts for them, if they even exist)
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.21 15:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Originally by: kor anon Edited by: kor anon on 21/11/2008 15:28:06 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 21/11/2008 15:11:35 Does switching to an 800mm RRT allow you to fit a full rack of HP II's? If so, I think that'd be very much worth it. Also consider getting t2 webs/disruptors, really gets you most bang for your buck. EDIT: Also, get Scorch M balls for all your guns. You won't always be fighting inside that 7-8km window, and even if you do, you might want to consider AN Multi M because of the superior tracking. Conflagration really sucks if it comes to that. No it would be a 5/2 split in favor of HP II, but i only gain another 50 dps Im using named web/scram as CPU is very tight, but the actual difference is not substantial. Oh and guys Digi booster is a MWD not an AB (check contracts for them, if they even exist) actually instead i could go for a named nos and get a proper MWD. opening post edited as such.
Furb Killer Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.21 17:24:00 - [11] Edited by: Furb Killer on 21/11/2008 17:25:41 Imo: 1. Drop nos (i think small one fits, but might give cpu issues), drop plate to 800m, switch to HPs Or 2. Drop heatsink for EANM for more tank. If you want 3 HS for gank, you should also use HPs imo, if you use FMPs go more tankie. Edit: Oh a tusker, please use digital booster rockets, so i can earn something better than t2 by shooting tuskers
kor anon Amarr The Tuskers	Posted - 2008.11.22 13:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Furb Killer Edited by: Furb Killer on 21/11/2008 17:25:41 Imo: 1. Drop nos (i think small one fits, but might give cpu issues), drop plate to 800m, switch to HPs Or 2. Drop heatsink for EANM for more tank. If you want 3 HS for gank, you should also use HPs imo, if you use FMPs go more tankie. Edit: Oh a tusker, please use digital booster rockets, so i can earn something better than t2 by shooting tuskers okeydoke editreply:
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.11.22 14:24:00 - [13] Carry Scorch. You may want to switch a 2nd web for a short range scrambler, but its up to you. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
kill 1	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:36:00 - [14] ive flown this fit for a wile and there is no problem with it works really well in roming gangs i fit low slots 800 rolled tungstone dc2 1 adaptive 2 3 x hs 2 mids ab 2 disruptor 2 scram 2 x5 web hi's hp 2 con hp 2 con hp 2 con hp 2 con hp 2 con hp 2 con rigs 3 x trimark gives ove 52,000 hp with minimum resits a 50% and over 1500dps per volly
Eternal Light Caldari PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.12.18 13:40:00 - [15] I use this fit and work pretty nice : 7x focused pulse II, 1x smartbomb offline (for heat) 1x 10mn mwd II, 1x med cap inj, 1x web, 1x disruptor II 1x mar II, 1x 1600mm rt, 2x eanm ss, 1x dc II, 1x hs II 3x trimark (29k armor) 5x valkyrie II -------------------------------------------- From The Darkness Comes The Light --------------------------------------------
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:01:00 - [16] Edited by: Garia666 on 18/12/2008 15:04:08 7 x focused medium pulse 1 x 10mn mwd II 1 web II 1 x med capbooster II 1 x 1600 mm thungsten 1 x cap power relay II 1 x damage control II 2 x ean II 1 x heatsink II tri marks couple of drones www.garia.net
Malar Velrom	Posted - 2008.12.18 15:36:00 - [17] so the tuskers are thinking of BC's now eh? intersting indeed =p
Discordance Axis Gallente United Systems Navy Unitary Enterprises	Posted - 2008.12.18 19:53:00 - [18] Edited by: Discordance Axis on 18/12/2008 19:54:26 my setup for small gangs: [Harbinger, heavy pulse pvp] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Warp Disruptor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Drones&ammo can be swapped to personal preference. Can use the MWD longer in this setup than in the OP one. Battlecruisers are not very fast so i prefer having ability of using MWD a bit longer when needed Edit: fit somthing small in last high for overheating.
