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Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:18:00 - [61] All the clowns that think T2 drones will destroy a Harpy with a Med Shield Extender II doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. I've killed plenty of Ishkurs with that setup... If you're having trouble with Drones then you're doing it wrong. CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
Firh	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:21:00 - [62] Btw, an Enyo would be able to cook something up quite similar. A little less DPS, a little more EHP and cap stable instead of having an injector (I prefer an injector myself).
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:25:00 - [63] Originally by: Karrade Krise All the clowns that think T2 drones will destroy a Harpy with a Med Shield Extender II doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. I've killed plenty of Ishkurs with that setup... If you're having trouble with Drones then you're doing it wrong. I have to agree. I have yet to meet any problems with T2 drones. Warrior II's are a bit scary tho, but managable.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.01.28 02:27:00 - [64] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon Originally by: Karrade Krise All the clowns that think T2 drones will destroy a Harpy with a Med Shield Extender II doesn't know what the hell they're talking about. I've killed plenty of Ishkurs with that setup... If you're having trouble with Drones then you're doing it wrong. I've actually become more worried about T2 Hobgoblins than Warriors This thing shrugs off WarriorII dps like a fly. Hard to hit and just plane annoying... I have to agree. I have yet to meet any problems with T2 drones. Warrior II's are a bit scary tho, but managable. CCP Atlas - The Short Story - "With Quantum Rise, we kind of messed up the performance of the EVE client."
Andrea Skye Caldari The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2009.01.28 04:40:00 - [65] Never really liked the rail setup. Damage is just gimped and harpy is slower than most other frigs with MWD's so your guna get webbed eventualy. This is the setup i use. It tanks, it ganks, and its alot of fun! :P 4x Electron blaster II Arblast Rocket launcher X5 web Scrambler II 1MN AB Med Sheild extender II Mag stab II Damage Control II (every one who has any hope of PvP in a AF should get one of these) Rigs 2x EM screen reinforcers. Only thing that you cant stand a chance against is Jaguars who know how to use thier falloff. Everything else is fair game.
Prometheus Exenthal Heretic Army	Posted - 2009.01.28 09:25:00 - [66] every time i see this thread get bumped, i laugh a little - MY LATEST VIDEO - FRIGANK 4
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.01.28 10:03:00 - [67] if prefer close range MWD AS fit for maximum dmg and buffer to kill target fast and gtfo if possible =D but interesting setup
Zantei	Posted - 2009.01.28 13:36:00 - [68] Edited by: Zantei on 28/01/2009 14:32:17 75mm is good for nothing. :/ 125mm if you want to at least scratch something and hit beyond 100km. You might be able to kill an untanked caracal/similar cruiser. Frigates will die very quickly but assault frigates will pick their nose and warp off if they can't catch you. Vengeance will just walk after you until it gets bored etc... You could cause a fuss if you were solo but you won't be killing many. Better to have a mwd rather than a shield module as you won't be angaging close.
Psiri	Posted - 2009.01.28 13:41:00 - [69] Originally by: Zantei 75mm is good for nothing. :/ 150mm if you want to at least scratch something and hit beyond 100km. You might be able to kill an untanked caracal/similar cruiser. Frigates will die very quickly but assault frigates will pick their nose and warp off if they can't catch you. Vengeance will just walk after you until it gets bored etc... You could cause a fuss if you were solo but you won't be killing many. Better to have a mwd rather than a shield module as you won't be angaging close. You sir, make no sense whatsoever.
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.28 13:55:00 - [70] if you want to snipe for pods, you do not need a 20 mill ship. Destroyer gets the job done for 2.5 mill much more effectively. 125 mm Railguns II on cormorant, MWD + some Damps/tracking disruptors... it will kill interceptors and tech 1 frigates. If you want to fly AF vs bigger ships you will need close range guns and be under web range, under one web you will be faster. NOSF is needed for active tanking, passive will not work because of drone threat. Ships like Jaguar can tackle extremely well, much heavier tank than interceptor, 4 medium and 3 low slots, can have a high sensor strength. Ships like wolf are meant to do DPS and be under the guns with an AB, 34 m signature is too much for larger guns. IMHO MWD is for fast tackle, AB is for maneuverability. AFs are heavy DPS dealers and anti BS things. Destroyers are anti frigate and tech 2 frigate, no matter what, their DPS is enough to kill an assault frigate and tracking is sufficient to destroy an interceptor. But every larger ship can instapop a destroyer, so keep it for fleet support mainly.
