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evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.21 23:22:00 - [1] Currently you can change your character's face. I would like the option to change the character name. Could charge a fee, could be part of buying a character, could be free. I feel it would be nice for someone who bought a character to change the characters identity, remove former associations. Someone who wanted a specific character name, that wasn't available at the time of creation is now available (biomass processing). Anyone who would change the picture of their character would surely be interested in changing the name. an argument: Quote: Allows corp thieves to change their character name and continue stealing without the community knowing or being able to track the character. You can already do this. Simply by buying a new character. Now money is transferred directly to the character being sold, so there isn't necessary a post to track who bought it. And an alt could have been used anyway. Quote: Makes pilot specific intel difficult to track. For example if there is a titan pilot that you are keeping track of being logged in, if he changes the character name you lose that intel. Was the buddy list an intended intel tool, like local? Quote: Could cause problems for kill rights. If this was tied to the character name rather than some other value associated with the character, it could be a problem. Easy fix would be require that the character doesn't have any kill rights. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.23 02:56:00 - [2] Edited by: evilphoenix on 23/11/2008 02:57:46 Originally by: Treelox no to easily exploitable to hide scammers, thieves and other nefarious sorts. Why make their task of hiding even easier? What is the difference between buying a new character and changing your character's name? Maybe include name changes in corp history? And I support this. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.23 16:56:00 - [3] Edited by: evilphoenix on 23/11/2008 16:56:25 Added idea to the features and ideas forum. For suggestions to the proposal. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=931639 --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.25 23:12:00 - [4] More support? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.26 20:57:00 - [5] Increase the cost each time you do it? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.27 23:47:00 - [6] Edited by: evilphoenix on 27/11/2008 23:49:34 Maybe some time limit to be associated with the character's former name. This way when you buy a new character anyone who is obsessed with tracking it can, and can see that the name was changed. And for those whom insist it makes scammers easy to hide... what do you do hunt them down? Why don't they just create a new character on their account? And you should check the support this feature check box. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.11.29 15:11:00 - [7] We need YOU to show your support for this! --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.01 11:29:00 - [8] As you can see there are several ideas how to reduce the "scam" factor. Please show your support. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.03 02:01:00 - [9] Edited by: evilphoenix on 03/12/2008 02:06:29 I actually find it odd how many people oppose it because they feel it makes scamming easy. Originally by: Jah'Ret Khan No, I mean creating lists of corp members within a corp and listing their prefered ships and fitouts, areas they are active and then using Locator Agents to monitor their movements. I'm talking real intel. Now stop trash talking my trash talking, your suppositions are just lazy and not very intelligent. Except, as suggested I'm fine with some type of pointer to associate the new name. It would be horrible for you to update your "intel" with the character's new name... And isn't that the whole point of having a spy in this hypothetical corp? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.04 23:01:00 - [10] Edited by: evilphoenix on 04/12/2008 23:03:38 I would be interested in a counter counter argument to my counter argument about griefers, corp thieves, scammers, and undesirable players just buying a new character to continue to grief, thieve, scam, and be undesirable. If someone has a desire to do the above, game mechanics already allow this and it's pretty darn easy. AND that is if they want to spend money to buy a 'legit' looking character with a corp history, agent data, market data, and anything else you check. They COULD just create an alt on their current account to do the same thing. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.07 21:49:00 - [11] Originally by: Katsuhiro Kusanagi absolutely not. scammers are rife enough without this. Also it would kind of mess up things if you are hunting someone to kill... People would just go 'Oshi, ive upset half the galaxy, time for a name change...' Or they could just sell the account, and buy a new one to scam you with... I'm really tired of this logic. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.08 16:27:00 - [12] Change your character's name! Support this cause! --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.09 22:35:00 - [13] Any CSMs for comment? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.10 22:30:00 - [14] Post to show your support! --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.12 23:33:00 - [15] Please post support, or comment on the proposal. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.13 18:46:00 - [16] Originally by: Kordel Trask I'm all for this. I believe us many of us just created a casual character when we started just to check things out. After I had been in for a few months and started figuring out how Eve worked I was reluctant to create a new characters and lose those months of training. If nothing else let it be a once in a lifetime. thing. Keep the characters history and standings but change the name. Per character/per account? So when you buy a character you can change the name of it? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.17 22:09:00 - [17] Like I've said before... I would really like to see someone explain how this helps scammers, et al because you can already do it! Buy a character or create an alt! --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.19 23:03:00 - [18] Balancing and price should be left up to CCP. You have to hope they do it correctly, and express your concerns. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.20 18:02:00 - [19] Play style change? Decide you actually do enjoy this internet space ship game after creating a temporary character? Decide you want to RP? Then support changing your name! --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.24 01:20:00 - [20] Please support this proposal. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.27 16:32:00 - [21] People can already get around YOU keeping track of THEM by buying a new character, selling their character that damaged you, or by creating an alt on the same account. Let people who've purchased a character, changed play styles, or decided they like this game after all change their name. