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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.24 06:55:00 -
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Correct, there is a character called EBANKO. He has been playing for some time so we aren't about to petition him. He has standings and his own corp etc. He probably had his name before EBANK was created.
Impersonation can be dangerous as typo's can't always be blamed for falling for them. A lowercase "L" and 1 are almost undistinguishable in the Eve client > l 1 . So someone using EBANK Ricdlc can actually be scamming by making use of an exploit in the text visuals of the client rather than hoping for a typo.
These people's aren't actually as successful as they hope to be when creating these character names. I have only been approached by 1 person since EBANK inception who advised they had wired a few hundred million to a scam character.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.11.28 20:22:00 -
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Oh sigh.
A new set of Ricdic clones just ****ed up.
Somebody was creative and put "EBANK Riddic" and "EBANK Ridic" into "3BANK" corp  .
Poor guy. He has been petitioned now.
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klunking
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:24:00 -
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How is naming an alt 'ebank ricdc' different than naming a raven 'navy raven'?
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:32:00 -
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 Originally by: klunking
How is naming an alt 'ebank ricdc' different than naming a raven 'navy raven'?
It's against the EULA...
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.11.29 05:32:00 -
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Originally by: klunking
How is naming an alt 'ebank ricdc' different than naming a raven 'navy raven'?
Easy, one's banned in the EULA, the other isn't.
You can argue about the fairness of that until your blue in the face but at the end of the day it's all academic because the rules are the rules. :shrug:
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Karanth
Gallente
Independent Fleet
Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2008.11.29 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: libertarian cole
I just added EBANK ricdic as a friend to avoid making any payment mistakes.
Did that ages ago, and occasionally check to make sure it's still the right one.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.11.29 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: klunking
How is naming an alt 'ebank ricdc' different than naming a raven 'navy raven'?
The difference is that one is an item and the other is a person. Being a game with a single shard environment and a heavy politics component identity has value. Long ago this "cloning" of names was squelched because you'd have people going in game or on the forums as someone else for the sole purpose of destroying their reputation or credibility. As an example, Shar TegraI would go posting on what passed for COAD then and go instigating all kinds of fights and conflicts that I, Shar Tegral, had nothing to do with. Then the same Shar TegraI would be in game, with the same avatar, scamming people in local and on escrows. Again, I had nothing to do with these actions however didn't stop people from bashing in my door. This kind of scam takes my identity and uses it. I did all the hard work of building a solid reputation and someone stole it in a way I can't defend against. Furthermore it is an insidious theft that easily draws in prey and is extremely hard for both victims to address. Being as identity is a very foundational aspect of Eve Online it is, and should be, vigilantly (and viciously) guarded. Being able to grief someone out of game by spoofing their name (and destroying their reputation) is most certainly wrong and very very lame. And if you don't think it is griefing, keep that to yourself as you are exceedingly inept. Intellectually and morally. Now to a more current example, you'll note the similarities here and here. If you dare, explain to me how this is similar to the " Raven is not a Navy Raven" scam?
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.11.29 11:21:00 -
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Here's a rule of thumb about how you can tell if it's an exploit/scam or not:
Scam/Exploit: It can kill(Ship, pod, your name) you without you being the cause or having chance to do anything. Impersonation you can't help against, and it can "kill" your name. Thus exploit.
Not: Anything that saves you from being killed by others(Logoffski)
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geomatica
Infusion.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Originally by: klunking
How is naming an alt 'ebank ricdc' different than naming a raven 'navy raven'?
It's against the EULA...
Wow, I just noticed your portrait has a floating head.
That should be plenty hard to clone right there. 
Sig Coming Soon(TM)
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.29 14:24:00 -
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Unfortunately the floating head only applies through forums. I have requested CCP make my head float ingame too without luck 
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donzie
Caldari
Stormlord Battleforce
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Posted - 2008.11.29 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
It's against the EULA and is officially a bannable offense. Whether or not you'll get banned for doing it once is questionable but I am familiar with someone's impersonation attempts resulting not just in all of the ISK being returned putting their main (to whom it was transferred) into a negative balance but the offending account getting a temporary ban.
The point is, don't do it because at the end of the day you'll loose whatever ISK you may have impersonated your way into, that should be reason enough.
Friend of me got scammed 19bil for a nyx by a guy named something like kribba, by the time GM's with brains looked into it (after some stupid replies from some of the GMs) the scammer already deleted the account and spread out the money. there was nothing the GMs could do cuz he deleted the account or something, so my friend didn't got his money back.
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.29 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: donzie
Friend of me got scammed 19bil for a nyx by a guy named something like kribba, by the time GM's with brains looked into it (after some stupid replies from some of the GMs) the scammer already deleted the account and spread out the money. there was nothing the GMs could do cuz he deleted the account or something, so my friend didn't got his money back.
What's the name of your friend? I might know him.
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donzie
Caldari
Stormlord Battleforce
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: YouGotRipped
What's the name of your friend? I might know him.
phersephone
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
I was like, "no wai dude" and they were like "uhuh" |
YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2008.11.29 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 29/11/2008 16:12:46
Originally by: donzie
Originally by: YouGotRipped
What's the name of your friend? I might know him.
phersephone
I do know some Vanguard members but this one does not ring any bell. Oh well... forget I asked. 
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:14:00 -
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Technically they are not breaking they EULA. The CSM is outright wrong. That said, CCP may enforce it other than as written and stop said names.
It would be a shame if CCP went against its long standing policy of hands off to protect this silly bank.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:22:00 -
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In case you dont understand why its not against the EULA
It says you a PLAYER can not use another players CHARACTER NAME to mistrpresent who you are.
This fails the CSMs claim in 2 ways.
