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Caffeine Junkie 2 Guys In Motherships	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:27:00 - [1] This may should like a fairly morbid discussion for a moment but there is a serious question behind it. In the event of my death all of my possessions etc in real life are accounted for and distributed in accordance with my will. However there is no mention of my eve accounts, while techically they have no financial value they are certainly worth something to me and could be to someone else. If I chose to leave my accounts to someone (either in RL or another player within the game) would CCP honour it and transfer the accounts (or characters) to another player? There are many places in this game where battles are fought and won, EFT isn't one of them.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:30:00 - [2] If someone else logs into your account they're officially in trouble. If that person keeps using that account it's essentially a time bomb, could go off any second and the account could be closed. If someone would Xfer the char to another account then uhm, it all depends if someone is paying attention at CCP... probably not :D
Caffeine Junkie 2 Guys In Motherships	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:32:00 - [3] Originally by: Tzar'rim If someone else logs into your account they're officially in trouble. If that person keeps using that account it's essentially a time bomb, could go off any second and the account could be closed. This is kind of my point, and its not like I would be around to transfer the char! There are many places in this game where battles are fought and won, EFT isn't one of them.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:32:00 - [4] Considering that you neither own the account nor the character or any of the items and the service contract ends with your death, I'd say, no, you can't put those on your last will. -------- Ideas for: Mining
thesonarnet Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.25 14:41:00 - [5] hm, I think such things work like every other last wish. Like if you want to give someone your house (for example), then it costs something too to change the owner in several official papers and contracts and someone has pay for it to fulfil your last wish. I think it's the same with Eve Accounts, the transfer costs something and if this fee is paid then I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work.
Goyda Destry's Lounge	Posted - 2008.11.25 15:22:00 - [6] Caffeine, you on borrowed time bro ? And yes this is a morbid thought. Interesting question however. I'm sure it would be allowed just like you can sell a char in game. Perhaps will it to someone to sell your char to someone else for like 1 isk or something.
Ascuris Wurm	Posted - 2008.11.25 16:28:00 - [7] Originally by: thesonarnet hm, I think such things work like every other last wish. Like if you want to give someone your house (for example), then it costs something too to change the owner in several official papers and contracts and someone has pay for it to fulfil your last wish. I think it's the same with Eve Accounts, the transfer costs something and if this fee is paid then I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work. This makes sense. I would think CCP would want each different person to have their own account, and your lawyer or appointed executor could transfer your chars to the designated heir's account, paying the respective character transfer fees. "It's never too late to be what you could have been" -George Eliot Especially in Eve-Online
Grarr Dexx Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2008.11.25 16:31:00 - [8] It is officially a paid service, so it would be subject to fraudulent business. I'd say no, however harsh it may sound. -----
AkRoYeR Amarr	Posted - 2008.11.25 16:44:00 - [9] Perhaps you could ask CCP for an exception to their Ghost training since it will be for real.
Pohbis Neo T.E.C.H.	Posted - 2008.11.25 16:44:00 - [10] No they would not. You do not own your account and as such, can't leave it for someone else and CCP does not allow accounts to be transfered.
Caffeine Junkie 2 Guys In Motherships	Posted - 2008.11.25 16:54:00 - [11] Originally by: Goyda Caffeine, you on borrowed time bro ? And yes this is a morbid thought. Interesting question however. Smoking, drinking, fast cars and big bikes, sooner or later one of them is going to catch up with me! There are many places in this game where battles are fought and won, EFT isn't one of them.
Caffeine Junkie 2 Guys In Motherships	Posted - 2008.11.25 16:55:00 - [12] Basically then the best I can do is to instruct the executor of my will to transfer my chars to a nominated party through the standard system, and leave my login details somewhere. There are many places in this game where battles are fought and won, EFT isn't one of them.