Opertone Caldari Gladiators of Rage Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.01.28 14:25:00 - [71] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Destroyers: easy fight. Even good PvP destroyers are usually out-ganked and out-tanked by a decent margin, but most of them just suck. A man hungry thrasher with autocannons and MWD can take on two assault ships with any setup. Barrage S, projectile ambit rigs and fall off booster will break the tank of an assault frigate at any range because of 12-15 km fall-off range. I did it before, I know what I am talking about, 300 DPS vs 7000 EHP and 10-50% explosive gap (armor and shields) translates into 180 DPS vs 2000 EHP... or roughly 12-15 seconds. Guns will not burn out in that time, if you try to run away and kite, the DPS will be bigger because of 0 transversal speed. Thrasher has 5000 EHP buffer to last 30-60 seconds before it ganks two assault frigates with total 150 + 150 DPS. Thrasher is the only PvP destroyer.
Zantei	Posted - 2009.01.28 14:33:00 - [72] Originally by: Psiri Originally by: Zantei 75mm is good for nothing. :/ 150mm if you want to at least scratch something and hit beyond 100km. You might be able to kill an untanked caracal/similar cruiser. Frigates will die very quickly but assault frigates will pick their nose and warp off if they can't catch you. Vengeance will just walk after you until it gets bored etc... You could cause a fuss if you were solo but you won't be killing many. Better to have a mwd rather than a shield module as you won't be angaging close. You sir, make no sense whatsoever. I meant 125's
Venduras	Posted - 2009.01.28 15:26:00 - [73] I'd rather fly a Blaster Harpy with AB myself but won't you just get scrammed, webbed and NOSed to death? Medium and large size ships have a lot of HP that allows them suck up damage in close, but if you get webbed up close in an AF won't you just die horribly? Even though I'd go about 350m/s with an AB when webbed, unless I get a scram on the guy, won't he just kite me with a Disruptor?
NeoTheo Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2009.01.28 15:43:00 - [74] Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/01/2009 16:16:26 Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/01/2009 16:15:58 Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/01/2009 16:15:30 [Harpy] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I - something i have been playing with, the repper is totally fail to be honest, should be swaped out for some extra tackle, but i fly in gangs. interestingly when we killed this HIC, (AF gang) HIC i would have died if not for a MSE and the repper, - however that setup was fail due to the amount of power mods i needed to fit the neutrons. i am not suggesting active and passive tanking as a mix, just saying in THAT situation i would have died as the HIC had a serious hard on for making me go pop. note this was passed to me by someone from scrapheap. Id like to see some viable Blaster fits, in this topic; as i really like the Blarpy, ;) (cause lets face it the above one and my previous one are a bit gash).
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.28 17:08:00 - [75] Originally by: NeoTheo Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/01/2009 16:16:26 Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/01/2009 16:15:58 Edited by: NeoTheo on 28/01/2009 16:15:30 [Harpy] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Core Defence Field Extender I Core Defence Field Extender I - something i have been playing with, the repper is totally fail to be honest, should be swaped out for some extra tackle, but i fly in gangs. interestingly when we killed this HIC, (AF gang) HIC i would have died if not for a MSE and the repper, - however that setup was fail due to the amount of power mods i needed to fit the neutrons. i am not suggesting active and passive tanking as a mix, just saying in THAT situation i would have died as the HIC had a serious hard on for making me go pop. note this was passed to me by someone from scrapheap. Id like to see some viable Blaster fits, in this topic; as i really like the Blarpy, ;) (cause lets face it the above one and my previous one are a bit gash). I did fly the Harpy with AB and Scram (ad blasters). It works ok, but far from as effective as my Rail setup. [Harpy, Blaster] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Medium Shield Extender II 1MN Afterburner II 'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I I used this. Use two Mag Stabs if you wish. It has decent dps, but I ratehr bring a cruiser or BC to deal a lot more damage. But this is fun if you manage to get some targets, but herin lies teh problem. 9km scram and an AB = not easy to get a target = your gang needs a tackler => you might as well get a dps ship and let the tackler do his thing. and as for AF gang, sure they work, but bring some dps ships and it works better ;).
Venduras	Posted - 2009.01.28 23:48:00 - [76] Edited by: Venduras on 28/01/2009 23:48:15 I was wondering how the 75mm Rail setup would fight an Autocannon Jag, it just seems to get wtfpwned by it in every scenario.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:15:00 - [77] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 29/01/2009 01:17:33 Originally by: Venduras Edited by: Venduras on 28/01/2009 23:48:15 I was wondering how the 75mm Rail setup would fight an Autocannon Jag, it just seems to get wtfpwned by it in every scenario. If the Jag got a MWD yes, if not by by Jag. But does that make it better? No, not really. its a silly 1v1 that has no meaning whatsoever.