1 You arent using another characters name -you useing a name similar to the characters name. That is clearly not what the rules addresses.
2 The rules is stated with respect to misrepresenting who the player is not with respect to misrepresenting who the character is.
There is no way around it. Technically the EULA does not forbid making a name similar to another characters name. If you stated that you were someone else IRL on the other hand that might be against the rule.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:24:00 -
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And just to beat a dead horse I think the CSMs should be more careful as to what they say.
Their word may be just as meaningless as everone elses, but many players think "CSM" stand for "customer service manager"
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Technically they are not breaking they EULA. The CSM is outright wrong. That said, CCP may enforce it other than as written and stop said names.
It would be a shame if CCP went against its long standing policy of hands off to protect this silly bank.
What did you smoke?
It's TOTALLY breaking the EULA. Jesus christ. Did you even read the post?
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Technically they are not breaking they EULA. The CSM is outright wrong. That said, CCP may enforce it other than as written and stop said names. It would be a shame if CCP went against its long standing policy of hands off to protect this silly bank.
Whatever your issue is with the CSM it has nothing to do with this thread. LaVista Vista is only stating what is and has been for longer then he, and likely you, have been in Eve. Of course please don't let facts or reality dissuade you in any way. I believe that even the mentally infirmed and/or the intellectually challenged should be allowed to speak. In your case I believe this twice as strongly as you are obviously eligible for both categories.
To Shar -verb:
1 - To say what you mean.
2 - To say what it means.
3 - To say something mean. |
EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
It would be a shame if CCP went against its long standing policy of hands off to protect this silly bank.
Actually this policy protects everyone not just this silly bank.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:45:00 -
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If you read my second post I explain why the CSM is wrong. I dont have any issue with her beyiond this thread. In fact I had no idea who she was.
The EULA does not say what the CSM claims it says.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 29/11/2008 20:46:17
If you read my second post I explain why the CSM is wrong. I dont have any issue with her beyiond this thread. In fact I had no idea who she was.
The EULA does not say what the CSM claims it says.
EDIT: "him" not "her" - I only read the name.
I think you are confusing something here.
What does CSM mean to you?
Does it mean Council of Stellar Management? Or does it mean Customer Service Representative?
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Balogh
Gallente
Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
The CSM is outright wrong.
What has the Council of Stellar Management to do with this?
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That said, CCP may enforce it other than as written and stop said names.
Don't forget that the Terms of Service clearly state that "CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userĘs account without advance notice as we deem necessary" and that "[CCP reserves] the right to ban any user from the game [..]". Also, the EULA states that "CCP retains the right to reject any pseudonym [.. that] violates standards of good taste.
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You arent using another characters name -you useing a name similar to the characters name. That is clearly not what the rules addresses.
It is impossible to use another character's name without also having access to their account information. Since it does not make sense to forbid actions that are already impossible, the rules clearly do address using a similar name.
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The rules is stated with respect to misrepresenting who the player is not with respect to misrepresenting who the character is.
Read the rule again. "No player may use the character name of another player to impersonate or falsely represent his or her identity." If someone would create the character BaIogh and accept "deposits" for his "stock exchange", that's both impersonation and falsely representing his or her identity.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.29 21:41:00 -
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Actually there is a way.
If a person delted a character and you took the characters name then represented yourself as that real life person.
As it is written the rule is intended to stop what would be the converse of meta-gaming. Its againt using an in game action to fool people in real life.
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2008.11.29 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Ghoest
Edited by: Ghoest on 29/11/2008 20:46:17
If you read my second post I explain why the CSM is wrong. I dont have any issue with her beyiond this thread. In fact I had no idea who she was.
The EULA does not say what the CSM claims it says.
EDIT: "him" not "her" - I only read the name.
I think you are confusing something here.
What does CSM mean to you?
Does it mean Council of Stellar Management? Or does it mean Customer Service Representative?
Do you even read my posts before responding?
If you think corp is different than a guild or clan you have some insecurity issues.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2008.11.29 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Do you even read my posts before responding?
Yes.
Could you just answer my question. What do you think CSM mean to you? Because your logic sure doesn't fit in with what the CSM actually is.
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Balogh
Gallente
Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2008.11.29 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
If a person delted a character and you took the characters name then represented yourself as that real life person.
Can you think of any legitimate reason why someone would delete a character, but would still care about that character's name?
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2008.11.29 23:19:00 -
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OK CCP, you win, now just put our forum back into it's place of obscurity. Pretty please!
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.30 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
In case you dont understand why its not against the EULA
It says you a PLAYER can not use another players CHARACTER NAME to mistrpresent who you are.
This fails the CSMs claim in 2 ways.
1 You arent using another characters name -you useing a name similar to the characters name. That is clearly not what the rules addresses.
2 The rules is stated with respect to misrepresenting who the player is not with respect to misrepresenting who the character is.
There is no way around it. Technically the EULA does not forbid making a name similar to another characters name. If you stated that you were someone else IRL on the other hand that might be against the rule.
You seem a little confused, so let me shed some light.
In the past, present, and future CCP will force players who try to come up with names similar to "EBANK Ricdic" to pick another name. Repeated offenses have the potential to earn the offender a ban.
This is a fact. It has been a fact. It has happened. It will happen in the future.
I'm not sure how else I can spell this out for you, and if you should have trouble understanding what I just said...you may want to spend a few more years in a school/university/college/mental hospital.
Oh, and I'm smarter than you. 
p.s. Ok, not sure about that last bit, just thought it'd be funny to say. 
p.s.s. It's probably true though.
EBANK Staff | www.eve-bank.net
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.11.30 02:08:00 -
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p.ssss : It's not just EBANK Ricdic impersonation that CCP don't allow, its impersonation of any character ingame either npc, gm or character
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