Reacz Caldari Havoc Violence and Chaos The Church.	Posted - 2008.11.25 17:00:00 - [13] Edited by: Reacz on 25/11/2008 17:01:33 To my loving wife I leave my EVE char with his assets... And to my lovable dog Rover, the rocking dog I leave my house, car and 5 million Great British Pounds. Wife: "Son of a b****".
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.11.25 18:30:00 - [14] I think you are taking Eve just a tad bit too seriously. --- Originally by: Roguehalo Can you nano Titans?
Ticondrius Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2008.11.25 18:43:00 - [15] Personally, if EVE keeps on as long as CCP keeps on claiming it will, they will need to consider this fact someday if not now. I know there have been players that have died before, but whatever happened to their accounts, I don't think anyone knows. Personally, I would consider it 'legal' to transfer the characters off to another account in order to meet the terms of any Will left behind. I think we need a CCP response on this, possibly even an account service where you can preset your characters to transfer to another account upon death, provided actual proof of death can be submitted. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- PROPOSAL: Good Bug Reporting Incentives MMORPG: Many Men Online Role Playing Girls
Incendi Gracious Bodily Harm	Posted - 2008.11.25 18:47:00 - [16] If you died and gave someone your account then how would CCP know? It's not like you're going to be coming back to the game and petitioning it.
Ga'len Neo Spartans	Posted - 2008.11.25 20:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 25/11/2008 17:04:33 This may sound like a fairly morbid discussion, but there is a serious question behind it. In the event of my death all of my possessions etc in real life are accounted for and distributed in accordance with my will. However there is no mention of my eve accounts, while techically they have no financial value they are certainly worth something to me and could be to someone else. If I chose to leave my accounts to someone (either in RL or another player within the game) would CCP honour it and transfer the accounts (or characters) to another player? I don't know about other places, but in the United States, some jurisdictions have specific laws on the books pertaining to ownership of digital and/or intellectual property upon your demise. In Virginia for example, you spouse would immediately have the ownership rights to any digital property that was in your name. I.E., your EVE accounts would become his/her property to do with as they saw fit. In a nutshell, if you have questions about what will happen to your digital property, you should check with your local legal resources (Attorneys who specialize in Last Wills and Testaments, property attorneys, etc...). As long as you do name the property in your will and specify what should be done with it, most jurisdictions will respect those wishes unless there is a law that forbids that action. If you don't specify what is to happen to a piece of property, digital or otherwise, it becomes the decision for the court. Do note however, you don't actually 'own' your EVE account, you play to have the right to play on the account and all digital property associated with that account. CCP actually owns the account itself. So, you may have to see about transferring 'digital permissions rights' or 'digital property rental' as some places have it defined. http://www.eve-druid.com
Pooka Caldari United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2008.11.25 20:27:00 - [18] At 59 years of age I have though of this also. I would love to leave my accounts to friends or famliy. Just think I could live on in EVE where I spend most my RL time. How about it CCP? Living wills? Be the frist to set this up!! PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT BRING THE BRIGHT STAR BACK!!! COUNTRY FIRST
Khraunus Amarr Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2008.11.25 20:35:00 - [19] You can give them to me and i'll redistribute them to your next of kin Most importantly, how are you supposed to tell whether this is part of my post or my signature?
