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Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 0	Posted - 2012.04.08 03:37:00 - [1] - Quote Im done with CCP kicking the can down the road with this one. I've left before, i dont mind leaving again. I will no longer support a game that allows for 5 neutral RRs to rep someone just to have them be scott free in 15 minutes. I will not support a game that allows for someone to wardec a corp, fight a little and then jump to another corp before finding an opportune time to jump back to the dec'd corp to hit on people and then go back when the fight is over. Im done with it. ***** had it. im not mad at losses, i have billions in my account, replace whatever the i want. Im just tired of ** programmers or Solution Architects who suck balls. Fix the issue. Your pissing newbs off, your pissing veterans off with over 100 m SP, your just pissing people off in general as you let these exploits go. This is worse than someone buying isk from a chinese farmer. Im not paying for a game when BETA-LIKE like this happens. IT feels like a game in BETA and your focused on "in-game' walking in station. Fix what you have first..... My suggestion is this... and im a technical lead for ericsson as well as have developed for many of the big fortune 500s. 24 hours they are red(if at war). Not this 15 minute crap most neutrals are tied to. 24 hours they cant hop corp after aggression(if at war) (tough **, dont aggress) if they join the "said" corp they cant fight when a fight is already going on... do a simple flag check with the corp and their aggression timer with the corp they are at war with. SOLVED kick this can farther down the street and im done with it
mxzf Shovel Bros 1167	Posted - 2012.04.08 03:55:00 - [2] - Quote Ok; don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Creat Posudol Destined for Greatness Inc. 52	Posted - 2012.04.08 03:55:00 - [3] - Quote You could've at least taken a look at recent Dev Blogs, the RR thing is one of the changes coming in Inferno. As for the corp hopping I really do hope it will be taken care of while they're at it. All the changes to the war mechanics make little to no sense if this isn't solved as well, and I'm pretty sure they know it (no official confirmation on it thus far though).
Gerrick Palivorn Caldari Provisions Caldari State 210	Posted - 2012.04.08 03:56:00 - [4] - Quote Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 0	Posted - 2012.04.08 03:57:00 - [5] - Quote SINCE YOU HAVE NO QA ILL GIVE THIS TO YOUR PM TEST CASE#1 Key: CORP "EXPLOITERS" WARDECCED CORP "CAREBEARS" CORP "WANNABE" is freidn of "EXPLOITERS" EXPLOTERS and CAREBEARS duke it out and fight. EXPLOITERS cry because CAREBEARS have teeth and call in WANNABE. WANNABE members join EXPLOITERS during a fight to kill CAREBEARS. ACTUAL: WANNABE's fight then go back to original corp afterward with only 15 minute aggression timer. EXPECTED: 24 hours time limit until WANNABEs can run away like little girls to their original corp to avoid fighting. hell no its not formal.... just fix it. And im not gonna draw you a picture.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 0	Posted - 2012.04.08 03:59:00 - [6] - Quote Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush
Gerrick Palivorn Caldari Provisions Caldari State 212	Posted - 2012.04.08 04:07:00 - [7] - Quote Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush Can I have your stuff then?
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 0	Posted - 2012.04.08 04:09:00 - [8] - Quote Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush Can I have your stuff then? like a typicval newb, do you mine for your plexes too? get a job kid
Gerrick Palivorn Caldari Provisions Caldari State 212	Posted - 2012.04.08 04:14:00 - [9] - Quote Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush Can I have your stuff then? like a typicval newb, do you mine for your plexes too? get a job kid If you need help, its the contracts button on your UI, set to private, type in Gerrick Palivorn, next button; make sure everything in that station is clicked x, next button; make sure all the numbers are 0, and set to 2 weeks, next button; create button; repeat for every station until you have nothing left. EDIT: you know mining is one of the most profitable ways to make isk now right?
Virgil Travis GWA Corp 126	Posted - 2012.04.08 04:42:00 - [10] - Quote Krezack wrote: im not gonna beat around the bush Is that a euphemism? Roses are red. Bacon is also red. Poems are hard. Bacon.
Simi Kusoni HelloKittyFanclub 548	Posted - 2012.04.08 05:40:00 - [11] - Quote Krezack wrote: My suggestion is this... and im a technical lead for ericsson as well as have developed for many of the big fortune 500s. I hear Ericsson project managers/technicians have all the best training in game design. Arguments from authority are more powerful when you claim to have a remotely relevant position. --Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK--
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 355	Posted - 2012.04.08 14:05:00 - [12] - Quote Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush So...it's not good enough that they're fixing it soon, you want it NOW FIX IT NOW!!1!111!!!!1 When you've finished throwing your toys out of the pram, contract me your stuff and go back to hello kitty online.
