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masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 127	Posted - 2012.04.08 23:42:00 - [1] - Quote The stealth nerf of nullsec pvp is coming along nicely as mineral prices shoot through the sky. For those of you who are unfamiliar with CCP's nefarious plot to nerf nullsec pvp they are making everything more expensive so that big, effective fleets are no longer economical to field. We can expect the following fleets to gradually go extinct after the next expansion. Hellcats Thundercats Alpha Gangs Supercap Blobs Capital Blobs AHAC Gangs CCP is fixing the economy so that people like you can't field cool ships. This is a stealth nerf of nullsec because they think the way big fleet PVP currently occurs in nullsec is (correctly) different from what they advertise. They want more "diversity" in the average gang so they are making effective gangs too expensive to use. Save the hellcats! Things are only impossible until they are not.
Arsedestroyer Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2012.04.08 23:47:00 - [2] - Quote Dear CCP - can you please make blocked posters disappear from the thread overview?
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 646	Posted - 2012.04.08 23:51:00 - [3] - Quote Mineral prices are shooting through the roof because of speculation and folks buying mins up to profit from the very thing they are doing. I bet 5 PLEX that min prices will go down significantly once the expansion goes live (give or take a few weeks). People will cash in (or try to) on their huge stockpiles of minerals and then mission runners will pick up the slack by actually salvaging and looting their missions. A few more miners might dust off their ships as well. In the end, prices will likely only be what they were 2 years ago. If not lower.
masternerdguy Inner Shadow NightSong Directorate 128	Posted - 2012.04.09 00:07:00 - [4] - Quote Arsedestroyer wrote: Dear CCP - can you please make blocked posters disappear from the thread overview? There's no good reason to block someone. Comes back to get you when they have something important to tell you. Things are only impossible until they are not.
Torneach Hedion University Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2012.04.09 00:15:00 - [5] - Quote Or, you know, these nullsec alliances could just build the stuff themselves, thereby circumventing the current economic conditions by setting their own prices. There is no problem here that couldn't be solved by the playerbase itself.
Xenuria Center Haus New Eden's Industrial Alliance 502	Posted - 2012.04.09 00:16:00 - [6] - Quote Arsedestroyer wrote: Dear CCP - can you please make blocked posters disappear from the thread overview? ^^^^ Also I fail to see what these people are upset about. Nullsec is full of rocks to mine that you can use to make ships with. The Future of GoonSwarm
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline. 71	Posted - 2012.04.09 00:40:00 - [7] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: We can expect the following fleets to gradually go extinct after the next expansion. Hellcats Thundercats Alpha Gangs Supercap Blobs Capital Blobs AHAC Gangs I hope I live to see the day supercapital blobs go extinct. Capital blobs going the way of the dodo would also be nice, but it'll be a cold day in hell before that happens, and cap blobs aren't nearly as bad as supercap blobs.
Aiwha 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda 302	Posted - 2012.04.09 01:48:00 - [8] - Quote TIL CCP has a magic wand that can raise mineral prices. Regards, LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter
MadMuppet Kerguelen Station 236	Posted - 2012.04.09 02:00:00 - [9] - Quote Torneach wrote: Or, you know, these nullsec alliances could just build the stuff themselves, thereby circumventing the current economic conditions by setting their own prices. There is no problem here that couldn't be solved by the playerbase itself. Unless all their miners just took a two weeks, or longer, vacation. I don't always finish my commentary, but when I do
Mara Rinn Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium 1199	Posted - 2012.04.09 03:31:00 - [10] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Comes back to get you when they have something important to tell you. Which means it is perfectly safe to block masternerdguy because nothing he has to say is important, and nothing he says will ever be insightful. The guy can't even master basic economics: how does he expect to wrap his brain around convoluted conspiracy theories?
