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White Ronin
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.26 13:58:00 -
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2008.11.26 14:08:00 -
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 Originally by: White Ronin
Supported?
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White Ronin
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.26 14:25:00 -
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Sorry, hit the ENTER typing the title and posted a blank.
Supported.
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Haldir Ravenclaw
Tenacious Tendencies
Black Union Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.26 17:11:00 -
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/signed
Drones in general need to be looked at, and especially drone ships (Vexor/Domi etc). While they are pretty good at their role, they are not true dedicated drone ships. I see a dedicated drone ship have minimal/zero turret slots, instead replaced by utility slots and a bigger/better drone bonus for the skills.
A few other things worth mentioning that's relevant here:
- First off, no T2 drone modules. Every other weapon system has T2 stuff, so why not drones?
- Coming straight from point one, faction drone modules? Shadow Serpentis and Gallente Navy drone modules from faction spawns/LP store.
- Mentioned before, no drone implants at all (although CCP highlighted they are possibly thinking about making some - check this link for more info and put your ideas forward).
- 'Improved' and 'Augmented' drones. Plain rubbish. Only the Gallente drones are available, extremely difficult to get and overall not worth it over normal T2 drones. How about empire faction drones with slight damage/HP/etc buff from LP store (maxe X-run bpc perhaps)? Make the Improved and Augmented more powerful than what they are now if they are to be kept that rare - so long as other races ones come out, otherwise make them more available.
- Direct drone damage modules. We have ones that improve drone control range, speed and tracking but no damage. How about a low slot module (like mag stabs, BCU's etc) that increase ALL drones' damage? Faction variants would be good here too.
- Better drone rigs. Mainly drone damage rigs that aren't sentry damage rigs.
- Fighters in general. Only 2 skills (1 if you don't have Gallente Carrier with Thanatos) and 1 module that affects these. Can we get more modules for them? Make the other drone skills useful to fighters? T2 fighters? The list goes on.
Once tech-3 comes out I really, REALLY hope we can make ourselves a proper dedicated drone ship, with, for example, bonuses to just drone stuff if we want to (e.g. Gallente Battleship bonus - same as Dominix drone bonus and whatever skill to fly T3 ship either the same bonus, or things like better HP/speed etc). Of course, I would love to have a dedicated ship with a monster drone damage bonus (mini-Moros anyone?  ) while foregoing guns etc.
That is all. 
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We want T2/Faction drone modules!
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Mister Xerox
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Posted - 2008.11.26 17:11:00 -
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I'm not a heavy drone user, but I agree 100% - drones seem to have been forgotten, but they are effective weapon systems.
Yes, the faction drones need to have a higher concentration of drops for all 4 racial types.
Yes, there needs to be at least one faction drone boat (granted, no NPC uses drones, but...)
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Drake Draconis
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.11.26 17:12:00 -
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/signed
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Bellum Eternus
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.26 18:09:00 -
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Big Fat SIGNED.
Not to derail the thread or anything, but can we make sure any awesome new drone ships DON'T use the Dominix model? It's quite possibly the worst in Eve.
Bellum Eternus
Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Death of Virtue is Recruiting
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InfamousOne
Chaos Coalition
Chaotic Evolution
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Posted - 2008.11.26 19:57:00 -
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I am mainly a missile user, but I do love my T2 mediums :-)
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Tusko Hopkins
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:23:00 -
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Signed, because of the EW part.
I do not think that drone damage should be increased tho... so if it was up to me, I would add hardwirings, but not those for rof and base damage.
CSM representative
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Kahetha
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Posted - 2008.11.27 09:36:00 -
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supported
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2008.11.27 10:37:00 -
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I brought up drone implants the last time, and we still haven't seen any of that in the game.
So unless Tusko insists on having this issue, I'll bring it up!
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Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.11.27 10:52:00 -
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I would not priorize drone ships atm. A drone boat can switch weapon size and dmg type in fight ! In fact QR stealth boosted drone boats. Just look at those threads like "my bigbutt ship cannot hit afterburning whatsever with ultralarge guns/missiles". A droneboat user can effectively hit all sizes of ships, while gun/missile guys are stuck to same size and bigger targets. Drone boats are so cool now ! :-)
What I mean is not a general critics. I love some of your ideas, but I would not implement them until somekind of natural balance is established in current combat system.
