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Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue	Posted - 2008.11.22 08:02:00 - [1] So, if you think about it... November is almost done. CCP is claiming a release date of 10 March for the T3 expansion, and excluding this Saturday's patch, we're probably due for at least one balance patch between now and March. I would hope. So, say we get a balance patch in two months- that's only eight weeks. That would put it around mid to end of January. And with T3 being as big as it is, I would hope that it gets a good 6-8 weeks of testing and flogging on SISI before it's released. So that means that T3 will have to be on SISI by the end of January or the first week of February at the latest. Not a lot of time to get everything done eh? Particularly when all we've seen of T3 are some concept shots. No in game art, no models or UI for putting them together. With T3 so close, I mean it's literally around the corner time-wise, 2009 is only five weeks away (!!!), I'm wondering if we'll be seeing T3 in March and WIS in July, or if it's going to get pushed back so far, we won't see T3 until August 2009 and WIS by December 2009. All the balancing issues and bugs. -shudder- I hope it get's plenty of time on SISI. I would think that CCP would put T3 on SISI as early as the first week of January just to get as much testing in as possible before putting it live in March. I really hope it all works out, but I'm kind of pessimistic about the whole thing. Look where blasters are now. 37 pages of thread in the Game Design forum and they're just as broken as ever. Bellum Eternus Inveniam viam aut faciam. Death of Virtue is Recruiting
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.11.22 08:07:00 - [2] We, as players, do not know for how long CCP has already been working on the next expansion. It is quite possible that there are two teams, working in parallel on different expansions at different stages of development. Originally by: Spaztick You are not outnumbered, you are in a target-rich environment.
Khemul Zula Amarr Black Plague.	Posted - 2008.11.22 08:07:00 - [3] CCP, testing.
Haywoode Jablome The Templars Knights	Posted - 2008.11.22 08:58:00 - [4] Edited by: Haywoode Jablome on 22/11/2008 09:02:31 In timing, there are at least 2 ways to introduce which i'm familiar with Waterfall method, which simply says 'dump' the features into public and deal with things while they occur and the Spiral(Iterative) model. What I never liked in the iterative model, is that a lot of complaining occurs, which lead to mis-communication in the original modal, which leads to redesign, recoding on a semi-live system, in short it ruins the original ideas. Both have pros and cons... If you'd ask me, with T3 and what you have to do to get T3 operational as a player, is wormholes for the parts to build it. These wormholes are already unstable, just as software can be... so the way I see it this T3 phenomenon takes a great deal of effort and time for a player to even get the first steps towards building together. Unless ofcourse there is a flaw in the system (like getting factional standing so darn easy as in Factional Warfare)... The way I see T3 and WIS, are completely 'black' boxes that (especially WIS) don't interfere with the current systems... Unless ofcourse these 2 projects changed the 'core' code in balance... I for one totally agree with Bellum in testing... I also hope it will get plenty of time spent on SISI...
Companion Qube	Posted - 2008.11.22 09:16:00 - [5] Timing != birth control, kthx.
SniperWo1f Omega Enterprises 0mega Factor	Posted - 2008.11.22 09:36:00 - [6] i would assume that there's alot more done than ccp has let on tbh . It's probably why QR was so devoid of big content alot of tiny things .
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.22 10:04:00 - [7] Originally by: Bellum Eternus All the balancing issues and bugs. -shudder- I hope it get's plenty of time on SISI. I would think that CCP would put T3 on SISI as early as the first week of January just to get as much testing in as possible before putting it live in March. They will do what they always do. Put it on Sisi two weeks before deployment, have it tested by about 20 people, patch it to the live system with no changes and then deny the problems exist. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.22 10:57:00 - [8] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Bellum Eternus All the balancing issues and bugs. -shudder- I hope it get's plenty of time on SISI. I would think that CCP would put T3 on SISI as early as the first week of January just to get as much testing in as possible before putting it live in March. They will do what they always do. Put it on Sisi two weeks before deployment, have it tested by about 20 people, patch it to the live system with no changes and then deny the problems exist. You forgot about the part where they fix the problems a week later.
Tippia Caldari Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:02:00 - [9] Originally by: Karille Originally by: Dantes Revenge They will do what they always do. Put it on Sisi two weeks before deployment, have it tested by about 20 people, patch it to the live system with no changes and then deny the problems exist. You forgot about the part where they fix the problems a week later. Yes. If only there was some way for lots and lots of people to test it before it went live, rather than having to complain about it afterwards… No sig for me, thankyouverymuch.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:02:00 - [10] Wish I could fly a mega so I could comment more in depth on it, although web changes should hurt laser ships even more, as in a mega you should be able to dictate tracking/range against a geddon. missiles have also gotten a lot of complaining, but everything I have done with them they seem fine, blew up some drakes earlier today, and a bunch of npc shooting. as for t3 balancing that does worry me a bit, as yes march is getting closer.
Zaknussem Caldari Intrum Industria	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:23:00 - [11] I take it the OP was not at Fanfest? Hilmar said there that CCP was now "laser-focused" on EvE, devoting over 75% of its entire staff to the development of EvE and the big expansion. Many smaller side-projects have been temporarily shelved. I'm positive that CCP can get the expansion out on time. I'm more concerned about the Ambulation expansion. Even a Winter 2009 release date seems far-fetched.
Eleneor	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:29:00 - [12] My guess is the T3 stuff was planned for this winter's 'industrial' expansion, but didn't make it in due to time constraints. Hence they released a smaller winter patch and announced the March patch.
small chimp	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:37:00 - [13] With prenerfing you dont need balancing?