Nick Bison Bison Industrial Inc Thundering Herd 133	Posted - 2012.04.08 23:32:00 - [13] - Quote Since the OP obviously hasn't read any dev blogs nor paid attention to fanfest ... please go ahead and ragequit. One less whiner to worry about. Nothing clever at this time.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 1	Posted - 2012.04.12 21:44:00 - [14] - Quote Nick Bison wrote: Since the OP obviously hasn't read any dev blogs nor paid attention to fanfest ... please go ahead and ragequit. One less whiner to worry about. Q: What about corp-hopping? A: We're adding tracking in the backend to track this. How we will then display it in game is undecided, but we do have stories in the backlog (todo list) for the character war history to show if the character left a corp at war. We also want to have it cost a little to corp-hop during a war. We're also looking into not allowing you to join a corp you've left during a war while that war is still ongoing. We're also exploring some limitations to joining and leaving a corp on the fly. gimme a break No... i choose not to support a game with beta-like features. End of story. You guys can go ahead and support CCP, but this has been going on for almost a year and is growing more prevalent with time.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 1	Posted - 2012.04.12 21:47:00 - [15] - Quote Simi Kusoni wrote: Krezack wrote: My suggestion is this... and im a technical lead for ericsson as well as have developed for many of the big fortune 500s. I hear Ericsson project managers/technicians have all the best training in game design. Arguments from authority are more powerful when you claim to have a remotely relevant position. software is software. i have financials, aerospace, television, media, marketing, healthcare, customer car analytics, etc. irrelevant
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 1	Posted - 2012.04.12 21:48:00 - [16] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush So...it's not good enough that they're fixing it soon, you want it NOW FIX IT NOW!!1!111!!!!1 When you've finished throwing your toys out of the pram, contract me your stuff and go back to hello kitty online. issue has gone on for too long. I choose not to support whoever the solution architect is since they have no clue what to do. reminds me of apple drones who support apple no matter how crappy a product is/comes out.
mxzf Shovel Bros 1198	Posted - 2012.04.12 21:55:00 - [17] - Quote mxzf wrote: Ok; don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 1	Posted - 2012.04.12 21:56:00 - [18] - Quote mxzf wrote: mxzf wrote: Ok; don't let the door hit you on the way out. already done last week
Astroniomix EliteTroll 45	Posted - 2012.04.12 22:03:00 - [19] - Quote Krezack wrote: mxzf wrote: mxzf wrote: Ok; don't let the door hit you on the way out. already done last week You appear to still be here.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 2	Posted - 2012.04.12 22:05:00 - [20] - Quote Astroniomix wrote: Krezack wrote: mxzf wrote: mxzf wrote: Ok; don't let the door hit you on the way out. already done last week You appear to still be here. you obviously never canceled your accounts
Mfume Apocal Origin. Black Legion. 395	Posted - 2012.04.12 22:12:00 - [21] - Quote mxzf wrote: Ok; don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Danika Princip Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team 374	Posted - 2012.04.12 22:30:00 - [22] - Quote Krezack wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush So...it's not good enough that they're fixing it soon, you want it NOW FIX IT NOW!!1!111!!!!1 When you've finished throwing your toys out of the pram, contract me your stuff and go back to hello kitty online. issue has gone on for too long. I choose not to support whoever the solution architect is since they have no clue what to do. reminds me of apple drones who support apple no matter how crappy a product is/comes out. So...you have literally no idea what a game designer is, but you don't trust the ones at CCP, despite having equally little idea of what they're doing about the problem you demand they address?
Astroniomix EliteTroll 47	Posted - 2012.04.12 22:30:00 - [23] - Quote Krezack wrote: Astroniomix wrote: Krezack wrote: mxzf wrote: mxzf wrote: Ok; don't let the door hit you on the way out. already done last week You appear to still be here. you obviously never canceled your accounts Not intentionaly, no.
Katerwaul The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.04.12 23:34:00 - [24] - Quote While I'm familiar with the ragequits, self importance of the class in which you think what you do qualifies you to offer a solution that no one else can dispute and that you're immune to troubleshooting because "you've already done it", & temper tantrums that result from merc corps being called in to help when wars go bad --Hell, all of the new star wars moves seemed "Beta-like" to me, but you didn't see me throwing my star wars books away. I've seen a lot of the software that large corporations use & programs that are released. It seems that everything is in a state of "Beta-like" if people are making an effort to improve on it and add content.