Malakai0 M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.01.29 01:57:00 - [78] Edited by: Malakai0 on 29/01/2009 01:59:00 I fly a raptor with 125mm II's that orbits at 25-27km (28km disruptorII range, 4.3k/sec) in most gangs, I don't think you could hit me or get away if I maintain range. My 50dps probably cannot get through your passive regen, but its job isnt to kill stuff its to hold it there =) Now a well placed sniper harpy will can eat my raptor long before I notice it and get in range. I love sniper harpies. Best pod poppers in eve heh. You have a nice build for what it is tho, best we got really for a mid range usable AF since the hawk is pathetic. I prefer a similar build to yours but with 125mm's tho for non sniper duty.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.01.29 13:52:00 - [79] Originally by: Opertone Originally by: Merin Ryskin Destroyers: easy fight. Even good PvP destroyers are usually out-ganked and out-tanked by a decent margin, but most of them just suck. A man hungry thrasher with autocannons and MWD can take on two assault ships with any setup. Barrage S, projectile ambit rigs and fall off booster will break the tank of an assault frigate at any range because of 12-15 km fall-off range. I did it before, I know what I am talking about, 300 DPS vs 7000 EHP and 10-50% explosive gap (armor and shields) translates into 180 DPS vs 2000 EHP... or roughly 12-15 seconds. Guns will not burn out in that time, if you try to run away and kite, the DPS will be bigger because of 0 transversal speed. Thrasher has 5000 EHP buffer to last 30-60 seconds before it ganks two assault frigates with total 150 + 150 DPS. Thrasher is the only PvP destroyer. want to try it out against my 280 dps AS?
Nocturnal Hunter APOCALYPSE LEGION	Posted - 2009.02.03 10:22:00 - [80] my fit, i know to run the f^ck out, if i see a minnie af, but so far this babie done me very good 2x magnetic field stabilizer II 1x gistii b-type ab 1x warpscrambler II 1x small shield extender II 1x stasis web (best named) 4x light neutron blasters II (caldari navy/fed navy antimatter) (no offline smartbomb 'cause no overheat yet) 1x low friction nozzle joint (for orbit at higher speed) 1x anti-explosive screen reinforcer ('cause warriors after my ass is too common) mostly used as my can flipper ship, and as tackler of anything above frig size
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.03 13:25:00 - [81] Originally by: Nocturnal Hunter my fit, i know to run the f^ck out, if i see a minnie af, but so far this babie done me very good 2x magnetic field stabilizer II 1x gistii b-type ab 1x warpscrambler II 1x small shield extender II 1x stasis web (best named) 4x light neutron blasters II (caldari navy/fed navy antimatter) (no offline smartbomb 'cause no overheat yet) 1x low friction nozzle joint (for orbit at higher speed) 1x anti-explosive screen reinforcer ('cause warriors after my ass is too common) mostly used as my can flipper ship, and as tackler of anything above frig size Small extender strikes me as a little pointless tbh. You get more EHP from a T1 invuln and no sig penalty.
Eftim S'Jet	Posted - 2009.02.05 05:08:00 - [82] 4 Electron II w. Navy antimatter, Knave NOS Cold-Gas AB, J5 scrambler, X5 web, MSE II Mag Stab II, DCU II EM resist rig, hybrid damage rig Cost is huge for a frigate IMO, but it's the best frigate I've flown so far. 9.5k EHP, almost 200dps, cap stable at 87% and fast. I love the Harpy.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 10:38:00 - [83] To those of you who keep posting AB setups, especially AB blaster setups: thank you for being free killmails. Against anything cruiser-size or smaller, you will be kited and executed. Against anything bigger, you will be webbed/neuted/droned, and probably also ripped apart by the second ship, as solo battleships (other than Dominixes, I guess) are rare. -----------
Vanthropy Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:06:00 - [84] oh well merin, there are certain things i check every time i even think about engaging another ship 1. i look at his ship so i know his guns 2. i find out if he has a mwd or ab 3. i decide from that information scram or point? chances are if im flying an ab/scram fit it's because i only have two midslots to use for speed/tackle mods and your fit is pretty much worthless against anything other than another af, and that af must be fitting an ab light drones will hurt you and with no answer to them you will go down eventually missiles... will probably kill your next ship they'll do so much damage and I'll bet you get hit by some medium guns to boot. see what i'm saying here? ur in probably the slowest af and you're not going to kite any other mwding thing frig sized. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up"
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:22:00 - [85] Originally by: Vanthropy oh well merin, there are certain things i check every time i even think about engaging another ship 1. i look at his ship so i know his guns 2. i find out if he has a mwd or ab 3. i decide from that information scram or point? And just how exactly are you going to do that? Ask your target nicely if he'll just wait while you scan him and prepare your counter-fit? Out in the real world, you have to engage with incomplete information, or either someone else is going to get the kill, or the target will get away. Quote: and your fit is pretty much worthless against anything other than another af, and that af must be fitting an ab Read the first post in this thread, it's more than just AB-fit AFs. Quote: light drones will hurt you and with no answer to them you will go down eventually Who cares? The Ishkur is the only other frigate capable of using light drones, and they can be a problem if MWD fit, but AF matchups in general involve a lot of 50/50 coin flips. Bigger ships, on the other hand, are not an issue, as my setup can tank 5x drones long enough for the dps ship(s) to kill the target. Quote: missiles... will probably kill your next ship they'll do so much damage Not really. Like drones, they can't kill fast enough to remove the tackle in time. Quote: and I'll bet you get hit by some medium guns to boot. Not all that well. Remember, I'm not engaging anything with medium guns solo in an AF, either my gang will deal with them before they can break through my tank, or I'm engaging 1v1 with another ship. Hey, if you're allowed to refit based on your target, I'm allowed to swap to a HAC.
