THAT'S WHY SEESEEPEE GAVE YOU IGNORE BUTTON.

...don't say anything at all. This forum is already groaning under the weight of rampant and acerbic criticism. To read along one might get the idea this game sucks so badly it's amazing all the critics have played it at all, let alone as long as they have. Yet, we have, and there must be some reason why. Mea culpa. I've been in there tossing my BS-filled wit around with everyone else, but now I'd like to try to retrieve the baby before it goes out the window with the bathwater.

This is the best game, hands down, the best and you can deny it all you want you know it's true. CCP has designed something here, the artists, computer whizzes down to the stock clerk, that will stand in digital history regardless of how much the high and mighty "I can do better than this" screamers claim it's full of junk. The plain fact is, it isn't. It's a game with good integrity, unsurpassed graphics, thought provoking content, and artwork that is head and shoulders above the vast majority of other digital offerings.

After all the uproar on this forum about Incarna I began feeling like I was logging onto this horrendous waste of my hard earned dollar. I was looking for rapscallion ripoffs over both my shoulders and not really looking at what I was doing at all. So, I took another look with a fresh set of eyes. And, it's still there; the EVE that's grabbed my imagination since '07. It's beautiful. It's responsive. It's challenging. It's demanding, and rewarding, and as someone said just yesterday, "It's the game I hate to love."

Regardless of all the spiteful, hateful and downright ill-considered verbiage that has passed the past few months, in the main CCP you've done a stellar job, and I have every confidence you'll continue to do the best you can with our baby EVE. Yes, most of us whether we'll admit it or not, have adopted your creation as our own. It's our child. May its future be bright and expansive.

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Without criticism, there is no moving forward.

If you haven't got anything good to say, say it GÇö it needs to be said.

There is a yawning gulf separating constructive criticism and the sh*t-flinging that many people around here do

While I understand your sentiment, I don't necessarily agree with your method. A thread like this one will usually, if not always, come away with a lot of trolling :D

One of the best things any user can do, if they have issue or concerns with a particular thread, is to use the report button and provide a detailed reason as to why the thread should be reviewed and/or moderated. This will help us on the Community team spot problematic threads much more quickly.

I agree.

/c

unless apparently, the poster is part of the CSM or Goons. Ive been reporting them for the better part of a week and watching the mods not take action.

this thread

the above if you look through it is pretty much filled with trolling goons ans CSMs (Two Step and The Mittani - like its unusual for mittans to troll).

While I understand your sentiment, I don't necessarily agree with your method. A thread like this one will usually, if not always, come away with a lot of trolling :D

One of the best things any user can do, if they have issue or concerns with a particular thread, is to use the report button and provide a detailed reason as to why the thread should be reviewed and/or moderated. This will help us on the Community team spot problematic threads much more quickly.

Well, "Skipper." If you don't think there's enough criticism on this forum already...and you're saying I should grow up...sonny boy, you got a long way to go.

There is a yawning gulf separating constructive criticism and the sh*t-flinging that many people around here do

While I understand your sentiment, I don't necessarily agree with your method. A thread like this one will usually, if not always, come away with a lot of trolling :D

One of the best things any user can do, if they have issue or concerns with a particular thread, is to use the report button and provide a detailed reason as to why the thread should be reviewed and/or moderated. This will help us on the Community team spot problematic threads much more quickly.

Tough. You'll get one with the other or neither. Of the two, I vastly prefer the criticism, since it is actually useful, unlike silence.

There is a yawning gulf separating constructive criticism and the sh*t-flinging that many people around here do

Thing is fawning fanboism isn't that constructive either really.

Agreed.

Unfortunately any positive comment, or an observation that a person believes CCP has handled a particular thing well (whatever it may be) is instantly classified as "fawning fanboism".

A company (or person) also needs feedback when they are doing something right, and there is nothing wrong with that at all.

We all realize that human nature ensures that most feedback is negative in nature, but when someone does express approval on these forums they get shredded.

A positive opinion is no less valid or "constructive" than a negative one.

Amen to that. even with its bugs, nothing else like it around. Way too much politics by some. If one tires of a game - leave gracefully, no need to try make it miserable for other players.

Well, if the whiner-whiners stopped whining quite so much, we'd see a whole lot less of thatGǪ

Well some might classify it that way but I don't think everyone does. Its a bit of mischaracterization to argue that anyone who is currently unhappy with the way CCP is running resourcing for Eve Online is such a bitter vet that nothing CCP do can possibly be seen with equanimity. I don't think thats the case at all.

Certainly in the past I've been amongst those that give very high praise to CCP on these forums and elsewhere in the gaming media when I've perceived they have done something positive and impressive. Hell, I even promoted these guys on the BBC, Dutch TV and the New York Times so I think fair's fair.

The problem is that the last few years have been one appalling mistep after another and its all coming home to roost.

Hence the mood does feel universally negative.

Hey, you're the one whining about the people whining about the whiners ...

Oops, was that too abstract?

Tough. You'll get one with the other or neither. Of the two, I vastly prefer the criticism, since it is actually useful, unlike silence.

So your whole attitude is "well, either I don't get laid at all, or I accept a 50/50 chance that every time I get in the sack my partner will call in a large hairy smelly fat man to bugger me over a barrel... Oh well, might as well lube up, spread wide and think of England." then?

The rest of us live in a world where you're allowed to hold people to a higher standard, even if you don't expect them to meet it.