Jas Dor Republic University Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2012.04.09 03:46:00 - [11] - Quote Torneach wrote: Or, you know, these nullsec alliances could just build the stuff themselves, thereby circumventing the current economic conditions by setting their own prices. There is no problem here that couldn't be solved by the playerbase itself. Um no. Almost all industrial builds in eve fall into a certain range of isk per hour (slow selling stuff sells at a premium). Simply building it themselves will only save 0.0 alliances a relatively fixed amount per ship (this also means that as mineral prices go up per unit margin declines). Basically nothing is going to bring down ship prices but a mineral dump by CCP.
Riley Moore Sentinum Research 413	Posted - 2012.04.09 04:30:00 - [12] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Mineral prices are shooting through the roof because of speculation and folks buying mins up to profit from the very thing they are doing. I bet 5 PLEX that min prices will go down significantly once the expansion goes live (give or take a few weeks). People will cash in (or try to) on their huge stockpiles of minerals and then mission runners will pick up the slack by actually salvaging and looting their missions. A few more miners might dust off their ships as well. In the end, prices will likely only be what they were 2 years ago. If not lower. You do realise supply for some minerals is about to get a massive shaft right? If anything high ends are going to end up higher due to this. Speculation will cause crashes and spikes in the price over the first weeks before and after the patch. They'll eventually balance out as stocks are reduced and supply < demand kicks in causing an increase in price over the following months. If you think ships are expensive now, well my dear, I hope you're stocking up on them, because high end minerals are definitely going to rise another 20-40% at least. I've done well enough speculation on this, the math and logic suggest I'm right. It's also why me, and many traders, put in hundreds of billions in this, even our stocks will deplete eventually as demand for minerals is quite large. Large volumes of highly researched Ammo, drones, charges and ship bpo's. Biggest BPO store in EVE! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=445524#post445524
Tomas Ysidro Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion 13	Posted - 2012.04.09 04:38:00 - [13] - Quote As if ship cost has ever been a factor in nullsec pvp.
Liam Mirren 441	Posted - 2012.04.09 04:38:00 - [14] - Quote The amount of stupid in this thread is heart warming. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org
Vyl Vit Cambio Enterprises 406	Posted - 2012.04.09 05:56:00 - [15] - Quote Okay. Tell me, specifically, HOW CCP is raising prices on the market. What method are they using? Are they going into the data files and changing numbers? How is this being done? Answer this and maybe the OP has a point. Don't answer it, and I can see why you're blocked, OP. However, you go further and claim CCP is "fixing the economy so..." Okay. How are they doing it? Or, is this some mystery thing only CCP knows, and we're benefitting from your rapier like nostril abilities....you smell a rat? Go ahead. Take as much space as you need. How is CCP raising prices on the market? How is CCP "fixing it so" you can't buy these ships? Anyone with any sense has already left town.
MICH00000 The BlackHand Order 7	Posted - 2012.04.09 06:12:00 - [16] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: The stealth nerf of nullsec pvp is coming along nicely as mineral prices shoot through the sky. For those of you who are unfamiliar with CCP's nefarious plot to nerf nullsec pvp they are making everything more expensive so that big, effective fleets are no longer economical to field. We can expect the following fleets to gradually go extinct after the next expansion. Hellcats Thundercats Alpha Gangs Supercap Blobs Capital Blobs AHAC Gangs CCP is fixing the economy so that people like you can't field cool ships. This is a stealth nerf of nullsec because they think the way big fleet PVP currently occurs in nullsec is (correctly) different from what they advertise. They want more "diversity" in the average gang so they are making effective gangs too expensive to use. Save the hellcats! Wtf is a hellcat and wtf is a thundercat?
Florestan Bronstein Ministry of War Amarr Empire 517	Posted - 2012.04.09 06:18:00 - [17] - Quote MICH00000 wrote: Wtf is a hellcat and wtf is a thundercat? hellcat = a certain pulse Abaddon fitting thundercat = a certain heavy missile Tengu fitting
baltec1 1066	Posted - 2012.04.09 06:42:00 - [18] - Quote MadMuppet wrote: Unless all their miners just took a two weeks, or longer, vacation. Not going to happen with mineral prices this good
Darth Gustav Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension 299	Posted - 2012.04.09 06:44:00 - [19] - Quote With mineral inflation CCP buffs tears! Has any other game company managed this innovation before? I was there. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Gorki Andropov Kerensky Initiatives 293	Posted - 2012.04.09 10:16:00 - [20] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: Arsedestroyer wrote: Dear CCP - can you please make blocked posters disappear from the thread overview? There's no good reason to block someone. Comes back to get you when they have something important to tell you. We are still waiting, you poor sap.