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction	Posted - 2009.02.05 11:34:00 - [86] Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 05/02/2009 11:35:11 I for one engage cruisers and BC's in the rail harpy solo, all the time :P. It does not always work out, but I for one am faster and can warp out if needed. When it comes to blaster boats you relatively are safe tho, laser ships may be more of a problem if the got that nice T2 ammo. I had some problems with a Rupture here the other day, he was hitting my out to 20km with the medium autocannons, and he was tanking decently. I was breaking his tank, just not faster then he started to break mine :P. He had warrior II's on me, but they did nothing serrious at all. (It was a 2005 player, so I assume some level of skill, I myself have only been here a year.)
Riftor	Posted - 2009.02.15 05:49:00 - [87] I am a 1 month old Caldari Pilot and I have chosen to go down the Assault Ship path. I have two questions regarding this build. 1) Is this definitely the better build vs a Blaster Harpy or is it just a matter of preference. 2) What is in your 5th high slot, I see in between your weapons you list //HeatSink\\ but heat sinks fit in low slots so I am sorta confused. Also do you think this is a smart idea for a noob like me (no pvp experience) going straight into Assault ship or should I go Battle cruiser (drake) or stick with cruisers (caracal / moa)?
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2009.02.15 07:25:00 - [88] Originally by: Riftor I am a 1 month old Caldari Pilot and I have chosen to go down the Assault Ship path. I have two questions regarding this build. 1) Is this definitely the better build vs a Blaster Harpy or is it just a matter of preference. Well, Merin's going to tell you that it's better than a blaster harpy; most people will tell you it's a matter of preference and I'm in the latter camp - both fits are good for different things. Quote: 2) What is in your 5th high slot, I see in between your weapons you list //HeatSink\\ but heat sinks fit in low slots so I am sorta confused. a "heat sink," when not referring to the laser damage module, refers to an offline module (generally in a high slot). Offline modules absorb and dissipate heat better than online module, which means you can use them to overheat longer. Quote: Also do you think this is a smart idea for a noob like me (no pvp experience) going straight into Assault ship or should I go Battle cruiser (drake) or stick with cruisers (caracal / moa)? Whatever you can afford really. I'd recommend flying cruisers - they'll use the same skillset as you will for missions so you can skill up for pvp and pve at the same time, plus they're cheap. when you have a decent base of money and skills go for battlecruisers - if you fit them economically and don't rig them, and fly them insured, you don't loose too much when they go pop and the drake is significantly sturdier and harder-hitting than the caracal. __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Construction	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:25:00 - [89] Originally by: Riftor I am a 1 month old Caldari Pilot and I have chosen to go down the Assault Ship path. I have two questions regarding this build. 1) Is this definitely the better build vs a Blaster Harpy or is it just a matter of preference. 2) What is in your 5th high slot, I see in between your weapons you list //HeatSink\\ but heat sinks fit in low slots so I am sorta confused. Also do you think this is a smart idea for a noob like me (no pvp experience) going straight into Assault ship or should I go Battle cruiser (drake) or stick with cruisers (caracal / moa)? Actually, use a T1 frig first :). You learn faster, and a lot vhepaer, for you will get blow up a few times in the beginnng, that you got to accept. But after that when you got a hang of it, you can go into the Harpy. Harpy > Moa imo. I have flown both in PvP. Also, for the Harpy, on mine I use 4 rails + 1 missile launcher. Its fits with high skills, so maby Merins easier to fit setup will be better to sart out in.

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