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Khergit Deserters
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:01:00 -
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Err, this conspiracy against null sec alliances is also affecting me in high sec. Can't buy shiny new ships, they're too expensive these days. C'mon CCP, focus your conspiracies better! |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3716
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Posted - 2012.04.09 18:03:00 -
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I say 2 months before it stabalizes to near early eve era times. Where future hulkageddons might get boo'ed at depending how far they're going to nerf the hell out of gun mining, if they go all the way alot of people are going to get screwed.
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Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
210
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Posted - 2012.04.10 02:52:00 -
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You might want to modify the Hellcat fit to use a T1 Elutriation rig. I've bought up half of the T2 salvage in the game to give to all the little Dust Bunnies
TY for Dust, CCP |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
1129
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:39:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
135
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:47:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Moved from General Discussion.
Cool, but care to comment? Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Astroniomix
EliteTroll
36
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Posted - 2012.04.10 13:58:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:CCP Phantom wrote:Moved from General Discussion. Cool, but care to comment? Phantom is actualy a bot, and therefore incapable of posting. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1296
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Posted - 2012.04.10 14:41:00 -
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I counter the OP's argument with a question: why are faction mods rising in price? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
Mutnin
SQUIDS.
158
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Posted - 2012.04.10 16:54:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Okay. Tell me, specifically, HOW CCP is raising prices on the market. What method are they using? Are they going into the data files and changing numbers? How is this being done? Answer this and maybe the OP has a point. Don't answer it, and I can see why you're blocked, OP.
However, you go further and claim CCP is "fixing the economy so..." Okay. How are they doing it? Or, is this some mystery thing only CCP knows, and we're benefitting from your rapier like nostril abilities....you smell a rat? Go ahead. Take as much space as you need.
How is CCP raising prices on the market? How is CCP "fixing it so" you can't buy these ships?
CCP has publicly gone on a bot banning rage and stated they will be banning them daily from now on. It's hard to determine how much of the price rise is from the bot bans vs the speculation on this affair.
CCP has stated they will nerf the Drone lands causing less minerals to be pumped into the economy.
CCP have also previously nerfed lvl 4 mission loot that used to be refined to minerals and if Im' not mistaken are planning to nerf it more.
CCP nerfed the Pax reprocessing that helped cap prices on certain minerals.
CCP added incursions & WH's and moved LVL 5's all to low sec which are all changes that have had some effect on the mineral prices because less players are doing LVL 4's & 5's and reprocessing their loot drops.
This is 5 things I can think of off the top of my head that have helped cause rising prices that are a direct result of CCP's actions on the market paired with player speculation. CCP has hence failed to react and soften the blow to ease the player base into the new changes but instead have allowed the market to run amok.
Player caused issues
War in Drone lands, but at this point I'd suspect bot bannings might pay a bigger roll at this point.
Suicide ganks probably play a rolll as well but I doubt it's a heavy impact on prices as side from speculation about hulkageddon and that's likely only issues with prices of Hulks & Macks.
Market speculation due to all the changes & announcements CCP has carelessly made with no intervention and more of a welp lets see what happens approach.
This has lead to ship prices doubling in price in less than 2 months and CCP is doing nothing to reverse this so it's of course going to get worse. This causes people to grind more to replace their losses because in most cases shipping down "isn't" a option which leads to less PVP in the long run.
I look forward to 80 million ISK Drakes & 20 million ISK Ruptures.. |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:06:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I counter the OP's argument with a question: why are faction mods rising in price?
I counter the OP's argument with a statement: Masternerdguy is possibly the worst poster the eve forums have ever seen.
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Bob McGenericname
Alekhine's Gun
10
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Posted - 2012.04.10 17:08:00 -
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At first I read this as baseless alarmism from a guy who doesn't remember that ships used to be pretty expensive back in the days of RRBS being one of the two fleet comps that could be flown. Then I remembered MNG is never wrong, so I went and double checked, and he's totally not wrong. The dev blog totally says that every cap and supercap fleet in the game will be losing their ships to allow us a more level PvP playing field and every money moon is getting straight up removed from the game to facilitate more cruiser and frigate fights.