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:15:00 - [19] Originally by: Discordance Axis Edited by: Discordance Axis on 18/12/2008 19:54:26 my setup for small gangs: [Harbinger, heavy pulse pvp] Damage Control II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 400 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Warp Disruptor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty high slot] Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 Drones&ammo can be swapped to personal preference. Can use the MWD longer in this setup than in the OP one. Battlecruisers are not very fast so i prefer having ability of using MWD a bit longer when needed Edit: fit somthing small in last high for overheating. primary, you die fast :)
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:29:00 - [20] There are two schools of thought that I have identified when it comes to the Harbinger. Plate/Tank: Repairer, 1600 plate, EANM, DCU, 2x HS, 7x FMPII. Rigs to increase hitpoints. Gank: Repairer, DCU, 2x EANM, 2x HS, HPII. Rigs to increase damage. Dpending on who and what you fly with both are viable, personally I prefer the all-out gank, don't have the patience to whittle a target down or watch someone do it to me
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:31:00 - [21] Why ruin such a good ship with an armor tank? [Harbinger, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Co-Processor II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 If you don't have the skills for the gang mod, change it to a neut and you can upgrade the guns to HP IIs. But if you do have them, the bonus from a gang mod is much more helpful to your fleet than a little more dps from HP IIs. -----------
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Fit Meh fit. Couple tips 1. Stay away from Neuts. You have no way to recover cap when its gone. 2. Stay away from other Harbs, as they can hit you harder (thanks to lol worthy EM resist) and be able to track you just as well you can track them. 3. Stay away from close range ships. The Harb has two options. If he wants to keep you comfortably in Scorch range at all times, he needs to be aligned AWAY from you the whole time. What do you do? You burn the opposite direction, escape his point range and live another day. If the Harb thinks he can try to orbit you inside his optimal, you watch his orbit, and set your ship to intercept it. Manually align your ship to where he'll be in roughly 20-30 seconds, overheat the MWD and land in that spot. The Harb isn't agile enough to change course fast enough and all you have to get is get within 13km and its all over. 4. This is the one nobody really talks about. You need tacklers, lots of them in a gang. Its easier in QR to escape combat than ever before, mainly due to 60% webs. I think the Harb is better served with an armor tank with an MWD/pt/web/injector in the mids for a few reasons a. You can switch between Amarr Navy Multi and Scorch depending on the target. If you go for close range tackle, its high damage, go in and web the target and if its long range kiting, you can still do that. b. The cap injector allows you to be able survive being neuted, as well as giving you the ability to use the MWD much more often. c. Nobody in your gang cares what your ship does if your target harmlessly MWDs out of your point range and lives to fight another day. The fact of the matter, is in QR, the more tackle, the better. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Eternal Light Caldari PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Why ruin such a good ship with an armor tank? [Harbinger, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Co-Processor II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Warp Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 If you don't have the skills for the gang mod, change it to a neut and you can upgrade the guns to HP IIs. But if you do have them, the bonus from a gang mod is much more helpful to your fleet than a little more dps from HP IIs. huhu 1vs1 merin your harbi vs my harbi? :) -------------------------------------------- From The Darkness Comes The Light --------------------------------------------
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Eternal Light huhu 1vs1 merin your harbi vs my harbi? :) And what would that prove? That one ship has a bit moar dps and or tank than another single ship in an artificial engagment that never happens in the course of normal play on tq? Btw you forgot the two em and one thremal resist rigs on your setup Merin. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
goodby4u Valor Inc.	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:32:00 - [25] Edited by: goodby4u on 18/12/2008 23:35:57 This is my setup and it has served me well through 9 wars, and about 20 pvp ops. 7x focused pulse II 1x heatsink(for me offlined remote rep). 1x 10mn ab 1x x5 web 1x warp disruptor II 1x electrochem cap booster(800s). 1x med rep II 1x eanm II 1x damage control II 2x heatsink IIs 1x 1600mm RT. 5x valkyr IIs(or Is if your going to prowl around lowsec gates).
Eternal Light Caldari PARABELUM-Project	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:56:00 - [26] Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Eternal Light huhu 1vs1 merin your harbi vs my harbi? :) And what would that prove? That one ship has a bit moar dps and or tank than another single ship in an artificial engagment that never happens in the course of normal play on tq? Btw you forgot the two em and one thremal resist rigs on your setup Merin. you need to know merin to understand. -------------------------------------------- From The Darkness Comes The Light --------------------------------------------
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.18 23:59:00 - [27] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 18/12/2008 23:59:25 Assuming gang got tackle the shiled one get decent resitances (I have not warfare gang mod skills): [Harbinger, Shield Tanked] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Co-Processor II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Vespa EC-600 x5 Neut for pesky frigs.
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.12.19 00:02:00 - [28] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 18/12/2008 23:59:25 Assuming gang got tackle the shiled one get decent resitances (I have not warfare gang mod skills): [Harbinger, Shield Tanked] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Co-Processor II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Vespa EC-600 x5 Neut for pesky frigs. i want to find more people with this fit, just the easy kill mail comedy
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2008.12.19 01:55:00 - [29] Originally by: Yoko Lee Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 18/12/2008 23:59:25 Assuming gang got tackle the shiled one get decent resitances (I have not warfare gang mod skills): [Harbinger, Shield Tanked] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Co-Processor II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Vespa EC-600 x5 Neut for pesky frigs. i want to find more people with this fit, just the easy kill mail comedy Did I say I fly it? :P Besides it has decent buffer actually, tho to weak on cap for any prolonged fights. Tho I also said gang, not solo. There is a big difference, you should know.
Padan Fain	Posted - 2008.12.19 01:59:00 - [30] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 18/12/2008 23:59:25 Assuming gang got tackle the shiled one get decent resitances (I have not warfare gang mod skills): [Harbinger, Shield Tanked] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Co-Processor II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Small Energy Neutralizer II Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Vespa EC-600 x5 Neut for pesky frigs. Dude, SRSLY, WTF. If you ever put shield mods on an Amarr ship ninjas show up at your house and kill your dog.

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