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Ancy Denaries
Caldari
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2008.11.27 13:02:00 -
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 Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
**Heart-pounding stuff***
Very entertaining to read, if nothing else, and I recognize the feeling :D
Balance is important, but you will always adapt to changing circumstances and you don't whine about stuff you can't change. |
Arkadrell
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:26:00 -
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Edited by: Arkadrell on 27/11/2008 14:28:55
Originally by: Sollos Enginnsson
My experience of combat is limited right now to simple L2 missions. I was wondering if PvP combat between Corporations/Alliances would be more complex and interactive?
Compared to WoW, there is much more preparation put into combat, even for lowly level missions. However, the actual combat itself is less fun/dynamic/interactive. While you could describe WoW as a simple button-mashing fest; from what I've experienced in EVE-Online is a simple orbit, open fire, and repeat on every other target.
Is PvP merely a lot more preparation but very similar in regards to actual combat?
some people like RTS games (eve)
some people like FPS games (jedi knights tie fighter thingy)
the combat part, is knowing what to do in certain situations and the teamwork to do them. Its a small shadow of the planning things take, the real battles are decided before they even begin most of the time (meaning the team with the best ways to counter the others, or most #s normally win).
besically 1) you plan better than the other team, or 2) you bring enough people to make up for it (better sp ect).
eve is much more like a stratagie game than it is a fps.
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Sollos Enginnsson
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.11.28 09:15:00 -
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Wow, a lot of replies! Thanks everyone! Seems I should try to get into a PvP engagement and see how it feels for myself.
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In General
Veto.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 00:51:00 -
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I've had the shakes so bad I had to visually concentrate on moving the mouse and activating modules. I've had tunnel vision so severe my nose was an inch from the screen trying to make out stuff. I've had cold sweats triggered by palpable relief sweeping my body as I reacted to the adrenaline. At times I thought my heart would jump out my mouth.
Man I need to give up the drink!
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jonnus ursidae
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Posted - 2008.11.29 08:26:00 -
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I had my first pvp the other day, mining in lowsec. Jumped in, warped to safespot, scanned belt - nobody there. Jumped to belt, aligned to a station, started mining and then FFFFZZZZAAA***K my Burst was lazered to nought. I never even saw him warp in to the belt.
Had a nice chat afterwards though, friendly bunch these pirates!
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Freak Bus
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Posted - 2008.11.29 09:27:00 -
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Fighting in Missions is rather similar to the feeling you would have punching a punch bag.
Fighting in PVP is rather similar to the feeling you would have punching Mike Tyson (well ok, it's not always like that, sometimes it feels like 7 or 8 Mike Tysons)
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Universe At War
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Posted - 2008.11.30 01:51:00 -
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Edited by: Louis deGuerre on 30/11/2008 01:53:23
PVP combat in EVE is awesome and thrilling because you and your opponent stand to lose something they've put time and effort in to put together, i.e. your ships.
So never fly anything you can't afford to lose and make sure your clone is always up to date.
That said, tonight I lost one ship, got podded, got another ship and had 8 kills tonight (5 podkills). It's two hours later and I still feel the adrenaline flowing  
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4 LOM
United Gamers
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Posted - 2008.11.30 03:54:00 -
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Originally by: Freak Bus
Fighting in Missions is rather similar to the feeling you would have punching a punch bag.
Fighting in PVP is rather similar to the feeling you would have punching Mike Tyson (well ok, it's not always like that, sometimes it feels like 7 or 8 Mike Tysons)
7 or 8 mike tysons i only have 2 ears......
Originally by: Twilight Moon
of course you have nice hair. That pod goo, is actually VO5 conditioner. 
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Arkadrell
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Posted - 2008.11.30 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Arkadrell on 30/11/2008 11:56:08
Originally by: 4 LOM
Originally by: Freak Bus
Fighting in Missions is rather similar to the feeling you would have punching a punch bag.
Fighting in PVP is rather similar to the feeling you would have punching Mike Tyson (well ok, it's not always like that, sometimes it feels like 7 or 8 Mike Tysons)
7 or 8 mike tysons i only have 2 ears......
the world record for most applied pressure within a cm3 from a punch, and your worried about your ears getting bit off? A normal person would faint/go unconsious from the first hit alone Im pretty sure.
Im sure if you had to fight 8 of them, theyd allow you to wear protective gears (which should hindre the ear bitting). Also Mike only takes your ear if hes in a badmood and loseing in points without a decent chance of K.O.
long arms and decent foot work (well just slightly better than that which mike tyson doesnt have) is the best way of winning over him, get judges to rule it your win on points ;)
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d'hofren
Queens of the Stone Age
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2008.11.30 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sollos Enginnsson
Wow, a lot of replies! Thanks everyone! Seems I should try to get into a PvP engagement and see how it feels for myself.
Get in there, just remember the four golden rules:
1) Don't fly what you can't afford to loose.
2) Regard any ship as lost from he moment you undock in it - getting attached to a ship will stop you fighting
3) Check your clone every time you undock. Check it's location and the amount of sp's it covers.
4) Don't forget to check fit before you leave - ammo and charges, (boosters, scripts, etc). You would be god smacked at the amount of gangs where four jumps from the enemy a voice pipes up with "umm anyone got a spare couple of cap charge 800's"
Rodj is correct about the initial body responses.