Fortunately, since his exhaustive list doesn't include Muninns or Drakefleet, I can just go and apply to Black Legion and win win win. |
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Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
850
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Posted - 2012.04.11 01:35:00 -
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Mutnin wrote:This has lead to ship prices doubling in price in less than 2 months and CCP is doing nothing to reverse this so it's of course going to get worse. This causes people to grind more to replace their losses because in most cases shipping down "isn't" a option which leads to less PVP in the long run.
It won't get much worse long-term, because ore prices have now risen to the point where mining in the various security bands is now competitive with other income sources.
For hi-sec, that means ore prices in the 150-200 ISK/m3 range. For null-sec, that means ore prices in the 500-600 ISK/m3 range. (Roughly.) |
Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
53
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:09:00 -
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And thus, people shall buy more pled to remove the huge isk stockpiles from some people so plex buyers can afford the more expensive ships.
Working as intended. |
Rawls Canardly
Phoenix Confederation
24
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:16:00 -
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I doubt AHAC fleets will be reduced much, seeing as the changes don't really affect morphite and moon goo. Ok, maybe morphite, but not by much. Battleships/Capitals/Supercapitals are boned, however. |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
288
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:56:00 -
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Wow, I better put my tinfoil hat on.
Yes, mineral prices have doubled in a month. The Pax nerf certainly helped me make a couple of billion on nocxium in a couple of hours, and facilitated transfer of stranded pools of material in the dronelands to hisec. But mostly the price rise is speculation caused by the massive pools of ISK washing around EVE.
CCP is not intervening because they almost certainly are monitoring the flow of minerals from mining, to manufacture, and coming to the conclusion there is stockpiling going on. Indeed, there are 279 trillion units of trit in the game currently; that is a fairly hefty chunk of material which could flow into the market once everyone sees the hoarding flip to dumping. Hence, it is not CCP's prerogative to adjust mineral prices when the players themselves are creating the problem.
Stop whining that other kids are playing in your sandbox, and mine more sand. Though probably give the hulk a rest from the 28th April for a week, I'd suggest. The skilful employer of men will employ the wise man, the brave man, the covetous man, and the stupid man. Sun Tzu https://twitter.com/#/trinketsfriend
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
395
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Posted - 2012.04.11 03:45:00 -
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masternerdguy wrote:The stealth nerf of nullsec pvp is coming along nicely as mineral prices shoot through the sky. For those of you who are unfamiliar with CCP's nefarious plot to nerf nullsec pvp they are making everything more expensive so that big, effective fleets are no longer economical to field. We can expect the following fleets to gradually go extinct after the next expansion.
- Hellcats
- Thundercats
- Alpha Gangs
- Supercap Blobs
- Capital Blobs
- AHAC Gangs
CCP is fixing the economy so that people like you can't field cool ships. This is a stealth nerf of nullsec because they think the way big fleet PVP currently occurs in nullsec is (correctly) different from what they advertise. They want more "diversity" in the average gang so they are making effective gangs too expensive to use. Save the hellcats!
It's a nerf to the affordability of T1 ships. T2/T3 based comps will be fine.
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Xuse Senna
Saiph Industries SRS.
161
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Posted - 2012.04.11 07:08:00 -
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Don't Touch My HellKitty xD D3 |
Roime
Shiva Furnace
452
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Posted - 2012.04.11 07:14:00 -
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Uppsy Daisy wrote: I counter the OP's argument with a statement: Masternerdguy is possibly the worst poster the eve forums have ever seen.
It is quite an achievement, but true. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2012.04.11 09:05:00 -
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If there is a problem CCP can just increase mining yields. Higher ship costs less pvp more unsubs. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
178
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Posted - 2012.04.11 09:21:00 -
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MadMuppet wrote:Torneach wrote:Or, you know, these nullsec alliances could just build the stuff themselves, thereby circumventing the current economic conditions by setting their own prices.
There is no problem here that couldn't be solved by the playerbase itself. Unless all their miners just took a two weeks, or longer, vacation.
why go on vacation? Makes much more sense to just go on a no sell month.