Katerwaul The Scope Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2012.04.12 23:53:00 - [25] - Quote Also "Fix Corp Hopping and Neutral RR or I Leave" is a terrible name for a thread. When you're looking for a solution don't just throw out an answer. You want to take a look at what's causing the problem & find as many solutions to it from there. Clearly you aren't in a place to listen to anyone's opinion but your own, and it's difficult to really find constructive solutions at times like that. So the primary issue statements would be: Corporation Members are allowed to leave, rejoin, and leave their corporation during war. & When someone Remote Repairs a player we're at war with, they're only given aggro for 15 minutes. --- Honestly the RR -- I think aggro is the wrong way to go. Clearly they should just be concorded for interfering in concord sanctioned warfare. This would definitely be the fairest for everyone. As for the Corp Members who leave, rejoin, and leave again? Two can play that game! Just leave your corp & setup to rejoin for an ambush! If you use a passive targeting system you can have the enemry corp locked as you change corporations so that you can fire imediately -- joking :) I'd like to see a corp lock for wardecks. If you're part of the corp when the wardeck comes & you participate in any combat you have a 24 hour hold before you can leave the corp, but this only applies to someone who's been with the corp for more than a week. Before your first week with the corp you can't leave at all. Additionally when you're applying to the corp & they're at war first they have to accept your application, then the player receives a notification that they've been acepted but the corp is at war & confirms that they do want to join the corp. Or again, we could just have them concorded when they undock ;) I'm sure other people might have real ideas about these topics (in fact I'd almost bet that they've already been opened).
Aqriue Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 537	Posted - 2012.04.13 00:09:00 - [26] - Quote OP is just whiney ***** that can't figure out EVE and humans. EVE is not fair. Humans will do anything to win be it in a game or in real life until "official" rules get in the way Done deal. OP also has several options to deal with the issue. 1. GTFO of Highsec 2. GTFO of Highsec 3. GTFO of Highsec 4. GTFO of Highsec 5. Play by the rules....that there are none. 6. All of the above. Any choice works, I particularly recommend option 5 though any of them work. And OP is probably just whiney Butthurt look for attention anyway, since wardecs are only needed in highsec but if enemy makes OP Butthurt he can just use a rack of 1400mm artty without a wardec
Marsan Production N Destruction INC. 19	Posted - 2012.04.13 01:50:00 - [27] - Quote While you're waiting for the next major release just dec shield.....
Torothanax 1	Posted - 2012.04.13 01:58:00 - [28] - Quote I've been saying for years that repping a war target should make you a valid war target for the duration of the war. Make it work kinda like kill rights. War declarations have way too many work arounds.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 2	Posted - 2012.04.13 03:25:00 - [29] - Quote Torothanax wrote: I've been saying for years that repping a war target should make you a valid war target for the duration of the war. Make it work kinda like kill rights. War declarations have way too many work arounds. this... also, you guys are not really adding anything of value here... typical nerd speech. The answer is pretty easy, and i gave it prior. This will be fixed as CCP already is acknowledging this is an issue. They just dont know how to fix it. Not about being butt hurt or whatever you want to think of as imbalance. Point is it is an exploit. It is blatantly an exploit as ANYONE short of the people doing it will tell you. Mark my words... this will eventually be fixed. Until it is, im not going to participate in supporting CCP. My choice, tough. Everyone plays the game differently and my way is no different than some miner mining a belt for hours or 0.0 blobs of LOL in nullsec. These are all irrelevant and short sighted. The point is that it is incredibly abused and if you dislike what i say, petition CCP TO KEEP IT. Let me say this... it will not stay the way it is. I dont care if 100 people gangrape me in the middle of 0.0...stupid mistake within the rules of the game, but the b.s. i brought up is a flaw. I've stated what can be done and how to fix it and it will eventually come to those lines one way or another, its just that they will continue to sweep it under the rug until they figure some sort of balance issue.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 2	Posted - 2012.04.13 03:28:00 - [30] - Quote Aqriue wrote: OP is just whiney ***** that can't figure out EVE and humans. EVE is not fair. Humans will do anything to win be it in a game or in real life until "official" rules get in the way Done deal. OP also has several options to deal with the issue. 1. GTFO of Highsec 2. GTFO of Highsec 3. GTFO of Highsec 4. GTFO of Highsec 5. Play by the rules....that there are none. 6. All of the above. Any choice works, I particularly recommend option 5 though any of them work. And OP is probably just whiney Butthurt look for attention anyway, since wardecs are only needed in highsec but if enemy makes OP Butthurt he can just use a rack of 1400mm artty without a wardec im sure your one of the ones who jumps corps to fight and then leaves the corp to go back to carebearing while i cant pew you. Yes...this is balance. where do you people come from? TELL CCP TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS because it wont happen.