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.30 02:06:00 - [22] Originally by: SFShootme Sweet i'm totally gonna stop bieing called primary.... bad idea The other option is members are required to change their names to get specific orders of primary. So what if you have a whole alliance full of: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz9999 CCP gets their money from charging for the service, and those of us who what to change our character name can. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.12.31 22:03:00 - [23] Please support this topic. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.03 05:45:00 - [24] You can also do it in the United States, in most first person shooters, and some online forums. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.06 02:49:00 - [25] Please support this proposal. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.06 23:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Motaka NO you chose your name live with it,bought your account tough,should of had the patience to create your own character. Obviously people already live with it. Just because YOU don't want to change your name doesn't mean someone else wouldn't like to. Just because YOU don't care about your character's name doesn't mean that everyone else doesn't care about their character's names. Once again I'll say that we should leave the limit to name changes up to CCP or their balancing team. Why limit it? If they charge money for it, that would limit some people. Depending on implementation CCP/GMs could view names that were changed to prevent people "One Upping" one another. Pretty common request to create a "name tab" or some other method of tracking the character name. Once again, I am only requesting the ability to change my character name not spell out exactly how it is implemented, the fee, or anything of that sort. All of those tasks should fall on CCP to determine what is fair and balanced. Here is another example of where it would be nice: In your corporation you have a rank structure (or faction warfare?) When your character was created you created a "Lt Bob" But as far as your corp is concerned you're a Colonel, it would be nice to make your name match right? Or you just want to add that to your character name "General evilphoenix" anyone? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.10 01:07:00 - [27] You know you want to! Just think if you support this, you too could become 'evilphoenix'!
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.12 14:57:00 - [28] Please support this. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.15 01:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Ecatherina W Edited by: Ecatherina W on 14/01/2009 12:07:28 Against - and strongly so! First of all - if you are allowed to change the characters name, are you also allowed to remove the employment history? Because if suddenly Joe Average is showing as having been in my corp and I am convoed by a CEO for a reference - then I will have to say "Eh, we never had a Joe Average, we did have a Joe Dumbass, but I have no way to know if it is the same guy..." bla bla bla That's why you ask your new "recruit" for references from previous corps. Then you talk to them. You get references from from these references. Talk to them. Then you repeat until you're either satisfied with your recruit, or have learned enough to deny this recruit, or are bored and realize it's a game. Doesn't anyone know how to do a real background check these days?
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:05:00 - [30] Originally by: LaVista Vista If you cared about your character name, you wouldn't give your character such a stupid name that you would want to change it. Neither would you buy characters with silly names. No support from me. Thank you for your reply. Now why won't you support it? I think every argument against has been thoroughly debunked. The exact implementation is up to CCP, character name history or whatever. Which, as a CSM, you would have a say in.
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.18 15:58:00 - [31] Please support this topic. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.20 22:04:00 - [32] What is the critical number of supports before a CSM will champion the proposal? Any other CSMs willing to comment on this? Clearly your character names are important to you now, because you'll always be known as a CSM, unless afterwords you want to escape that title... --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.23 01:19:00 - [33] Please support this proposal.
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.24 17:40:00 - [34] Originally by: LEGO Commander Hey... WoW lets you do it. Change your appearance, change your name... all for a nominal fee. I guess if you don't have an awesome name like I do... you can change it if you want. You sir are probably the only supporter who doesn't want to change his/her name. Thank you for your support.
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.29 22:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Efrim Black Make it the cost double everytime it's used, starting at 25 million. 50/100/200/400/800/1.6 bil etc etc. Until some kind of extreme cost for Concord allowing a name change, I do not support. If thats not viable, try picking a good name from the beginning? I would expect they would want cashy money for this service, much like changing your character picture. That is a dev/balance team issue let them determine the specifics. Just give us the option! --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.30 03:04:00 - [36] Originally by: Omber Zombie evil - I'm somewhat on the fence on your proposal, and so is the playerbase it seems. While you do have 54 supports, you also have 135 replies in total, of which about 20 are you bumping the thread and most of the rest against it. Basically a 50/50 split after you take into account the people who also supported without a thumbs up. Convince more people to give it a thumbs up and I'll consider backing it. Linkage The majority of the against were worried about being scammed by the same person (IRL) but they just renamed the character using my proposal. The easy counter is, I scam you for 2b. Get on the forums, buy a new character for 1b with an alt. No record of my 'scamming' character ever buying a new character, and I scam you again. Oh, and I can sell my 'scamming' character and give someone else the headache of your 'grief'. All perfectly fine with CCP. Then some whom are against it strongly believe that a character name means something. Clearly, I do too since I want to pick something else. So if a character name is so important, then why not let me change my character name? Then the rest are worried we'll start having fleets where you call primaries starting with zzz and then zzzz and so on. I would expect that would happen, but short of some type of 'alliance/corp' mandate on changing your character name I don't expect everyone to do this. So with that, give me more reasons why this is a bad idea. Also, there have been items voted on that didn't have half as many supports. There have been items voted on that didn't have a majority of the community supporting it, which why should it? The nano nerf had maybe 50% support? I felt suicide ganking was fine. I think using an Orca to enable a -10 to suicide someone is genius. So clearly, I'm on the opposite side of these arguments, but I'm not alone and they was, is, or did get discussed or passed.