IR Scoutar Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.11.22 11:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Zaknussem I take it the OP was not at Fanfest? Hilmar said there that CCP was now "laser-focused" on EvE, devoting over 75% of its entire staff to the development of EvE and the big expansion. Many smaller side-projects have been temporarily shelved. I'm positive that CCP can get the expansion out on time. I'm more concerned about the Ambulation expansion. Even a Winter 2009 release date seems far-fetched. have you like ever compared PR to the real world ? have you like ever been thru athe whole eve expansion procces ? ccp dev blog machine starts up again expansion is anounced with pomp and circumstance expansion is tested vigorously by the players who report lots of issues and suggesting lots of solutions some weeks later the expansion rolls out incomplete as usual with 2-3 minor tweaks compared to the initial sisi release a week after that the worst bugs that creep up are fixed ccp dev blog machine comes to a sudden halt and dev blogs trickle in very very slowly
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.22 12:11:00 - [15] Originally by: Zaknussem I take it the OP was not at Fanfest? Hilmar said there that CCP was now "laser-focused" on EvE, devoting over 75% of its entire staff to the development of EvE and the big expansion. Many smaller side-projects have been temporarily shelved. I'm positive that CCP can get the expansion out on time. I'm more concerned about the Ambulation expansion. Even a Winter 2009 release date seems far-fetched. That's good to hear. Bluntly, CCP dropped the ball on a number of issues this year. Amateurish in the extreme, and that's the kindest way I can put it. Here's hoping that they do pick it up.
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2008.11.22 12:19:00 - [16] So you are worried about the new Expansion before it's deployed? And you are worried that there might be another balance patch? I think you would be better off waiting until all the facts are in before speculating how bad it will be just because you are unhappy with the Blaster nerf.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2008.11.22 12:26:00 - [17] Originally by: SniperWo1f i would assume that there's alot more done than ccp has let on tbh . It's probably why QR was so devoid of big content alot of tiny things This. Literally, for all we know it could be a few weeks from SiSi. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Zaknussem Caldari Intrum Industria	Posted - 2008.11.22 16:14:00 - [18] Originally by: IR Scoutar have you like ever compared PR to the real world ? have you like ever been thru athe whole eve expansion procces ? -snip- Yes, I have been through the whole expansion process, both in EvE and other similar products. Yes, I am aware of the difference between PR-speak and the real world, and I am very aware of the hype-campaigns that are run in the gaming industry, CCP included. I am also aware of the fact that by announcing the deadline to the public, CCP may have just shot themselves in the foot and may deliver a product that is inferior to what they promised. But regardless of the state of the product, it will be delivered on time. Or Atari will smack some heads around at CCP. CCP would rather have us try to flail wildly at their heads than a gaming industry behemoth like Atari. But until that deadline arrives, I suggest you learn to use all of the keys on your keyboard that are located directly to the right of "M". Proper usage of those keys are a vital element in smacking the heads at CCP when they next screw up.
KhaniKirai	Posted - 2008.11.22 16:27:00 - [19] Last expansion patch was more barely worth to call expansion at all. I lost more then i gained i think :D
Hevymetal Caldari POT Corp	Posted - 2008.11.22 16:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Companion Qube Timing != birth control, kthx. Actually Rythm is one of the oldest forms of birth control dating back hundreds of years. Rythm is based off of timing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_Method that being said Timing = birth control maybe not the best method, but nevertheless a viable one. BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! STOP OR I'LL SHOOT!!!
Darth Insidius	Posted - 2008.11.22 17:00:00 - [21] well STO might have been released by then so meh, who cares.
Malcanis Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.11.22 17:09:00 - [22] Originally by: Darth Insidius well STO might have been released by then so meh, who cares. Wasn't that cancelled or something?
Karille Gallente Lordless	Posted - 2008.11.22 17:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Darth Insidius well STO might have been released by then so meh, who cares. Wasn't that cancelled or something? And why would you think that game will be anything other than a huge pile of crap?
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.11.22 17:35:00 - [24] Originally by: Darth Insidius well STO might have been released by then so meh, who cares. Yes who gives one about EVE when "WoW in Space" is just around the corner. (Thats not my own judgment thats what a popular gaming magazine termed it and meant it a complimentary way.) _______________________________________
Darth Insidius	Posted - 2008.11.22 17:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Karille Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Darth Insidius well STO might have been released by then so meh, who cares. Wasn't that cancelled or something? And why would you think that game will be anything other than a huge pile of crap? i dont know. whose to say the infalliable CCP dont drop the ball on the march expansion and Eve ends up a huge pile of crap. its not like thats never happened before in a MMO.....
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.22 18:06:00 - [26] In turning over so much customisability to the players, the only result can be epic lulz. Look what people did just with a few MWDs and nanos. That is just combination of modules with ships. Being able to design the ships too, even in a limited way? Epic lulz... - DesuSigs
Darth Insidius	Posted - 2008.11.22 18:16:00 - [27] Originally by: Crumplecorn In turning over so much customisability to the players, the only result can be epic lulz. Look what people did just with a few MWDs and nanos. That is just combination of modules with ships. Being able to design the ships too, even in a limited way? Epic lulz... you say it like its a bad thing.
Jana Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.11.22 18:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Darth Insidius Originally by: Crumplecorn In turning over so much customisability to the players, the only result can be epic lulz. Look what people did just with a few MWDs and nanos. That is just combination of modules with ships. Being able to design the ships too, even in a limited way? Epic lulz... you say it like its a bad thing. Epic lulz are never a bad thing. New Eden Research, where your research gets done!
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.22 18:38:00 - [29] Originally by: Khemul Zula CCP, testing. actually ccp does indeed test, the thing they cannot do is hire 1000 people to test large scale things. you fail in your sarcasm Please, jump into traffic
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2008.11.22 18:38:00 - [30] Another thing which occurred to me is, when passing intel, how the hell does one list these ships? - DesuSigs

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