Is there anything more funny than a "PvP for Dumbies" Drake pilot complaining about his 52m a hull replacement cost? I think not. |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
178
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Posted - 2012.04.11 09:25:00 -
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Katarina Reid wrote:If there is a problem CCP can just increase mining yields. Higher ship costs less pvp more unsubs.
People can just start mining?
Or if there is a super need for more mins, respec the Hulk for a 4th high slot. Or give mining corps a high sec Rorqual |
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Danny John-Peter
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
78
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:04:00 -
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The real Hellcat nerf is that Dual TC Mega Pulse Baddons will no longer be able to hit drakes at there max missile range, if the new planned Drake changes come into effect.
*Weeps* |
Utemetsu
35
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Posted - 2012.04.11 15:38:00 -
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MV=PQ
The removal of bots paved the way for a decreased supply of Minerals, with the same demand for said minerals (and, increased as prices began to climb).
Minerals don't inflate. Their 'value' remains fixed, it is the isk that inflates/deflates, which is dependant on two things: M - The supply of money in a given system, and V - The velocity (or, how much is moving) of the money. Eve Morning Report - Daily Economic News of New Eden www.evemorningreport.themumm.com "I almost pooped my pants." ~ Lord Jita
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Mugged Yougot
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.11 21:15:00 -
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Riley Moore wrote:Corina Jarr wrote:Mineral prices are shooting through the roof because of speculation and folks buying mins up to profit from the very thing they are doing.
I bet 5 PLEX that min prices will go down significantly once the expansion goes live (give or take a few weeks).
People will cash in (or try to) on their huge stockpiles of minerals and then mission runners will pick up the slack by actually salvaging and looting their missions. A few more miners might dust off their ships as well.
In the end, prices will likely only be what they were 2 years ago. If not lower. You do realise supply for some minerals is about to get a massive shaft right? If anything high ends are going to end up higher due to this. Speculation will cause crashes and spikes in the price over the first weeks before and after the patch. They'll eventually balance out as stocks are reduced and supply < demand kicks in causing an increase in price over the following months. If you think ships are expensive now, well my dear, I hope you're stocking up on them, because high end minerals are definitely going to rise another 20-40% at least. I've done well enough speculation on this, the math and logic suggest I'm right. It's also why me, and many traders, put in hundreds of billions in this, even our stocks will deplete eventually as demand for minerals is quite large. Unless this is just a post with intent of manipulate the market and push the prices even further before Crucible is deployed and prices go down again. Would appreciate it if you back up your prognosis with an explanation beyond " I've done well enough speculation on this, the math and logic suggest I'm right.". Just saying :p |
masternerdguy
Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate
153
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Posted - 2012.04.12 18:09:00 -
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Mugged Yougot wrote:Never mind. I was lazy and did not read all of the previous posts thoroughly .
Then after rereading you agree? Things are only impossible until they are not. |
Silas Shaw
Coffee Hub
14
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Posted - 2012.04.12 21:13:00 -
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On reflection, there's some right and wrong here.
Yes, T1 is going to get more expensive (because the bots in dronelands are gone). Yes, T2 is going to get more expensive (because tech supply is limited and overused). No, your thundercats are fine. T3 is purely based on WH goo. Only demand is changing. |
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2012.04.13 03:30:00 -
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Thing X happens to economy .... Players adapt ... Economy adapts to players actions ... Thing X adapts to the new economy.
So whats the problem ? ... That its not possible for a weekend player to burn away few pirate battleships a week doing solo pvp in lowsec ?
Removal of botters was a brilliant thing and I hope CCP keeps hunting the scum that ruined the system from the getgo. This is just system in flux ... waiting to stabilize on the new rules. NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT ! |
Mr Bigwinky
4U Services Inc. Talocan United
194
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Posted - 2012.04.13 08:27:00 -
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What do you mean... People like you?
Also, try not to pass your uneducated opinion off as fact, you'll upset the null-sec pseudo-elite who are dumb enough to believe you. Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself GÖÑ |
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