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.01.31 02:54:00 - [37] Originally by: Ignition SemperFi no So constructive, I guess if all else fails just disagree without reason. I will say, I do like that quote about not being paranoid.
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.01 14:26:00 - [38] Edited by: evilphoenix on 01/02/2009 14:34:49 Originally by: Omber Zombie yup, because abusing the person you want to take up your cause is a wonderful way of getting them to do it This is very rarely the way to go. I have always tried to be civil, and would like to encourage anyone whom feels strongly about this proposal or any proposal to do the same. Quote: If you do not wish to listen to the people and champion the people's ideas then gtfo out of the CSM. Obviously anyone who plays is going to have some opinions, thoughts, or ideas about the game. Some we agree on, some we do not. Some we don't care about either way. I think the point here is, there have been topics with much less visibility that have been brought forth to the CSM. There are only two CSM who have taken the time to reply. So the 'attack' isn't directed at solely Omber Zombie. I do realize you probably get messages like this and eve mails constantly, I know I sent a few eve mails :-p, but if I knew this was being read by the CSM, and had an idea where each of you stood I could debate my case. Originally by: LaVista Vista If you cared about your character name, you wouldn't give your character such a stupid name that you would want to change it. Neither would you buy characters with silly names. No support from me. You've never heard of someone whom created a character for the trial on a whim and then came to love the game but didn't want to sacrifice all the skill time they put into the character to create another? Don't think I've seen many characters sell on the forums because it had a cool name, most of us whom buy characters buy them because we want to fly more cool ships, or more specialized ships (skill points). Obviously the skill points are more important to me than the character's name. As they're important to the majority of players whom buy characters, but I've seen a few who didn't sell, or didn't get as much as they could because the name was horrible. I would think by supporting this proposal you would help the character market because now YOU can buy a more elite character and rename it to LaVista Vista! And all those crappy character names can be changed, thus anyone who cares enough not to buy a character with a bad name can now change it. Did I mention that you can already buy a character and off load your scamming character thus hiding your identity? *edit added reply to LaVista Vista.
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.04 02:26:00 - [39] I like the idea of a skill set to get info out of characters such as an alias. I think that maybe if it were to be implemented that way, that may ease the minds of the players whom feel that someone can hide from them. Are there really that many of you that are stalkers?! I disagree with limiting. If they charge real money, that's a revenue stream for CCP which is good for them and what is good for them is generally good for the players. If they charge isk, sure have it double each time or something, nice isk sink. I'll say it again, the implementation should be left up to CCP or the CSM. There are balancing concerns, cost concerns, ect.. that's what they get paid to do. Can we just agree that the having the ability to change your character name would be a desired feature?
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.06 22:36:00 - [40] Show your support, encourage the CSM to vote on this!
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.12 22:23:00 - [41] Originally by: Marlona Sky Horrible idea. Only useful for thieves and people who screw over 4+ yrs of an alliances hard work with the click of one button... If your worried about people holding a grudge and tracking you down for the rest of your eve career then maybe don't do it? Will not support a 'Get out of jail free' card. Such a heart wrenching argument. So you petition every character sale eh? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.14 22:41:00 - [42] Please show your support for this proposal. --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.15 13:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Lunewrath I don't support this. You picked a name out of a Chinese take out menu, suffer. Implement name changes and you may as well shard the servers imo. Your name, your reputation, carries massive weight in this game (particularity if you misuse it). Ah yes... And who are you again? Did I mention you can buy or sell a character to dodge this mythical reputation if you so desire? Don't forget of course there are 300 thousand players, so you know all of the pirates, thieves, and crooks? --------
evilphoenix Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2009.02.20 22:37:00 - [44] Originally by: GATORAN I'm sorry I can't support this. Just because there are currently methods for thieves, scammers and spies to circumvent the name problem, buy new characters and the fact that there are other mechanics that are currently being used unintentionally, does NOT mean we should implement more ways to do it. Its simply a poor argument, sorry. :-/ While I feel that being terrified of scammers is a poor argument against this issue. As is popularly said if you can't afford to lose it don't fly it, if you can't afford to have it stolen don't allow someone else access to it. --------
evilphoenix Epic.	Posted - 2009.07.01 01:42:00 - [45] Please consider this CSM. --------

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