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2008.11.25 20:38:00 - [20] Edited by: Dantes Revenge on 25/11/2008 20:46:01 Originally by: Ascuris Wurm This makes sense. I would think CCP would want each different person to have their own account, and your lawyer or appointed executor could transfer your chars to the designated heir's account, paying the respective character transfer fees. But it's a whole account and not just the transfer of a single character to another account so there's no transfer fee necessary. I would say that an email to CCP explaining that that the owner of the account died and asked that {insert name here} took posession of the account. Since they wouldn't be sharing the account unless the original owner could log in from beyond the grave, I don't think it would be an issue. I would presume that CCP would ask for proof by way of certain information like CC numbers etc if the account was paid for that way which the executor would know anyway. Just think if the original owner could play from beyond the grave though, CCP would have to re-think their policy on ghost training Originally by: Jim McGregor I think you are taking Eve just a tad bit too seriously. I can understand the point the OP is trying to make. Just because I die, it doesn't means my character should as well. It would be nice to know that my character will live on in the game after all the time I have put into training. Even if I left the game permanently, I would see about transferring my character so all the years of training him up wouldn't just be trashed. Almost like a hobby where you build models. Would you really want to see those models scrapped and thrown away after all that hard work or would you pass them on to someone else. Just because it's digital media, it doesn't make it any less of a hobby. -- There's a simple difference between kinky and perverted. Kinky is using a feather to get her in the mood. Perverted is using the whole chicken. All this has happened before and will happen again
Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.11.25 23:52:00 - [21] No, Accounts cannot be transferred. But the receiver of the Character/s can create an acount (its free to create accounts) and then you can leave the cost of transferring the characters as part of the will (ie $20? IIRC). That way CCP are happy and you are happy and it doesnt cost the person anything either! Everyone wins! Regards, Jason Brisbane
Caffeine Junkie 2 Guys In Motherships	Posted - 2008.11.26 01:22:00 - [22] Edited by: Caffeine Junkie on 26/11/2008 01:22:49 When intending to leave the characters to someone you know in real life I don't think this would be a major issue. But to leave them to someone you know in the game would perhaps be a little more tricky. After all if I share account info, or if they login it is a breach of the EULA and technically therefore the accounts (both their's and mine) can be banned. I have often thought about what I would do with my characters if I left the game permanently, no point in selling them for ISK as that is no good to me in RL. I would probably put them on the forums as a 1m isk raffle and pick the winner at random. I only bring this up because its possible someone in this situation (i.e. dead) may just want to donate their char + assets to someone whole has helped the game as a whole (e.g. Chribba). I guess in a nutshell when someone says "Can I have your stuffz?", I want to be able to say "Yes" from beyond the grave! There are many places in this game where battles are fought and won, EFT isn't one of them.
Alt Sauce	Posted - 2008.11.26 01:25:00 - [23] This is dumb. Just write your login info on a post-it note and stick it to your will. _________
Confuzer Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.11.26 01:31:00 - [24] Kinda creepy. Let's say I am your friend, you died. Suddenly I see you comming online in eve. "So they do play eve in heaven". ----------------- Destiny is not a matter of chance. It is a matter of choice. It's not a thing to be waited for - it is a thing to be achieved.
Ricky1989 The Chaotic Order Void.	Posted - 2008.11.26 02:05:00 - [25] Originally by: Caffeine Junkie Originally by: Goyda Caffeine, you on borrowed time bro ? And yes this is a morbid thought. Interesting question however. Smoking, drinking, fast cars and big bikes, sooner or later one of them is going to catch up with me! You forgot women :P
Aeo IV Amarr Xomic OmniCorporation	Posted - 2008.11.26 02:11:00 - [26] I think it's a valid question; as we advance more and more into the internet age, our online assets, such as accounts, are going to become more and more important to our being, possibly meaning more to us then, say, an ipod or wahtever. I think CCP should allow the inheritable of accounts, so long as the original owner of said account sets it up with CCP before they die.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.11.26 02:22:00 - [27] Set aside 20$ in your RL last-will-and-testament for purposes of transfering the character to somebody you know, which will handle the distribution of all your character's posessions. Done _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Hana Lena Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.11.26 02:28:00 - [28] DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! My work here is done. _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ADHD + Dyslexia = BAD SPELLING!
Xiaodown coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.11.26 02:31:00 - [29] There's a file on one of my computers that my wife knows where it is that contains commonly used passwords to online things. In the event of my untimely demise, I've told her to log in and explain in corp chat that I've shuffled loose the mortal coil, and ask someone to explain to her how to dump assets into a corp hanger. So, um, if someone in cora. wants a couple of cap ships and a couple of really nice blueprints and like 5 rapiers, i guess, hire an assassin. ~X -- Sig under construction.

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