Remember to breath.
Watch your posture.
Have a cup of tea or some water nearby, having the occasional sip will help you stay calm.
Practice warping your pod out by frig fighting till ship death with a corp mate. With practice you should be able to get out of many disasters with your clone intact.
Faction warfare is a nice place to start for a newer player these days. Back in my day you had to choose between either going low sec pirate, (which was a toughy as sec status is hard to claw back when you can shoot the big rats), or diving straight into an established 0.0 / war dec corp.
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Mickey Simon
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.11.30 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: d'hofren
Have a cup of tea
Heh, I thought I was the only person that did this while during op's. Good to see other people recommend it :D
Meanwhile, on the other side of town . . . |
Kryziz
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.12.13 04:24:00 -
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I'm NOT WOW bashing but here it goes for me.
1) Ratting
2) For a split second I don't pay attention to local.
3) Domi locked by hostile player.
4) I fight back using energy vampires of all things :-) (I drone ratt more space in cargo if something good drops)
5) I'm pve fitted I start shaking becuase I am a nub and not scared to admit it.
6) I shake at my chair I don't want to lose an 86 million ISK fitted Domi, I call for support on alliance channel, some are too far away.
7) One shows up and saves my life.
8) Still shaking.
9) Still shaking....well because I'm new !!!
WOW
1)BG starts we run to the flag.
2)I kill a few they kill me 10 minutes later I collect some honor.
3)Rinse/Repeat
4)Don't get me wrong it's NOT all that BAD, but EVE raises my anxiety from gate to gate. Maybe when I have 1 Billion isk to play around with
I won't care but right now the game is FUN as HELL. I don't make a lot of ISK hence my ship is my money maker for stuff later on.
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Selene Dukat
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2008.12.13 05:13:00 -
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As with most things, its totally a matter of taste.
Eve combat will probably never give you that seat-of-your-pants action feel. It's definitely never going to be like some arcade style joystick game.
For a while, I thought I'd miss that. But to be honest, with 7mill skill points (to give you an idea of my place in time) I find that the strategy and tactical elements of combat make it really enjoyable.
A lot of PvP in Eve is the suspense - the setup, organization, hunt and capture part of Eve combat lasts much longer than the actual pew pew. But I love it.
So, no one is really going to be able to tell you if it will be fun for you. You'll have to just keep trying it and decide.
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Tai Paktu
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.13 06:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tai Paktu on 13/12/2008 06:54:17
Answer to the OP's question depends heavily on your definition of 'real combat.'
Soloing in a frigate or cruiser? I'd say quite fun.
20 v. 20 remote rep BS fight? Pretty fuggen fun.
Getting jammed out by 6 Falcons so 20 RR battleships can kill you? Not so fun.
Getting your cruiser hotdropped by two carriers and a mom (seen it happen, seriously)? Significant amounts of not fun.
Some will say a 500 v. 500 fleet fight with sniper BS and caps is fun.
Depends really, my advice is try it. If you don't like it, you can always go back.
Comparing EvE PvP to WoW PvP is kind of like comparing...two things that have nothing in common. Get off my back, I'm not a writer.
Sure, you can button mash, hit F1 (grouping ftw), mwd on, approach and then wait. But you'll die horribly in fire. You'' learn the finer points and the how to's by doing, because I'm not going to give too many pointers. I find it's better to learn than be told.
edit: crud, in after Mitnal. 
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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Army of One
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Posted - 2008.12.13 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Kessiaan on 13/12/2008 15:07:15
I got my first taste of pvp fighting off a canflipper in my crap fit Rupture back in my mining days. Been having a blast since.
I also played WoW for a good long time (launch to the middle of TBC) and pvp in Eve is nothing like pvp in WoW.
As you noted, your initial ship fit plays a huge role in just about everything, including pvp. What kind of pvp you prefer is totally up to you - I like to roam solo in factional warfare, but there's also roaming pirate gangs, fleet warfare in 0.0, POS battles, etc, etc.
Once the fight starts, a person / gang that can adapt in the middle of a fight and change their strategy has a huge advantage over people that can't. People who just orbit and hit F1-F8 and see who dies first tend not to do so well.
For me, Eve's style of pvp is just a huge rush, the kind I never got from WoW's consequence-free respawn-after-20-seconds pvp. Even the smallest fights can seem epic if you have a lot on the line and the odds are against you (like this one from this morning  ).
Losing in Eve sucks - I won't deny that. Especially if you lost a nice ship and/or your enemy took a system or something else of value from you. But on the flip side, when you win, you do more than just win some scenario, you get to loot his wreck, take over his system (or plex, in my case), destroy a starbase, or whatever. The fact that these kinds of player actions are what shapes the overall face of the game is what makes Eve unique among MMOs.
As for orbiting vs keep at range - it depends on the ship. If you can't track for **** and have a huge sig radius, keep at range / approach is probably better. If your guns can track and you have a small sig, keeping up your transversal at a constant range is a bigger concern and orbiting is an easy way to do that.
And now I'm rambling, so I'll shut up. Maybe get some sleep!
... besides, I've said all I'm going to say. You're reading my sig now! Bwa!
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