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Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2008.12.02 12:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Mister Xerox Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde I think NPC corps having a tax would be a better way to go than screwing with war decs in favor of further protecting certain types of corporations. Incorrect. Taxes can and will be dodged easily. Just trading the goods across to a market alt who is in a one-man corp neatly prevents any taxes NPC corps might levy. Limits on NPC corps are ones that cannot be subverted... skill limits and shiptype limits are the most obvious, while agent limitations can be worked around with some work. Cant tell from your tickers if you are in a player corp or not but i'm guessing not... Corporate taxes are automatically deducted from all bounties, mission fees, and time bonus rewards of a certain value or higher. They cannot be dodged and there are no "goods" involved. This is the second Assembly Hall thread i've seen you Sarah Palin in (ECCM vs. Drones being the other gaffe). I dont want to make any assumptions about you that are unwarrented, but it does trouble me you're being so vocal on a policy forum in such a headscratching fashion. --- Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Cyprus Black Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.12.02 18:41:00 - [62] Soooooo...... You want to make the game even worse for new players? You want EvE to leave a nastier first impression on new players? Is that 50% retention too high for you? ___________________________________________________ The Escapist: EvE Online video review.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.02 18:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde Originally by: Mister Xerox Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde I think NPC corps having a tax would be a better way to go than screwing with war decs in favor of further protecting certain types of corporations. Incorrect. Taxes can and will be dodged easily. Just trading the goods across to a market alt who is in a one-man corp neatly prevents any taxes NPC corps might levy. Limits on NPC corps are ones that cannot be subverted... skill limits and shiptype limits are the most obvious, while agent limitations can be worked around with some work. Cant tell from your tickers if you are in a player corp or not but i'm guessing not... Corporate taxes are automatically deducted from all bounties, mission fees, and time bonus rewards of a certain value or higher. They cannot be dodged and there are no "goods" involved. This is the second Assembly Hall thread i've seen you Sarah Palin in (ECCM vs. Drones being the other gaffe). I dont want to make any assumptions about you that are unwarrented, but it does trouble me you're being so vocal on a policy forum in such a headscratching fashion. Even if inaccurate... he has a valid point. Taxation is chump change... and means nothing to the greater majority of the pilots out there in EVE... and CCP is not likely to warrant a very high tax rate. So why don't you pull your foot out of your mouth and re-insert your breathing tubes before you cut the oxygen off from your brain while flying your ship in your pod.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.02 18:59:00 - [64] Originally by: Cyprus Black Soooooo...... You want to make the game even worse for new players? You want EvE to leave a nastier first impression on new players? Is that 50% retention too high for you? This o7 @ CB The biggest issue here that people refuse to acknowledge is they "Assume" that every bloody player that plays this game for the first time is going to PVP all the way or be a pirate. When in fact the greater majority of them have no bloody idea what they are doing the first few weeks in... and 9 times out of 10 they will gripe and complain and whine and go back to WOW and thereby cutting off your nice little hefty profits.... This leads to stagnation.... no change... no growth... nothing new... same ol song next verse exponentially rising. You people are so damn shortsighted its disgusting. Yes there are major issues and exploits about corp jumping and hiding in NPC... but you forget the actual legitimate ones who are NOT hiding... who have no intention of getting involved. While they smacktalk you and hide off.... honestly that should be a petitionable offense in my eyes.. just to shut them up. But instead you give CCP very little reason or inclination to bother to get invovle with your hypocritical viewpoints. I may be terse and trollish... but you cannot deny the logic of my standpoint. I don't have a solution.... but this is not as cut and dry as "lets tax all NPC Corps" to what end? "Lets force all players to join a corp or be in a war-decable NPC corp" Congratualtions... greifing shall commence post haste... let the mass station camping spree begin for all new players who happen to have full time jobs and have little to no time to figuire out wtf your doing and why? Sorry... GB2WOW doesn't work here. I keep saying... find middle ground... stop tugging everything to one end of the field to the other. But alas... they fall on deaf ears and I get labeled any number of things. Such as life in the world of EVE.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.12.04 11:19:00 - [65] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 04/12/2008 11:20:36 Oh not this again. 2005 wants their topic back. Edit: The less than subtle hint is that people have been whining about this for years and yet CCP have the smarts to realise that ***ing off their high-sec player-base without giving them alternatives is a one-way ticket to reduced subscriptions. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties...* Environmental Effects
Terra Mikael Private Nuisance	Posted - 2008.12.04 12:02:00 - [66] Edited by: Terra Mikael on 04/12/2008 12:04:55 Taxing noob corps is a dumb idea. Exploit the system or be exploited. That's the name of the game. Honestly, If you're too damn dumb to use game mechanics to work for you, then no amount of in-game fixes is going to fix your problem. And Hell, if you can't find a corp that doesn't fall apart when you war dec it you're doing something wrong. Maybe you should stop dec'ing one man corps and actually dec corps that have something to lose by disbanding. ________________________________ Originally by: Korovyov You WIN! And by win, I mean suck horse manure.