Krezack Secret sexy dark intentions 2	Posted - 2012.04.13 03:29:00 - [31] - Quote Danika Princip wrote: Krezack wrote: Danika Princip wrote: Krezack wrote: Gerrick Palivorn wrote: Read the updates coming in Inferno, then come back to this and see. 1/10 since inferno isnt here...im cancelling im not gonna beat around the bush So...it's not good enough that they're fixing it soon, you want it NOW FIX IT NOW!!1!111!!!!1 When you've finished throwing your toys out of the pram, contract me your stuff and go back to hello kitty online. issue has gone on for too long. I choose not to support whoever the solution architect is since they have no clue what to do. reminds me of apple drones who support apple no matter how crappy a product is/comes out. So...you have literally no idea what a game designer is, but you don't trust the ones at CCP, despite having equally little idea of what they're doing about the problem you demand they address? They dont even know... wtf are you a Representative of CCP? they have no idea... some sort of fine in isk? gimme a break, its a joke
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 661	Posted - 2012.04.13 03:48:00 - [32] - Quote Wow... 1) neither of these activities (as annoying as they are) are exploits. Otherwise those using them would be banned. 2) This is an MMO, everything is always BETA in an MMO. CCP is working on the neutral RR. It annoys a lot of people. Likely will be changed in some way by May. Corp hopping... haven't followed enough to know if CCP is changing anything there. Not sure if anything needs to be changed. Haven't been in enough wars to know the ins and outs of such activities.
Asuka Solo Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises 1398	Posted - 2012.04.13 07:01:00 - [33] - Quote blah blah blah... I don't hear you leaving over the sound of your bitching
OmniBeton OmniBeton Metatech 6	Posted - 2012.04.13 08:52:00 - [34] - Quote Well, I think you're right, in both game being broken and CPP incompetent, but I can't understand all the rage. You have a right to quit paying for broken product, perfectly reasonable if you do, but why doing it so loudly ? Do you think (or you want) that you job experience and position makes you more valuable client to CPP that any 13 years old kid who pays with his parents money ? Sorry, this doesn't work that way. You both pay the same per account. Just leave and be happy elsewhere.
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 155	Posted - 2012.04.13 08:54:00 - [35] - Quote The OP's suggestions for fixing the "problem" are reasonable.... but due to his attitude, I must ask: I can haz yur stuff? I'll hold on to it for ya if ya ever decide to come back (like when Inferno is released)
L0rdF1end Sicarius. When Hippos Attack 35	Posted - 2012.04.13 11:40:00 - [36] - Quote Wow, some rage flying around in this thread. War Decs in Empire are broken. The changes coming with Inferno aren't going to make any serious change to this. If a corp doesn't want to fight, they will still stay docked or still not bother logging in. If they really want to continue playing without fighting they will drop Corp and go join another Corp. You will still be able to have all of your members drop one corp and move over to a new/spare Corp or alliance and be completely unaffected. The war dec is tied to the Corp/Alliance after all and not the members themselves. War Decs in Empire are only fun if you operate as a small Unit. If you are a Merc Corp of 20 members or less war dec'ing bigger entities then your target will not be as concerned. This is why so many Merc Highsec Alliances have folded and died, because no one wants to fight them. Personally, I gave up with this a long time ago and moved out to NPC nullsec. People actually want to fight which is great as that's what i want. War dec'ing in Empire was fun when I first started, but the time and energy now spent into finding decent targets, tracking down something to kill is just not worth it. Its either that or do what 0rphange do and sit on station undocks at the four hubs waiting for something to undock and be insta popped. No fun there either. For all the war dec'ing Merc Corps/Alliances still in Empire, grow some balls and come out to NPC space. Stop killing noobs, it doesn't prove anything other than you are the king of Noobs. Congrats, hope you feel proud.
Verity Sovereign Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 155	Posted - 2012.04.14 07:52:00 - [37] - Quote Seriously though, can I have your stuff? I'll write a public thankyou, and agree completely with your arguments
ITTigerClawIK Galactic Rangers Galactic-Rangers 103	Posted - 2012.04.14 15:03:00 - [38] - Quote obvius troll is obvius, noone is stupid enough to not actually check whats happening before going of and making an idiot of themselfs like this, least i dont think so?
Buzzy Warstl The Strontium Asylum 104	Posted - 2012.04.14 17:23:00 - [39] - Quote ITTigerClawIK wrote: obvius troll is obvius, noone is stupid enough to not actually check whats happening before going of and making an idiot of themselfs like this, least i dont think so? No, it's actually the normal way people operate (and not just around here). If you can learn to accept it and it doesn't make extra work for you it can actually be quite fun to watch.
Quade Warren Urban Mining Corp Rising Phoenix Alliance 12	Posted - 2012.04.14 19:32:00 - [40] - Quote OP, you really shouldn't be surprised at all the blow back you're getting. You genuinely asked for it, dude. I sympathize, but it'll be fixed one way or another. I seriously doubt CCP is sitting there reading this entire Features & Ideas Forum going "Guys, I thought we were done with this game..." Give them some damned credit. You've worked for Fortune 500's, they started Eve Online by selling board games out of their garage IIRC.

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