Seleia O'Sinnor Drop of Honey 204	Posted - 2012.04.09 10:19:00 - [21] - Quote Market will calm down, like with PI goods. Now the speculants are crawling over each other. I've always been against gun mining. Maybe we all will appreciate the tedious and boring work of the miners(non-botters). Eve community: An angry mob of bright people hunting witches, more torches, more hay forks, growing and growing.
marie claude arcane machine shop 0	Posted - 2012.04.09 15:38:00 - [22] - Quote the op can not be more wrong ccp has always made it clear that they want the players to move into lowsec and null sec. this is a classic mistake made by most mmo owners :trying to control the players. ccp cant stand it they want players to mine and mission only as a means to support a pvp habit. sorry ccp most of us play pve more than anything i know several players who only mine. i refuse to mine its no fun missions are fun. 70% of my time online is doing missions the rest is shuffling pi orders and building pos and sov items. i have no interest in going to low sec where 40 snot nosed kids in gank squads will pwn me. that being said ccp is nerfing mission drops because they hate mission runners with a purple passion. same with the drone poo nerf. they crashed the market by removing npc shuttle sales and the economy has not really been the same since. by nerfing drops they are hoping to get more ppl to mine in low sec. nope i m still not doing it. anyone who says mission runners and incursion fleets make too much isk are nitwits or too lazy to do it themselves.
Tanya Powers Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 986	Posted - 2012.04.09 15:56:00 - [23] - Quote marie claude wrote: Wall of text but I read it. Aside your wall of text: Once you can't play there any more, give a try to null sec. It can be very fun but I'll never say rewarding because you need to be one of these nerds playing all day with several accounts and dozens alts to take real profits, those yeah can pay themselves a Nyx faster than the regular casual in high sec can make isk for another Hulk (granted, one of my mates just did 50bil in a week doing incursions and anoms in null) Most likely you can win decent isk to replace your lost but the risk of loosing it again is just exponential. No bets on what will or will not happen, anyway whatever you do you'll always figure the hard way that older players in eve are privileged no matter the changes, because it's just the way it is. After this if you can't play it or just have no more interest on playing it just take a break, play something else.
IronLemur Apple Construction Inc Northern Associates. 0	Posted - 2012.04.09 15:58:00 - [24] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: The stealth nerf of nullsec pvp is coming along nicely as mineral prices shoot through the sky. For those of you who are unfamiliar with CCP's nefarious plot to nerf nullsec pvp they are making everything more expensive so that big, effective fleets are no longer economical to field. We can expect the following fleets to gradually go extinct after the next expansion. Hellcats Thundercats Alpha Gangs Supercap Blobs Capital Blobs AHAC Gangs CCP is fixing the economy so that people like you can't field cool ships. This is a stealth nerf of nullsec because they think the way big fleet PVP currently occurs in nullsec is (correctly) different from what they advertise. They want more "diversity" in the average gang so they are making effective gangs too expensive to use. Save the hellcats! Good to see nullseccers whine as much as highseccers. Learn2adapt?