Pax Ratlin Gallente Woodland Larch	Posted - 2008.12.04 14:42:00 - [67] Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 04/12/2008 11:20:36 Oh not this again. 2005 wants their topic back. Edit: The less than subtle hint is that people have been whining about this for years and yet CCP have the smarts to realise that ****ing off their high-sec player-base without giving them alternatives is a one-way ticket to reduced subscriptions. Your assumption that each time this topic comes to the fore (usually once a month), with the same complaint and the same solutions to the said complaint, is a genuine and sincere thread, with no prior knowledge of any of the previous 50 or so threads since 2005 shows that you have a greater faith in mankind than i, that's for sure. A more cynical and suspicious minded person, i.e. me, might think that the continual efforts of a very very vocal and small part of the player base to bring to the attention of the forums an issue, the arguments against which are well known and well founded, and the solutions to which have been repeatedly discredited since 2005, is nothing more than an attempt to get what they want by pure brute force and ignorance.
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2008.12.05 01:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Astria Tiphareth Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 04/12/2008 11:20:36 Oh not this again. 2005 wants their topic back. Ok, great answer. Although tbqh? I wish I hadn't been drinking soda when I read it... My nose hurts from all the soda that just went through it... AK Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking. Ethics, Honor and Respect. Without the first two, you can't buy the last one...
Asuri Kinnes Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated	Posted - 2008.12.05 03:50:00 - [69] You know, I've read back over this thread a couple times now, and tbqh - I don't know if I support this anymore... Can't really find it in me to care about anyone else's toon that might be "3 yrs old and in a n00b corp" - just cannot be arsed! Part-time players - there have to be some that only log on a couple hours a week (I don't know any... but they HAVE to be out there ) The n00b corps are great for them - no worries about what the corp is doing,no worrying that you log in for the first time in 5 days and find yourself in a war - a war that you know nothing about, and have even less interest in... Military Players - I've been dinged by a couple of buddies who are current military - they have no interest in being in anyone's corp - don't care about the reasons, they just don't care. They want to stay in the NPC corps - and thats it... vOv So some kid smack talks someone? Big deal... vOv AK Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking. Ethics, Honor and Respect. Without the first two, you can't buy the last one...
Axel Vindislaga	Posted - 2008.12.12 14:48:00 - [70] This is a very important discussion. I haven't been playing that long but I have been in a corp that had war dec'd on it. We had war dec'd because someone looted a wreck. We never found out who it was and the people who dec'd war on us never said who it was. The guys in the corp were too inexperienced to know they had no chance and were mercilessly slaughtered OVER A FREAKIN WRECK! This situation is MADNESS. You have these bloodthirsty PVP "people" attempting to tell CCP what Eve is... The only reason I am not in an NPC corp is because of the Drivel that gets discussed. Thats an incentive for me to leave I can tell you How about you nasties just head on out to 0.0 and leave NPC corps THE HELL ALONE! I have to tell my new recruits (not many) to travel 23 jumps or more to sign on so that you can't find us near our HQ. Cos any of you could up and Dec. war on us over this post FFS. THUMBS DOWN!!! And btw I can be found in 0.4 most of the time...and I still find it offencive to read people complaining that they find it too difficult to exact their petty vengeances.