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Junmar
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Posted - 2008.11.27 13:57:00 -
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That would be interesting. Supported.
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White Ronin
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Zhula Guixgrixks
I would not priorize drone ships atm. A drone boat can switch weapon size and dmg type in fight ! In fact QR stealth boosted drone boats. Just look at those threads like "my bigbutt ship cannot hit afterburning whatsever with ultralarge guns/missiles". A droneboat user can effectively hit all sizes of ships, while gun/missile guys are stuck to same size and bigger targets. Drone boats are so cool now ! :-)
Trust me, they lose the total "cool" thing once they get destroyed and you are left without any dps. Doesnt sound "cool" now do they. Missile launchers do they same thing and you cant destroy them and they always hit.
There are TONS of things for missile users.
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What I mean is not a general critics. I love some of your ideas, but I would not implement them until somekind of natural balance is established in current combat system.
Um, drones are a primary weapons system and they are part of the current combat system, which (btw) works pretty well now. Lets try not to continue treating them as secondary and start treating them as a primary weapons system that many players have great interest in.
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Dariah Stardweller
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Posted - 2008.11.27 14:37:00 -
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Supporting the drone cause 
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Crinela
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Posted - 2008.11.27 15:21:00 -
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signed, totaly agree with your points of view.
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Karentaki
Fighting While Intoxicated
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.11.27 20:07:00 -
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/signed
Originally by: Bellum Eternus
Big Fat SIGNED.
Not to derail the thread or anything, but can we make sure any awesome new drone ships DON'T use the Dominix model? It's quite possibly the worst in Eve.
Nooo, my domi is pretty!!! Just imagine a faction drone ship using the rogue-drone dominix model... now that would be sexy!
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Hooded Person
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Posted - 2008.11.27 20:08:00 -
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Supported - also confirming I'm Chribba's alt! 
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Rutger Centemus
Joint Empire Squad
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Posted - 2008.11.28 01:02:00 -
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supported
Originally by: Crumplecorn
I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
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Posted - 2008.11.28 01:24:00 -
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Supported
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Irida Mershkov
El Bastardos
EVESpace
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Posted - 2008.11.28 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 28/11/2008 01:51:18
Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 28/11/2008 01:51:08
Supported 100%. Drones are awesome, give us m0ar.
Edit: Navy Issue Dominix too pls. In Deimos camo.
Second Edit: Forgot to bloody tick.
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Mulco
Metalheads
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Posted - 2008.11.28 01:59:00 -
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signed, this is something that i have wanted the last four years.
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Bunyip
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Posted - 2008.11.28 05:08:00 -
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While the other representatives have already stated an interest in these issues, I'd just like to support the option myself. I fly drones often, and they're a weapon system that has been ignored (except in the case of rampant nerfs) for far too long.
-Bunyip
"May all your hits be crits." - Knights of the Dinner Table. |
Haldir Ravenclaw
Tenacious Tendencies
Black Union Brothers
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Irida Mershkov
Navy Issue Dominix too pls. In Deimos camo.
I object! If there's going to be a Navy Dominix it should be black like the Megathron Navy Issue!
Speaking of Navy Domi's, wasn't there some reward for a tournament or something like it a good while back where the reward was originally a Navy Dominix but they swapped the reward at the end? Who knows.
Anyway... Even though I've signed, I do hope we'll see changes when T3 ships come out and all manner of new stuff comes out in next big expansion next year, would be a good time to add things like this. I can see people hating them for the lag they make, but they are easily destroyed and need constant replacements, so any new modules to boost them would be great to make them a proper primary weapon system.
PS - Drones are still stupid, even after their so called "memory upgrade" as it was called 
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2008.11.28 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Haldir Ravenclaw
Speaking of Navy Domi's, wasn't there some reward for a tournament or something like it a good while back where the reward was originally a Navy Dominix but they swapped the reward at the end? Who knows.
the gallente election event (which they wouldn't let me run as a candidate for) was supposed to award navy domi's but we got navy thron's instead. I was not happy.
supporting this too tho as I am a rabid domi pilot
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Kiotsu Adler
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Posted - 2008.11.28 18:32:00 -
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we want moar drone love
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Efferil
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Posted - 2008.11.28 23:12:00 -
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Yes more love for the drones would be nice.