Enkryption Intergalactic Pool Boys 8	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:04:00 - [25] - Quote masternerdguy wrote: The stealth nerf of nullsec pvp is coming along nicely as mineral prices shoot through the sky. For those of you who are unfamiliar with CCP's nefarious plot to nerf nullsec pvp they are making everything more expensive so that big, effective fleets are no longer economical to field. We can expect the following fleets to gradually go extinct after the next expansion. Hellcats Thundercats Alpha Gangs Supercap Blobs Capital Blobs AHAC Gangs CCP is fixing the economy so that people like you can't field cool ships. This is a stealth nerf of nullsec because they think the way big fleet PVP currently occurs in nullsec is (correctly) different from what they advertise. They want more "diversity" in the average gang so they are making effective gangs too expensive to use. Save the hellcats! Stop posting. Forever.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 652	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:13:00 - [26] - Quote Riley Moore wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Mineral prices are shooting through the roof because of speculation and folks buying mins up to profit from the very thing they are doing. I bet 5 PLEX that min prices will go down significantly once the expansion goes live (give or take a few weeks). People will cash in (or try to) on their huge stockpiles of minerals and then mission runners will pick up the slack by actually salvaging and looting their missions. A few more miners might dust off their ships as well. In the end, prices will likely only be what they were 2 years ago. If not lower. You do realise supply for some minerals is about to get a massive shaft right? If anything high ends are going to end up higher due to this. Speculation will cause crashes and spikes in the price over the first weeks before and after the patch. They'll eventually balance out as stocks are reduced and supply < demand kicks in causing an increase in price over the following months. If you think ships are expensive now, well my dear, I hope you're stocking up on them, because high end minerals are definitely going to rise another 20-40% at least. I've done well enough speculation on this, the math and logic suggest I'm right. It's also why me, and many traders, put in hundreds of billions in this, even our stocks will deplete eventually as demand for minerals is quite large. Demand is already much higher than it will be after the change. Yes prices of Zyd and Mega are going to be higher than they were before the announcement. However, at their current prices (which are still rising as people continue to stock up), they will be in a chaotic state once people drop their mins, and then after that settles they will still recover to less than whatever they peak at before the change. And the other mins (normal HS stuff) will likely be close to what it was prior to the announcement, instead of the inflation we see now. I'll gladly eat my hat if I turn out to be wrong.
Xiozor League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda 32	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:15:00 - [27] - Quote Back in 2006 Megathrons and Apocs (Staple fleetships) were 120m for the hull alone, and even with less ISK making opportunity than we have today, we still managed to field 300-500 man fleets with a 100 man dreadnought ****train. Prices have a loooong way to rise before they can make 0.0 more interesting.
Mr LaForge Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 271	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:30:00 - [28] - Quote Corina Jarr wrote: Riley Moore wrote: Corina Jarr wrote: Mineral prices are shooting through the roof because of speculation and folks buying mins up to profit from the very thing they are doing. I bet 5 PLEX that min prices will go down significantly once the expansion goes live (give or take a few weeks). People will cash in (or try to) on their huge stockpiles of minerals and then mission runners will pick up the slack by actually salvaging and looting their missions. A few more miners might dust off their ships as well. In the end, prices will likely only be what they were 2 years ago. If not lower. You do realise supply for some minerals is about to get a massive shaft right? If anything high ends are going to end up higher due to this. Speculation will cause crashes and spikes in the price over the first weeks before and after the patch. They'll eventually balance out as stocks are reduced and supply < demand kicks in causing an increase in price over the following months. If you think ships are expensive now, well my dear, I hope you're stocking up on them, because high end minerals are definitely going to rise another 20-40% at least. I've done well enough speculation on this, the math and logic suggest I'm right. It's also why me, and many traders, put in hundreds of billions in this, even our stocks will deplete eventually as demand for minerals is quite large. Demand is already much higher than it will be after the change. Yes prices of Zyd and Mega are going to be higher than they were before the announcement. However, at their current prices (which are still rising as people continue to stock up), they will be in a chaotic state once people drop their mins, and then after that settles they will still recover to less than whatever they peak at before the change. And the other mins (normal HS stuff) will likely be close to what it was prior to the announcement, instead of the inflation we see now. I'll gladly eat my hat if I turn out to be wrong. Ketchup or Mustard? Stuff Goes here
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 653	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:31:00 - [29] - Quote Hard choice there... though definitely some relish.
stoicfaux 933	Posted - 2012.04.09 16:55:00 - [30] - Quote When do ship insurance prices get adjusted to reflect current market mineral values? Is that an automatic process or does CCP need to manually do that? You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.

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