DEATHsyphon Gallente 8lack Wing Vanguard.	Posted - 2008.12.12 16:15:00 - [71] .......MEH....... This is what suicide Ganking is for but of course I'm sure you want to nerf that to.. ^^ -------------------- I'm not not going to pod you!
Drake Draconis Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.12.12 17:47:00 - [72] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 12/12/2008 17:47:36 Originally by: Axel Vindislaga This is a very important discussion. I haven't been playing that long but I have been in a corp that had war dec'd on it. We had war dec'd because someone looted a wreck. We never found out who it was and the people who dec'd war on us never said who it was. The guys in the corp were too inexperienced to know they had no chance and were mercilessly slaughtered OVER A FREAKIN WRECK! This situation is MADNESS. You have these bloodthirsty PVP "people" attempting to tell CCP what Eve is... The only reason I am not in an NPC corp is because of the Drivel that gets discussed. Thats an incentive for me to leave I can tell you How about you nasties just head on out to 0.0 and leave NPC corps THE HELL ALONE! I have to tell my new recruits (not many) to travel 23 jumps or more to sign on so that you can't find us near our HQ. Cos any of you could up and Dec. war on us over this post FFS. THUMBS DOWN!!! And btw I can be found in 0.4 most of the time...and I still find it offencive to read people complaining that they find it too difficult to exact their petty vengeances. highlighted the most important part. You people paying attention yet? And yes.... the opposite goes for everyone else... except you don't hardly hear them.... rabid growling of the PVP'ers drowns it out. I keep saying this...and it keeps falling on deaf ears. You need to meet on middle ground.... shifting the balance to either extreme is stupid.
Solomon XI Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.12.12 20:58:00 - [73] Something -does- need to be done about NPC corporations. The fact that people can stay in an NPC corporation and operate with immunity is troublesome. All the reward; zero risk. * --/supported & signed.**
Axel Vindislaga	Posted - 2008.12.17 12:31:00 - [74] This is an ideal way to use the Bounty hunters to your advantage. If and when Bounty huntng is revised you can hire them to weed out your hated singular enemies.
JVol The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2008.12.18 01:38:00 - [75] Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 12/12/2008 17:47:36 Originally by: Axel Vindislaga This is a very important discussion. I haven't been playing that long but I have been in a corp that had war dec'd on it. We had war dec'd because someone looted a wreck. We never found out who it was and the people who dec'd war on us never said who it was. The guys in the corp were too inexperienced to know they had no chance and were mercilessly slaughtered OVER A FREAKIN WRECK! This situation is MADNESS. You have these bloodthirsty PVP "people" attempting to tell CCP what Eve is... The only reason I am not in an NPC corp is because of the Drivel that gets discussed. Thats an incentive for me to leave I can tell you How about you nasties just head on out to 0.0 and leave NPC corps THE HELL ALONE! I have to tell my new recruits (not many) to travel 23 jumps or more to sign on so that you can't find us near our HQ. Cos any of you could up and Dec. war on us over this post FFS. THUMBS DOWN!!! And btw I can be found in 0.4 most of the time...and I still find it offencive to read people complaining that they find it too difficult to exact their petty vengeances. highlighted the most important part. You people paying attention yet? And yes.... the opposite goes for everyone else... except you don't hardly hear them.... rabid growling of the PVP'ers drowns it out. I keep saying this...and it keeps falling on deaf ears. You need to meet on middle ground.... shifting the balance to either extreme is stupid. Sorry to be the one to tell you ( no im not ), but *Eve IS a PVP game*. EVERYTHING in the game from miners to pve'rs support PVP in one way or another, from the ships and mods built to the mission runners who put faction ships on the market to eventually be used in pvp ( volentary or not ). To assume for ONE second your NOT playing a pvp game is just silly. Im not in favor of griefing noobs, ( unless they get mouthy ), but a 1-4 year old player in a NOOB corp is just wrong, not being able to dec them is a loophole ccp doesnt need, you honestly think a guy whos played the game for four years is gonna quit cause ccp makes npc corp 'vets' dec'able? Funny that everytime carebears are threatend, they start squakin about how ccp is going to lose subscriptions.. Last time I looked EVE was still the absolute BEST MMO out there, period. Where are they gonna go? lol.. The answer is they wont go anywhere, they will adapt as they have many times before and move on. Keep noob corps for noobs, make vets move outta momma's basement and intergrate with the genpop..