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
Art of War
Exalted.
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Posted - 2008.11.29 00:23:00 -
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I find it hilarious that already ship having primary weapon system something else than drones, like missiles!, and has very limited drone bay, still has to rely on drones providing significant amount of dps. Usually around 30% even on missileboat!
So no, drones don't need boost. They are already overpowered in so many ways.
If there would be any new additions to drones those should be very carefully NERFED accordingly to keep all that stuff in balance.
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galphi
Roid Ravagers
Unitary Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.11.29 00:29:00 -
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I agree that drone dps is fine, but all the other drone abilities need some love. Implants and tech 2 fittings would be nice too!
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White Ronin
Gallente
Blueprint Haus
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Posted - 2008.11.29 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
I find it hilarious that already ship having primary weapon system something else than drones, like missiles!, and has very limited drone bay, still has to rely on drones providing significant amount of dps. Usually around 30% even on missileboat!
So no, drones don't need boost. They are already overpowered in so many ways.
I dont think their use should be enhanced in any way, shape or form on none drone specialized ships. Personally I would limit their use a lot more for non drone dedicated ships but that is not the point of this thread.
Drones are now being used to fill gaps in ship balance for missile and gun boats but this "everyone gets some" method means those drone dedicated ships cant be augmented, no new drone modules or implants can be added without boosting 80% of the ships out there.
And I agree that on non dedicated drone boats they are just right in dps and such. Overpowered even. But dont nerf the domi or myr cause you want to reign in the Raven or Thorax.
For the dedicated drone users and their drone specialized ships it means we get ignored cause our beloved drones have been pimped out onto almost every ship ever made.
But just to clarify, I am not asking for ANY added utility or whatever for NON DRONE DEDICATED SHIPS.
I am asking for the same attention to be given to dedicated drone users that has been given to gun and missile users since day one.
If it were up to me I would limit what drones could be used on gun and missile boats.
Why should a caldari Raven use ecm drones as well as a ship built around the use of ALL drones?
Why do you have to nerf every other utility drone so bad that using them is stupid because they are allowed to be used by every ship with a big enough drone bay?
I am asking for ccp to make up their mind and show some love to us drone users, not buff drones as a secondary weapons system for anyone else.
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If there would be any new additions to drones those should be very carefully NERFED accordingly to keep all that stuff in balance.
That is what has happened with every utility drone out there and look what you get. They are worthless to use, even on drone spec'd ships. When was the last time you saw energy nuet drones being used? How about TD drones? Well?
You see tons of ecm drone used BY NON DRONE SPECIALIZED SHIPS! Why? Cause if my myr or domi uses 5 ecm drones of any size I will be blown to bits cause my major bonus is to drones and their damage.
Personally I would double the drone control cost on non drone spec'd ships. I would add bonuses to all the drones when used by a dedicated drone boat. I would make their use of advanced drones on a Raven or a Typhoon difficult and basic so that the more complicated drone drones could be used by the ships that are built around them.
Using them to fill a gap in ship design has screwed us. If you add damage mods for normal drones you boost 80% of the ships in service. NOt because no damage mod is needed, but because drones are *****d out to every ship in the universe now days.
But this is not about that.
It is about ccp realizing they need to pay attention to them and stop whoring them out. Fix it so that if you boost drone ships you dont end up boosting every ship in EVE. Balance drones to work well on drone spec'd ships and give those who train for it fun and interesting toys that every other weapons system has had from the beginning.
Dont get me wrong. It is a big job. CCP will have to make some changes in the basic use of drones by EVERY SHIP IN THE GAME to begin adding drone based content.
There is a flaw in drone implementation.
It effects every drone capable ship in EVE (80%+ ships in use).
And if it isnt addressed, drones will fall into a "add-on" role, forever religated to a secondary role. No new drones or implants or mods will be successfully introduced. They will become ho hum.
I would prefer that doesnt happen.
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