Daemonspirit Minmatar Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2008.12.18 04:47:00 - [76] Originally by: JVol Sorry to be the one to tell you ( no im not ), but *Eve IS a PVP game*. EVERYTHING in the game from miners to pve'rs support PVP in one way or another, from the ships and mods built to the mission runners who put faction ships on the market to eventually be used in pvp ( volentary or not ). To assume for ONE second your NOT playing a pvp game is just silly. Im not in favor of griefing noobs, ( unless they get mouthy ), but a 1-4 year old player in a NOOB corp is just wrong, not being able to dec them is a loophole ccp doesnt need, you honestly think a guy whos played the game for four years is gonna quit cause ccp makes npc corp 'vets' dec'able? Funny that everytime carebears are threatend, they start squakin about how ccp is going to lose subscriptions.. Last time I looked EVE was still the absolute BEST MMO out there, period. Where are they gonna go? lol.. The answer is they wont go anywhere, they will adapt as they have many times before and move on. Keep noob corps for noobs, make vets move outta momma's basement and intergrate with the genpop.. #1 - There are some people who just do not care to associate with others. #2 - There are people who don't play often or much. #3 - There are people who don't WANT to be associated with anyone, nor do they wish to cater to anyone elses ideas of "what the game is" - as its obvious that CCP has integrated a whole BUNCH of non-pvp activities... (Mission running?) #4 - Military Guys (hard as this might be to believe - there are some of 'em that don't want to be under the authority of anyone else in their game time...) #5 - NPC corps are fine, leave 'em be... No support. ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2008.12.18 06:56:00 - [77] Originally by: Daemonspirit Originally by: JVol Sorry to be the one to tell you ( no im not ), but *Eve IS a PVP game*. EVERYTHING in the game from miners to pve'rs support PVP in one way or another, from the ships and mods built to the mission runners who put faction ships on the market to eventually be used in pvp ( volentary or not ). To assume for ONE second your NOT playing a pvp game is just silly. Im not in favor of griefing noobs, ( unless they get mouthy ), but a 1-4 year old player in a NOOB corp is just wrong, not being able to dec them is a loophole ccp doesnt need, you honestly think a guy whos played the game for four years is gonna quit cause ccp makes npc corp 'vets' dec'able? Funny that everytime carebears are threatend, they start squakin about how ccp is going to lose subscriptions.. Last time I looked EVE was still the absolute BEST MMO out there, period. Where are they gonna go? lol.. The answer is they wont go anywhere, they will adapt as they have many times before and move on. Keep noob corps for noobs, make vets move outta momma's basement and intergrate with the genpop.. #1 - There are some people who just do not care to associate with others. #2 - There are people who don't play often or much. #3 - There are people who don't WANT to be associated with anyone, nor do they wish to cater to anyone elses ideas of "what the game is" - as its obvious that CCP has integrated a whole BUNCH of non-pvp activities... (Mission running?) #4 - Military Guys (hard as this might be to believe - there are some of 'em that don't want to be under the authority of anyone else in their game time...) #5 - NPC corps are fine, leave 'em be... No support. Funny thing is booting everyone over a year old out of noob corps, (they arent noobs anymore) and into their own free one man corp, solves your anti social problems and the 'war dec immunity' problem some vets exploit, all at once.. Let them out into the same cold harsh eve we all enjoy they will adapt..
Grigo M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.12.18 09:29:00 - [78] no RO Originally by: Avernus ...some kudos to using your main to post like an asshat though... doesn't really take balls though, you're on the internet.
Daemonspirit Minmatar Redhawk Tribal Trust	Posted - 2008.12.18 20:30:00 - [79] Originally by: JVol Funny thing is booting everyone over a year old out of noob corps, (they arent noobs anymore) and into their own free one man corp, solves your anti social problems and the 'war dec immunity' problem some vets exploit, all at once.. Let them out into the same cold harsh eve we all enjoy they will adapt.. /me sighs..... People who don't play often, or much should not be forced anywhere. You want to force a playstyle on them... No ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö
JVol Amarr The IMorral MAjority	Posted - 2008.12.18 21:13:00 - [80] Originally by: Daemonspirit Originally by: JVol Funny thing is booting everyone over a year old out of noob corps, (they arent noobs anymore) and into their own free one man corp, solves your anti social problems and the 'war dec immunity' problem some vets exploit, all at once.. Let them out into the same cold harsh eve we all enjoy they will adapt.. /me sighs..... People who don't play often, or much should not be forced anywhere. You want to force a playstyle on them... No Think of it as 'redirected into the mainstream' if it softens it enough for you. Frankly nobody cares how much 'some' players play, amount of playtime shouldnt have any impact on everyone being on an equel playing field. Currently eve has an 'easy mode' for mission runners and indy alts that are vets and are in no need of such isulation from the player base.
Lrrp Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.12.19 05:07:00 - [81] So let me get this right. We have griefers upset because they can't war dec peeps in npc corps and the resulting posts are how to get these npc corp players out into the "real" world of Eve. To which I reply, who made you god? Are there are not enough players that are in corps that you cannot war dec? Or are you simply looking for easy kills to pad your epeen? Better yet, if you want to prove yourself just come on out to Alliance space and I'm sure you will find all the pvp'ing you want. Oh? Whats that? The alliance members will gang up and kill you instead? So you get to avoid being massacred by staying out of alliance space yet you don't want to afford a equal refuge for those who choose to not to get involved in the darker side of Eve. I think I sense the word "loser" cropping up.
Darwin Award	Posted - 2008.12.19 05:42:00 - [82] hmm... ok, we force people out of the npc corporations, they either make their own or get assigned to another, they get war deced. they can close and start another one making the entire point moot or just stop playing all together because they can nolonger play a game the way they want to... Forget this quickly. Theres a reason that it's called high security. If you don't like it, go somewhere else. As for me, because I dislike all the pvp, and insane ranting that goes with being affiliated with corps I'm going back to a npc corp. You call me carebear. I call me Player vs Environment. I'm also going to point out the most epic flaw by the OP. 100% safe. No such thing. Yes, this is an alt, but I figured this here post is worth the Darwin Award.
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.12.19 06:34:00 - [83] I support a 10% tax at a minimum threshhold no real newbie will reach. Everything else: No. --
Jack Caelum	Posted - 2008.12.21 03:38:00 - [84] As a fairly new player, I think the idea of punishing or kicking people out of the noob corps is horrible. The advice of some of the 1 or 2 year old players has been very helpful in smoothing the insane learning curve this game has. Having noob corps with experienced players in them is a good thing. If there is a problem with the wardec system, change it, but this idea seems pretty ******ed.
Slave 775 Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.09 10:08:00 - [85] i fully support this. Centuries ago, the Bible warned of dangers posed by evil men described as ômaster[s] at evil ideasö and ôscheming to do bad.ö (Proverbs 24:8) PRIVATEERS Officialy nerfed by CCP 05/07

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